AMD RYZEN Builders Thread

[NesuD]

Asus has the cheapest X370 board in the Prime, but it feel s very "cut down" in terms of BIOS features. Memory support isn't great due to the lack of a DRAM Boot Voltage among other things. It might have the worst memory support of all X370 boards - Only 2 types of RAM are certified for 3200, and the vast majority of RAM is only certified for 2133 with this board.

So if you can spend the extra $40 for the Taichi, I think it's worth it. The C6H seems a bit overpriced for what it is. It's not like you get more PCI-E lanes or anything like that, since it's still the X370 chipset.

I have the prime and I agree with your assesment. The Memory support is is very likely the worst of the x370 boards. I had to move on to the 14-14-14-34 Trident Z RGB modules to get good performing ram. Ended up spending everything I had saved and more by buying the Prime in the first place. No complaints about the board however with the new ram. So far it loves that Trident Z Ram.

Ok I had a Brain cramp and said i was using Flare X when in reality I am using Trident Z. My apoligies I have edited the post for accuracy. Feel free to unlike the post those who liked it.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

Any performance difference between 2x16 and 4x8? Is it better to populate all of the slots? Or have more or less chips per dimm?

Rule of thumb is the less chips (ranks) you have on the memory channel, the higher you can go in frequency. On the other hand AMDs memory controllers really (I mean really) like dual rank DIMMs, so there is no perfect solution. Use what fits your situation.

 

[IEC]

I have the prime and I agree with your assesment. The Memory support is is very likely the worst of the x370 boards. I had to move on to the 14-14-14-34 Trident Flare X LED modules to get good performing ram. Ended up spending everything I had saved and more by buying the Prime in the first place. No complaints about the board however with the new ram. So far it loves that Flare X Ram.

RGBLEDOMG? I couldn't tell you had LEDs because I was blinded by how many colors you have in your sig! Help my poor eyes out here!

 

[JimmiG]

I have the prime and I agree with your assesment. The Memory support is is very likely the worst of the x370 boards. I had to move on to the 14-14-14-34 Trident Flare X LED modules to get good performing ram. Ended up spending everything I had saved and more by buying the Prime in the first place. No complaints about the board however with the new ram. So far it loves that Flare X Ram.

Same here, started with the LPX 3000 and got them to 2933, but not without cold boot problems. Switched to the LPX 3600's, which are one of only two memory kits certified for 3200 with this board according to their QVL. The RAM cost more than the board itself.
http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/SocketAM4/PRIME_X370-PRO/PRIME_X370-PRO_Memory_QVL_20170406.PDF
Quite a depressing read, that QVL.

 

[Malogeek]

And what's worse is that the AGESA 1.0.0.4a for the X370-Pro ruined RAM support for non-Samsung b-die users. Those of us that were running 2933 now can't post past 2400.

 

[w3rd]

Rule of thumb is the less chips (ranks) you have on the memory channel, the higher you can go in frequency. On the other hand AMDs memory controllers really (I mean really) like dual rank DIMMs, so there is no perfect solution. Use what fits your situation.

What do you mean: AMD's memory controllers "really" like dual-rank DIMMs..? Can you explain..?

 

[EXCellR8]

my BIOS needs work too, 1000a still doesn't allow my mem to run full speed. and it's Sammy B

 

[NesuD]

RGBLEDOMG? I couldn't tell you had LEDs because I was blinded by how many colors you have in your sig! Help my poor eyes out here!

Mission accomplished!

 

[NesuD]

Same here, started with the LPX 3000 and got them to 2933, but not without cold boot problems. Switched to the LPX 3600's, which are one of only two memory kits certified for 3200 with this board according to their QVL. The RAM cost more than the board itself.
http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/SocketAM4/PRIME_X370-PRO/PRIME_X370-PRO_Memory_QVL_20170406.PDF
Quite a depressing read, that QVL.

Honestly the only reason I ordered the Prime was because it was literally the only thing available when i went looking one day. Ordered and 10 minutes later it was out of stock again. I wasn't my first choice but i didn't want to wait a couple weeks and play the in stock out of stock lottery so when i saw it there i grabbed it.

 

[Rifter]

And what's worse is that the AGESA 1.0.0.4a for the X370-Pro ruined RAM support for non-Samsung b-die users. Those of us that were running 2933 now can't post past 2400.

Yeah they really gotta get their shit together with the next bios release, im back to the old version for now the new bios is pure crap.

 

[Ranulf]

Asus has the cheapest X370 board in the Prime, but it feel s very "cut down" in terms of BIOS features. Memory support isn't great due to the lack of a DRAM Boot Voltage among other things. It might have the worst memory support of all X370 boards - Only 2 types of RAM are certified for 3200, and the vast majority of RAM is only certified for 2133 with this board.

So if you can spend the extra $40 for the Taichi, I think it's worth it. The C6H seems a bit overpriced for what it is. It's not like you get more PCI-E lanes or anything like that, since it's still the X370 chipset.

Thanks for the replies guys. I've been leaning towards the Taichi or Gigabyte (seems like most of what I have in the past 5 years is either asrock or gigabyte), price has me shying away from the Asus CH6. Ram wise I'm debating between getting RGB for the lulz or not. Not sure I want to pay the price for those. Either way it has to be stuff that can run at 3200 or better.

 

[NesuD]

Thanks for the replies guys. I've been leaning towards the Taichi or Gigabyte (seems like most of what I have in the past 5 years is either asrock or gigabyte), price has me shying away from the Asus CH6. Ram wise I'm debating between getting RGB for the lulz or not. Not sure I want to pay the price for those. Either way it has to be stuff that can run at 3200 or better.

Oh the lulz are awesome . However at least with theTrident Z the aura control features on the Asus boards make it pretty good. Can't speak for the G.Skill software. I've read some scary stories about their own software killing the modules.

 

[Eric1987]

Would the 1070's mine better? Last I checked AMD hardware was faster at mining.

 

[ScottAD]

Would the 1070's mine better? Last I checked AMD hardware was faster at mining.

This is about the Ryzen CPU not AMD GPU.

That said, your mining experience on AMD is better because the architecture of the platform aligns with that specific purpose. Run RX480's for mining. Price is dropping since the RX580 is out.

 

[Crono]

Would the 1070's mine better? Last I checked AMD hardware was faster at mining.

The 1070 is on par with or close to the 470/480 for ethereum mining, from what I can tell going off hash rates people have posted online. It's not cost effective to get them solely for mining (the RX 470 - I have a few of them mining, already - is the most cost effective, or possibly the 570 if undervolting brings it power draw down enough).

I'm looking at 1070s because I want them for gaming and 4k displays (soon), and the mining would be just be a side benefit whenever I'm not using the PC. I'm asking here about the 1070s in SLI because I'm curious as to whether the performance is limited much pairing it with an 8 core or 6 core Ryzen CPU as moonbogg's thread raised the concern.

I would have preferred AMD for this build, but the 480/580 isn't much of an upgrade over the 390, and I'm considering SLI 1070s over a single 1080/1080Ti card for flexibility (can always take out one card to use in another build, which I often do).

I'll likely pair the Ryzen 5 1600 with Vega, depending on how it looks. The RX 500 series is a disappointment, but it was an expected rebranding.

 

[hotstocks]

My high performance plan cpu options just dissapeared in power options??? Is that because I am overclocked and all cores are running 100% all the time? It is just weird I have never in 10 years seen that cpu % option just not there. Is there any way to get it back or is it normal? My overclocked Intel chips always had it there, and I had it there when Ryzen was stock I think.

 

[JimmiG]

My high performance plan cpu options just dissapeared in power options??? Is that because I am overclocked and all cores are running 100% all the time? It is just weird I have never in 10 years seen that cpu % option just not there. Is there any way to get it back or is it normal? My overclocked Intel chips always had it there, and I had it there when Ryzen was stock I think.

Silly question, but did you try clicking the little arrow to show more power plans?

 

[DrMrLordX]

What do you mean: AMD's memory controllers "really" like dual-rank DIMMs..? Can you explain..?

It means if you have dual-rank DIMMS at DDR4-2666 vs single-rank DIMMs at the same speed/timings, you get more performance from the dual-rank DIMMs. But it's tricky getting dual-rank DIMMs to run at high clockspeeds. A few have gotten DDR4-3200 with dual-rank 2x16GB DIMMs, but that list of people is rather small.

 

[Crumpet]

It means if you have dual-rank DIMMS at DDR4-2666 vs single-rank DIMMs at the same speed/timings, you get more performance from the dual-rank DIMMs. But it's tricky getting dual-rank DIMMs to run at high clockspeeds. A few have gotten DDR4-3200 with dual-rank 2x16GB DIMMs, but that list of people is rather small.

I have an unsupported 4 stick 3200 kit, but it still runs at the advertised 2x dual channel 2666, and at the advertised timings of 16/16/16/16/36
(I'm waiting to see if they'll end up supported in the May update before I go buying a new dual channel kt)

 

[grimpr]

First I changed the Maximum power state from 90% to 100% to disable frequency scaling (using the standard Windows 10 power plan settings panel).

Then I enabled Core Parking:

Powercfg -setacvalueindex scheme_current sub_processor bc5038f7-23e0-4960-96da-33abaf5935ec 0

Powercfg -setactive scheme_current

Or use a program like Bitsum ParkControl:

Maximum or Minimum? Because Maximum is already at 100% on the AMD Ryzen Balanced power plan.

 

[plopke]

The latest for your board should be F6. I found F5 to be unstable at any DDR speed above 2400 personally. Also, the dual BIOS on that board would trigger occasionally with no rhyme or reason to it on the initial F2.
http://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-AB350-Gaming-3-rev-10#support-dl

Don't even have any special ram 2400 16CL but installed F6 now , and it back to "normal"behaviour which is like instant booting into windows even with quick boot is disabled , no post screen what so ever starting to wonder if the option there is not reverted, gigabyte has some cleaning up to do,because had only SVM enabled and thats it(which should have been default enabled anyway), that plus sometimes a weird issue on USB charging my phone. Time for gigabyte to clean up the bios i would say.

UPDATE same problem happend again , starting to wonder if it is a usb thing , because i unplug my steamcontroller wireless dongle and it stop the weird bios screen and boots ....

UPDATE 2 well no clue anymore , it is all back to normal , only thing i can think off the bios was thinking it was supposed to bios Q-flash from USB, maybe i should thinker with disabling/enabling some the usb legacy things.

 

[IEC]

It's not just you, probably. The Gigabyte BIOSes are particularly buggy, IMO.

 

[hotstocks]

Of course I looked for other power plan options. In all of them the CPU option % is just gone. Maybe because I am overclocked to 4ghz it doesn't show because it doesn't matter, the cpu is always at 4ghz on all 8 cores.

 

[hotstocks]

Of course I looked for other power plan options. In all of them the CPU option % is just gone. Maybe because I am overclocked to 4ghz it doesn't show because it doesn't matter, the cpu is always at 4ghz on all 8 cores.

 

[Malogeek]

Of course I looked for other power plan options. In all of them the CPU option % is just gone. Maybe because I am overclocked to 4ghz it doesn't show because it doesn't matter, the cpu is always at 4ghz on all 8 cores.

It will always display 4Ghz but the cores do switch to lower power states internally. You still have some power saving features when overclocked.