I don't see c6h anywhere, and that looks like the other motherboard that was referenced.
So, for those that know, can you just link to the product you recommend at newegg ? or any other well-know site, like amazom. For memory and motherboard.
I don't see c6h anywhere, and that looks like the other motherboard that was referenced.
So, for those that know, can you just link to the product you recommend at newegg ? or any other well-know site, like amazom. For memory and motherboard.
Looks like those would be Samsung chips under the heatspreaders. I think most (all?) G.Skill TridentZ of higher speeds are.
RAM speeds will currently depend on motherboard, BIOS/EFI version, # of DIMMs used.
For 2x8GB I imagine you should be able to run them at 3000 or close to it on most boards by the time you get the components given that there are very frequent BIOS updates right now...
I got its close cousin: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820232202
NewEgg is funny -- it's telling me the current price is $40 off, but I got mine at a $30 discount, at $40 less than their current sale price. RAM pricing seems bad atm.
If I can find a motherboard, I'll let you know if it works. I don't see any hope of getting a c6h before St. Patty's Day at this point, but I convinced Fry's online that they had a GB board in stock. We'll see if that holds true when I go to pick up (hopefully finding a CPU will be easier).
My build is about 90% complete (have to install the liquid cooler when it comes in, as well as the LED strip and window for the case), but it's up and running. It's a bit of a hodgepodge of parts at the moment and I have to clean up some of the cabling later, but so far it looks like all the hardware is at least working enough to be detected (always worried about DOA parts with a new build).
If the 390 looks weird it's because I used this thread by lehtv as a guide to put some fresh thermal paste and 2 x 120mm Cougar Turbine fans on it after removing the shroud. The unsleeved cabling is ugly, but I'll be switching to a 1070 soon, though, I just happened to have 2 of these cards on hand (formerly used for ethereum mining). 4 pack of Cougar Turbine fans is dirt cheap on Newegg.
Currently setting up Windows to test stability and check load temps. I really like the LED error code/temp display on the motherboard, by the way, very useful.
I see that G.Skill have announced Flare X memory kits that work at 3200 14-14-14-34 with all four slots populated and am now wondering is there is anything actually physically different about this product than the 3200 14-14-14-34 Trident-Z I have. Not sure if I should return the Trident memory and hold out for the Flare X kits now.
Crosshair VI Hero is probably out of stock. You may be "stuck" looking for the Taichi or Gaming V, or the MSI board. I haven't seen much noise about the Biostar board. It might be really good for all I know.
As for which G.Skill has Samsung, it's pretty much the low-latency (CAS14) DDR4-3200 and higher. Trident-Z is more likely to have it than Ripjaws V, though some of the Ripjaws V has it too. B-die is in 2x8Gb configs. Sometimes you find Samsung E-die in 2x4Gb configs (again, the higher-speed stuff). Some lower-speed stuff has Samsung D-die. Then you have Hynix AFR/MFR in some of the low-latency, lower-clocked stuff. Like uh I heard someone report Hynix in some Corsair Dominator Platinum DDR4-2400 CAS10, I think?
So on an unrelated note, I talked to Ryan at Amazon who was basically useless. My 1800x gets here Monday (faster than expected), but my C6H ain't even shipped yet. Typical restocking times 1-2 weeks, great. I called him out on the pre-order fiasco and he went full-on robot, saying "well technically we said we'd email you blah blah blah" what's the point of a pre-order if you have no inventory discipline?
How many boards did they even ship? Did anyone who ordered after me (the 19th) get theirs before me?
Only reason I pre-ordered on Amazon is that NewEgg stopped pre-orders pretty early in the day.
Stupid Amazon. It may be a month before I get to finally build this thing.
I will say this, it looks like Gigabyte's UEFI is the most solid as of right now. If they ever launch the Gaming 7 it might be "the board to get" depending on how long it takes Asus to iron out UEFI/microcode problems.
The mobo OEMs screwed the pooch on this launch, as did a number of e-tailers.
DrMrLordX, I drove to the St. Davids PA Microcenter this afternoon when I heard there was an open box MSI Titanium X370 mb only to find it was "bricked" per the one tech who has been playing with Ryzen. I explained my Asus Crosshair Vi is back ordered and he suggested buying an Asus Prime B350-Plus to put my Ryzen 1800x in. I had a $50 gift card so after tx and 2 year warranty I was only out @$66 so I bought it.
I had trouble with my custom wter cooling sytem, it wouldmn't boot so I ripped it appart and used a Corsair H110GT to cool it. Guess what? sucker works great with 2 RX480s in CF. I've given up on OCing until the Asus Crosshair VI ships.
Had my first experience with a M.2 2280 NVe device BOY are they fast!
Just completed my build. A few observations/thought so far.
-At first, my 3000 MHz RAM would only work at 2133 MHz. Trying to change it to even 2400 MHz just caused the system to reset with the message "Overclock failed!". However, after I selected Asus OCCP (or similar abbreviation, not in BIOS now so can't check), it changed the memory to 2993 MHz, automatically increased the RAM voltage to 1.35V and automatically adjusted some timings. The system then booted with RAM at 2933 MHz and seems stable so far (no memory stress tests done yet).
-Temps are completely bugged currently. With the original BIOS, it showed an idle temp of 34C in BIOS, which seems about right (maybe a little high?). After BIOS update, it shows 56C idle. However running stress tests like AIDA64 FPU, Prime95 etc., it climbs to about 72C, which seems fairly normal. So I think the idle temps are just bugged at the moment.
-If you select High Performance energy saving profile in Windows, you can see in CPU-Z that it still undervolts the CPU, as low as 0.3xx V. However, it never downclocks the CPU to less than 3.6 GHz. I'm going to check with a power meter at the plug whether there's any actual difference in power consumption between balanced (which downclocks the CPU) and High Performance. I think SenseMI works with clock gating rather than actual frequency adjustments.
-I can't seem to find a way to turn off HPET. Supposedly doing this improves performance with Ryzen, so I would like to have the option.
DrMrLordX, I drove to the St. Davids PA Microcenter this afternoon when I heard there was an open box MSI Titanium X370 mb only to find it was "bricked" per the one tech who has been playing with Ryzen.
I expect similar problems elsewhere. Would like to know more about the top-end MSI and Biostar boards, since getting the C6H seems to not be happening anytime soon. I know I'll regret trying for the Gigabyte board, and with all the noise about RAM speed on Ryzen, I'm not convinced the Taichi is the way to go, either.
Where is the BIOS did you adjust the multiplier?
I am doing a build with a Ryzen 7 1700 and an Asus prime b350 plus, and for the life of me cannot find where to change the cpu frequency.
1 select advanced in the bottom
2 at cpu core ratio simply click and write 38!
3 at vddcr cpu voltage select ofset mode + and use +- to go to eg 1.375v (set ofset to 0.1875 on 1700 non x)
Gives 3800 oc for me.
Let me know if you need help.
What are you guys using to monitor temps? Ryzen Master and the motherboard are giving me a ~20C higher reading than HWMonitor and AIDA64 Extreme. I've only moderately upped the clock speed for now until my liquid cooler AIO comes in.
EDIT: Currently running at 3.6GHz @ 1.28 V, load temp using AIDA system stability test is ~77C (Ryzen Master/Mobo LED) and ~55C in HWMonitor and AIDA.
So I downgraded from the 0504 to the 0502 BIOS for my Prime X370 and idle temps dropped from 56C to 34C and full-load temps dropped from ~74C to 58C.
I really don't know which temps are accurate, if any. I mean the 0502 idle temp seems about right, but the full load temp seems too low.
I'm using the Phanteks PH-TC14PE, which is supposed to be roughly equivalent to the NH-D14. I'm wondering whether I might be suffering from the AM4 incompatibility, since my cooler uses the stock AMD backplate? http://imgur.com/a/HLjc4
However the washers do look flush to me as you can see in the photo.
So I've pretty much decided on what I'm doing now. I'll be getting a 1700X, and as I can't go much longer without a desktop I've decided against waiting for ITX boards to show up. I'll hold off on getting a new case too, as I then have to reasess this a bit.
My only question now: is there any reason why I shouldn't get the Gigabyte GA-AB350M-Gaming 3? It seems like a good board, and it has everything I want (within reason).
-some VRM cooling
-PWM+voltage controlled fan headers (although I'd love for there to be four of these, three are sufficient)
-(seemingly) good fan control software
-4 DIMM slots
And in general seems like a well-rounded board. I have zero experience with Gigabyte motherboards, but the fact that it has the same warranty length (3y) as the Asus C6H is nice.
The audio solution is rather rubbish, but I use an external dac/amp for my headphones, so I don't care. It'll only be used for my (already pretty bad) Logitech 2.1 speakers. Realtek ethernet doesn't bother me either. I'd like to have integrated WiFi/BT, but I don't actually need it, and no mATX boards have that yet.
The only thing I don't know anything about is the VRM setup. I won't be OCing much, but in time I might set up an OC profile at ~3.9 or something (depending on the silicon lottery, I guess) for when it might be needed. If so, it'll only be activated when needed, not run 24/7.
The rest of the build:
Case: Fractal Define R4 Black (owned) PSU: EVGA Supernova G2 750W (owned) RAM: 16GB (2x8GB) G.Skill TridentZ 3200GT/s c16 (in the mail) GPU: Asus Radeon R9 Fury X (owned) OS: Windows 10 Pro (owned) OS drive: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (owned) Other storage: Samsung 850 Evo 500GB (games, owned), HDD (either 750GB Samsung or 1TB WD, can't remember which, owned) Cooling: Custom CPU+GPU water loop. Some parts already here, others on their way, just missing a CPU block and 240 rad. Until everything is in place, I'll be using a Hyper 212 Evo (as soon as the compatibility kit shows up).
CPU block: If I can get it and it fits AM4, EK-Supremacy MX black acetal. Otherwise, idk. GPU block: EK-FC R9 Fury X acetal+nickel (owned). Rads: 120mm (rear exhaust, owned) +240mm (top exhaust), probably EK-Coolstream PE 240. Fans: 3x 1850rpm Gentle Typhoon 120mm (owned). Was thinking of linking the 120 fan to CPU temp and the 240 fans to the GPU temp, but with only 3 fan headers I'll have to rethink that. Either I'll run the intake fans off the PSU with a low-noise adapter, or run all three GTs off one header. If there are any good USB-based fan controllers out there, I'll consider that. We'll see. Intake fans: 2x Noctua NF-A14 FLX (owned). Pump+res: EK-XRES 100 SPC-60 MX PWM (added a ported top, owned). Tubing: EK "maintenance free" black tubing (in the mail). Anti-kink springs where needed (in the mail). Coolant: distilled water w/whatever I need to avoid algae and corrosion. Fittings: Barrow barb fittings (owned) + some Alphacool 45 and 90 degree bends (in the mail).
Now I just hope I can squeeze everything into the R4 as hoped, as radiator clearance is a definite issue in this case.
Edit: another argument for the Gigabyte board is that while all mATX AM4 boards are out of stock from every retailer here in Norway, the Gaming 3 is expected to be back in stock next week.
I am also looking at a mATX board, and have considered the gigabyte one. I know that as of recently, at least on the Intel side, Gigabytes UEFI design is known for being rather meh and cumbersome. This may have changed with AM4, idk. I have a Gigabtyte GA-X58UD5, I do know they made some of the best X58 boards, so it may be time for them to shine again.
I also like the look of the MSI B350 mortar, but I have no idea when that will be available.
That one is definitely an option (one of three on my "short list", in fact). Four fan headers is a clear plus. But only one store has an arrival date for it, and that's "expected" arrival on the 20th. Which is quite the wait. Oh, and the lack of USB 3.1G2 is a bit of a bummer. Though not a deal breaker by any means.
DrMrLordX, I drove to the St. Davids PA Microcenter this afternoon when I heard there was an open box MSI Titanium X370 mb only to find it was "bricked" per the one tech who has been playing with Ryzen. I explained my Asus Crosshair Vi is back ordered and he suggested buying an Asus Prime B350-Plus to put my Ryzen 1800x in. I had a $50 gift card so after tx and 2 year warranty I was only out @$66 so I bought it.
It's possible it isn't bricked. My Titanium X370 wouldn't boot after enabling AMP (RAM is listed at 3200MHz, which what it jumped to automatically with AMP). Cleared CMOS and set the RAM to 2666 and it's working fine now. But that's assuming the tech didn't try clearing CMOS, which I expect he probably did.
My ram setting is currently is 2667 c16 17 17 17 35
If i change tras from 35 to 36 it will not boot. Yep funky stuff. Still havnt found the 2933 settings that booted fine. This bios really needs some fixing.
The only thing I don't know anything about is the VRM setup. I won't be OCing much, but in time I might set up an OC profile at ~3.9 or something (depending on the silicon lottery, I guess) for when it might be needed. If so, it'll only be activated when needed, not run 24/7.
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Thanks. Going from the datasheet of the PWM regulator, it's a 4+3 setup? That sounds a bit low, although it of course doesn't tell us the specs of each phase. Any idea if the MSI B350 Mortar is better?
Edit: hold up. From the placement of the EPS connector, that's clearly not the GA-AB350M-Gaming 3. Power delivery looks similar, though.
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