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DrMrLordX

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AGESA 1.0.0.6 continues to bring interesting surprises.

After wasting a lot of time trying to get DDR4-3600 stable (not happening yet; I can get it to run almost everything except y-cruncher), I went back to the drawing board and decided to see what kind of subtimings AMD gave me using Ryzen Master to set DDR4-3200 14-14-14-32 (actually I went for 28 this time) as I had in the past. I went through my old routine, booted it up, confirmed that it was working, and then took a look in the UEFI to see what was going on.

Curiously the UEFI was showing the current timings/subtimings that had been set by Ryzen Master, but it was showing the DIMM's XMP settings as what was currently set in the UEFI. For example, it showed CAS/CL as 14 but the config field was set to 17. Booting into Windows asserted the Ryzen Master settings provided I changed nothing in the UEFI. Changing settings in the UEFI apparently "cancelled out" whatever Ryzen Master was trying to do. It did not overwrite settings changed by hand.

I can go back and record all those settings and post them here if you want to see exactly what Ryzen Master and the older pre-1.0.0.6 AGESA revisions were doing when setting the DDR4-3200 strap.

So anyway, I got 3200 stable (preditably) without changing anything. Using 1.4v vDIMM and 1.175v SoC voltage (LLC level 3) I got DDR4-3333 working with the exact same timings as what Ryzen Master set for DDR4-3200 14-14-14-28. Cool! AIDA64 reports ~52.8 GB/s read and 69.2 ns latency. Then I ran Firestrike to compare it to my Firestrike score from when I was running DDR4-3600 18-19-19-36 (1T and 2T; it made no difference at all).

The main thing that jumped out at me was the combined score. When running DDR4-3600, I only had the CPU at 3.6 GHz, and I got a combined score of over 5200 using a stock Powercolor 390. When running the CPU at 4 GHz with RAM at DDR4-3333 14-14-14-28, I got a combined score of ~4900 with the same Powercolor 390.

It seems to me that fabric speed is a major limiter of combined score performance in Firestrike.
 

krumme

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So, I started tinkering with my build a bit more. I'm running a 1600X on an MSI B350M Gaming Pro, and have successfully got my cpu running at 4 GHz @ 1.3v with LLC @ mode4. G.skill Ripjaws V are at DDR4-3200 with timings at 14-14-14-34 @ 1.35v with 1T command rate. It's Prime95 stable so far!
I do still have plans to get a 1700, or 1700X, and a Taichi at some point though. Or I might just keep this and wait for Vega.

So far so good though!
Damn nice cpu oc at that voltage. Impressive.
Now just leave it and dont thinker with it any more.....
Except perhaps 3466 c14 with new bios....
And...
 

Reinvented

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Damn nice cpu oc at that voltage. Impressive.
Now just leave it and dont thinker with it any more.....
Except perhaps 3466 c14 with new bios....
And...

Initially I WAS going to get a 1700 or 1700X, but I wanted something immediately. I do want to try a 1700, and see if I can get roughly the same results. I'm not sure what my next upgrade path would be, but I really like my system so far. I mentioned before that I am hoping the bios updates will help fix performance issues I've been seeing on my nvme ssd and more explanations of bios options.

I don't plan on pushing the ram any further, as I probably won't see much of a gain at least for this cpu.

Edit: I started firing up some of the programs like CPU-Z and even some of my games. CPU-Z reports my CPU running at 2.2 GHz, and same with Ryzen Master. My games feel a bit sluggish, and there's a bit of a fps drop. Is my RX480 8GB becoming a bottleneck now?
 
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krumme

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AGESA 1.0.0.6 continues to bring interesting surprises.

After wasting a lot of time trying to get DDR4-3600 stable (not happening yet; I can get it to run almost everything except y-cruncher), I went back to the drawing board and decided to see what kind of subtimings AMD gave me using Ryzen Master to set DDR4-3200 14-14-14-32 (actually I went for 28 this time) as I had in the past. I went through my old routine, booted it up, confirmed that it was working, and then took a look in the UEFI to see what was going on.

Curiously the UEFI was showing the current timings/subtimings that had been set by Ryzen Master, but it was showing the DIMM's XMP settings as what was currently set in the UEFI. For example, it showed CAS/CL as 14 but the config field was set to 17. Booting into Windows asserted the Ryzen Master settings provided I changed nothing in the UEFI. Changing settings in the UEFI apparently "cancelled out" whatever Ryzen Master was trying to do. It did not overwrite settings changed by hand.

I can go back and record all those settings and post them here if you want to see exactly what Ryzen Master and the older pre-1.0.0.6 AGESA revisions were doing when setting the DDR4-3200 strap.

So anyway, I got 3200 stable (preditably) without changing anything. Using 1.4v vDIMM and 1.175v SoC voltage (LLC level 3) I got DDR4-3333 working with the exact same timings as what Ryzen Master set for DDR4-3200 14-14-14-28. Cool! AIDA64 reports ~52.8 GB/s read and 69.2 ns latency. Then I ran Firestrike to compare it to my Firestrike score from when I was running DDR4-3600 18-19-19-36 (1T and 2T; it made no difference at all).

The main thing that jumped out at me was the combined score. When running DDR4-3600, I only had the CPU at 3.6 GHz, and I got a combined score of over 5200 using a stock Powercolor 390. When running the CPU at 4 GHz with RAM at DDR4-3333 14-14-14-28, I got a combined score of ~4900 with the same Powercolor 390.

It seems to me that fabric speed is a major limiter of combined score performance in Firestrike.
What is Aida reporting of latency for the ram at 3600?
 

DrMrLordX

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What is Aida reporting of latency for the ram at 3600?

69.5 or so. Bandwidth was slightly higher at around 53.5 GB/s

edit: another bit of information with no relation to the above reply: I finally got around to running the Unigine 2.0 Superposition benchmark.

The minfps of Superposition with 4 GHz CPU clock, DDR4-3333 14-14-14-28-1T is 53.41 using my default desktop resolution of 1600x1200 and all other benchmark settings stock.

In contrast, Unigine Heaven at the same resolution (all other settings stock) produces an minfps of 41.1

Superposition had a maxfps in the mid 60s and an avg fps of around 63, while Heaven had a max fps of around 216 and an avg fps of 116 or so. Very interesting how the newer software is much more stable on a Ryzen system.
 
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Valantar

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Nice. It does exist. Let us know the results.
Will do. Good thing I have flexible work, that means I can spend most of tomorrow setting this up (including the custom water loop). Kind of funny when the last component you're missing for a PC build is a funnel I just hope very very much that I can fit the rad in the top of my Fractal R4. I won't be able to replace the case for a while yet (did anyone mention that custom loop water cooling is really expensive?), so I'll have to run it in there for a few months, no matter how silly it will look. I just want to avoid using the rad as an intake if at all possible.
 
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There is also the possibility that your stick has been SPD corrupted by either Asus Aura or Gskill's LED software rather than the stick being completely dead/bad:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1624603/rog-crosshair-vi-overclocking-thread/17660_20#post_26125524

If this is the case, a complete uninstall and scrubbing of Aura and/or Gskills LED app from your machine THEN using Thaiphoon Burner to re-write the SPD of the RAM stick in question may help avoid the potential RMA difficulties.

Jesus, there are lots of complainings about this!

But mine is not RGB and I didn't install Aura SW.

Now the questions is: is it possible to corrupt SPD with other factors? I will try to find.

Thanks!
 

DrMrLordX

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Checking the stick with Thaiphoon Burner wouldn't hurt. There might be something wrong that can be reprogrammed.
 

Pick2

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It could be static damage to that stick , maybe you could review static precautions before replacement.
 

Uhtrinity

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Started a build about a month ago. Picked up a 1700 for a really good price on Jet, some Mushkin 2666 "Ryzen compatible" ram from Newegg. Started with a Biostar x370 board then a Asrock x370 SLI/AC Killer. Both had issues where the system would power on, bit no post beeps. The Asrock board would just cycle off then on about every 30 - 45 seconds. Finally figured out it was the ram. Also, verified that by default the post beeps are disabled on the Asrock board. Kind of pointless if you can't post into bios to turn it on. Not sure why the Biostar did post beep.

Picked up some Asrock approved A Data 2400 ram (dual rank, CAS 2T), 2 X 8GB. reviews show this ram getting to over 3000 on Intel boards. System is finally up and running. So far I can't get anything faster than 2400 on Ram, but was able to lower memory timings from (16-16-16-39) to (13-13-13-26) at 1.25 v. I had it at 12-12-12-24, but while it passed Prime 95 for hours webpages in chrome would crash almost instantly. Everything else seemed fine.

I have taken the CPU up to 3.9 Ghz at 1.4 v, but temps are a little high (Cooler Master T4). Stable at 3.8 Ghz at 1.36 volts, peak temps at 65 - 70C. Backed it off to 3.725 Ghz @ 1.3volts. This allows cool n quiet to operate. Any speed higher disables cool n quiet. I have also seen a bug where the core is set to 3800, but will stay at 1.5 Ghz and .8v cpu core. Keeping the CPU speed at just a bit over 3.7 GHZ consistently works. Runs at 1.5GHZ @ ~.8v with spikes on each core for web browsing, gaming about half way in between and ramps upto to full speed on all cores @1.3v for video encoding or similar tasks. I've always liked to keep cool n quiet functional, did the same thing on my overclocked FX 8320 @ 4 GHz. Prime 95 stable for over 8 hours. Also, this system encodes almost twice as fast as my 8320. Looking forward to the next bios update to see if I can push ram speed up some.
 

VirtualLarry

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Still waiting on my ASRock AB350M Pro4 mobo to arrive from Newegg on ebay. It shipped from Cali., and I'm on the East Coast, and they evidently shipped it via truck, and it missed the delivery before the long weekend, so I'm still waiting, sigh.
Got the CPU, RAM, and a case and PSU, SSDs, optical drives, etc., now I just need a mobo.

Was tempted to order another Ryzen 5 CPU, either a 1400 for $149.99 FS ($20 cheaper than Newegg, from refurbforless on ebay), or a 1500X for $169.99 (again, $20 cheaper than Newegg, also from refurbforless).

That Biostar AM4 ITX X370 board looks sweet, btw. Contemplating that, or maybe a Gigabyte Gaming X370 board, for $120 from Newegg on ebay.

Wondering if paying the $20 extra for a 1500X over the 1400, for the full 16MB L3 cache is worth it (besides the increased clocks), or if that's a waste, and I should just build a second 1600 rig, this time with an X370 board. (Maybe ITX?)

Just having fun with new tech, I guess.

Wish I hadn't spent so much this month on Blu-Ray burners and AC1900 routers, and some GTX 1050ti cards for my G4560 builds, to turn around and sell. (They were $120 ea., saving $20 off of the usual price. Seemed worth it, they score 47FPS in Heaven "Extreme" preset. The R7 250X 2GB DDR3-1333 cards I had in them before, scored like 8FPS on same benchmark. Quite an improvement!)
 
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Guys, I used to know a lot about HW like 15 years ago, but my last build was in 2009, so I am not aware of current stuff.

Is it possible that the RAM is in some weird state caused by the motherboard training the RAM? Is it possible that an updated BIOS could fix this if this is the case?

May the motherboard apply excessive voltage when training?

I remembered I was trying to set a RAID array and never touched the RAM settings, everything was on "Auto", so it had a lot of boot cycling and training.
 

DrMrLordX

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I am unable to boot to Windows with the bad stick inserted.

Ugh. Have you tried it in an Intel system? Is that an option?

May the motherboard apply excessive voltage when training?

The usual complaint about AM4 boards is that some of them boot with 1.2v default no matter what you set in the UEFI or elsewhere. Though that would cause issues with both sticks.

Okay so here goes something completely different:

PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT

There is a subtiming deep in the latest Taichi UEFI (and possibly on other boards) called TrdrdSc. It defaults to 1 on my board. Do not, under any circumstance, increase that subtiming! It killed my read, write, and copy bandwidth values. When experimenting with DDR4-3466, TrdrdSC of 1 produced ~54.6 GB/s read bandwidth. TrdrdSc of 3 produced something like 38.7 GB/s read bandwidth. Ouch! Do not want.

Increasing it doesn't seem to do much for stability at high clocks, either.
 

Reinvented

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Guys, I used to know a lot about HW like 15 years ago, but my last build was in 2009, so I am not aware of current stuff.

Is it possible that the RAM is in some weird state caused by the motherboard training the RAM? Is it possible that an updated BIOS could fix this if this is the case?

May the motherboard apply excessive voltage when training?

I remembered I was trying to set a RAID array and never touched the RAM settings, everything was on "Auto", so it had a lot of boot cycling and training.

Well, for starters...update your bios. I just checked ASUS site, and 1002 is old. Newest is 1201, which has improved memory compatibility and AGESA update as well. This might actually solve your problem of it not booting into windows.
 
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The new 1.0.0.6 BETA for the ASROCK TAICHI is quite pimp.

I'm finally able to run my RAM at 2800 MHZ (which is what it's rated at XMP profile wise)

Just did the following

1) Turned on XMP
2) Set Memory Voltage to 1.35
3) Set Memory Frequency to 2800 MT/s (it's finally an option now)
4) Turned off [MEMORY] Gear Down (with this in AUTO, or enabled - Command Rate is hard coded at 1T)
5) Set Command Rate to 2T.

Booted up without issues - I'm running Dual Rank 16-GB DIMMS (32 gigs total) - of -

[Patriot Viper Elite Series DD4 32GB (2 x 16 GB) 2800MHz Kit (Gray)]

Too bad I'm not running the Gigabyte AB350-Gaming 3 anymore, pretty sure with it's new 1.0.0.6 BETA (F7A), probably would worked the same way.
 

Soulkeeper

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F4D is working on my K7
I wasn't able to make the memory run faster, but it's ecc so I guess that's to be expected.

What do you other 1006 guys have your RFC fields set to ?
 
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