AMD RYZEN Builders Thread

[.vodka]

3200 C14 1T was kind of hard to stabilize (memtest would throw an odd error here and there, also didn't bother testing 1T+Geardown), so what if I decided to stay at 3466 C16 (what the modules are rated at) and tightened everything else?

Well, it seems it likes it better this way:

1.1v vSOC
1.4v vDIMM + 1.4v vDIMM at boot time
0.9v vDPP
ProcODT 53.3Ω

I couldn't stabilize pure 1T so I enabled geardown. Similar benchmark scores to 3200C14 and tight subtimings, with more bandwidth and faster CCX/IF connection speed to boot. I'll take it. I'll see now what happens with BGSA enabled, if that doesn't impact stability it stays on.

It did boot at 3600 but was unstable



I'm also using zenstates now to overclock once windows loads, this way I can directly change P0 voltage without applying an offset that also raises the rest of the states' voltage. If I change P0 voltage in BIOS things get wonky... It'll probably get solved at some future BIOS update. More power savings at idle this way. Reminds me of k10stat, loved that program.

Edit: This cold boots! I just had to increase the boot retries from 1 to whatever, on a cold boot it restarts once then it boots just fine. This process lasts about 10-15 seconds, the rest is lightning fast boot as usual. Couldn't be happier with how it turned out.

 

[.vodka]

aaaaand that very same memory configuration crashed an installer decompressing files, CRC error. Set memory back to safe 2133 and it passed.

Goddamnit. More testing needed. Ryzen is a tricky platform to overclock, at least on the memory side of things.

 

[IRobot23]

I don't think anyone here should be recommending 8Gb of RAM unless they're doing fairly simple productivity, in which case I question why they'd be building a custom PC anyway.

Why?
8GB is more than enough for gaming all you need is dual channel.
Games are created to run on memory and virtual memory (PF). lets say I have 16GB of Memory, but it never use more than 8-10GB what every game I play (only AotS use more). Basically I was forcing windows to use less PF to use more system memory.

Anyway buying 16GB with samsung B die is very expensive - basically you get 8GB + 250GB ssd for same money and games will run just fine. Unless you do not care for money or you need it for "heavy" workloads then 8Gb is enough for light workoads and gaming.

 

[IRobot23]

aaaaand that very same memory configuration crashed an installer decompressing files, CRC error. Set memory back to safe 2133 and it passed.

Goddamnit. More testing needed. Ryzen is a tricky platform to overclock, at least on the memory side of things.

Try higher vSOC. It didnt work at 1.087V for me but it does at 1.137V

 

[Insert_Nickname]

Why?
8GB is more than enough for gaming all you need is dual channel.
Games are created to run on memory and virtual memory (PF). lets say I have 16GB of Memory, but it never use more than 8-10GB what every game I play (only AotS use more). Basically I was forcing windows to use less PF to use more system memory.

I'll make one specific exception from recommending 8GB. If you're running integrated graphics. The required GPU memory will be taken from the "pool" of system memory, which may "only" leave 6-7GB for everything else. That's cutting it a bit close, depending on what you do. Always overprovision IGP systems a bit.

You can never have too much RAM. My old laptop only has 4GB, and that's really starting to hurt just browsing around the web.

Anyway buying 16GB with samsung B die is very expensive - basically you get 8GB + 250GB ssd for same money and games will run just fine. Unless you do not care for money or you need it for "heavy" workloads then 8Gb is enough for light workoads and gaming.

Samsung-based memory prices has really skyrocketed since the Ryzen launch. Makes me sad I didn't spring for 32GB when I built my Ryzen system. But some good quality dual rank is fine too. B-die might be good for high frequency, but being single rank, the performance is a little lacking.

 

[Ranulf]

Eh, your average old laptop is suffering from weak igpu's these days more than a ram shortage. I'd still go with 16gb ram minimum for a gaming system.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Try higher vSOC. It didnt work at 1.087V for me but it does at 1.137V

Is that why my 3000 RAM won't be stable at anything above 2667? I don't have vSoC adjustmeny on my AB350M Pro4, that I can see.

 

[Trender]

Would love it if anyone can chime in.

Currently running 1700 on a Asus CH6 OC'd to 3.6. It seemed stable after multiple passes of IBT but getting the following error on all my cores/threads when I boot.

Source: Kernel-Processor-Power (Microsoft-Windows-Kernel-Processor-Power)
Event ID:35
Level: Error
Performance power management features on processor 0 in group 0 are disabled due to a firmware problem. Check with the computer manufacturer for updated firmware.

The Bios is 1002 on the Asus mobo.

Anyone see anything similar? Wondering if this might be a cosmetic issue from disabling power saving features on the bios.

I also have this problem and don't know how to solve it system is stable too

 

[.vodka]

Is that why my 3000 RAM won't be stable at anything above 2667? I don't have vSoC adjustmeny on my AB350M Pro4, that I can see.

Yes, vSOC is instrumental in getting higher speeds than 2667MHz. 1.05-1.1v is usually enough for >3000MHz memory. That, and vDIMM at boot, so that the memory controller can train the memory at higher speeds, especially with Hynix stuff that has a harder time to clock high like B-die memory.

It's absurd that such important settings aren't available in all motherboards :/

Try higher vSOC. It didnt work at 1.087V for me but it does at 1.137V

Thankfully I didn't need to go that high. Good news, managed to stabilize this:

Basically XMP timings + tight tRDRDSCL and tWRWRSCL which skyrocket bandwidth in AIDA bench. Good enough for me, a bit less performance vs the really tight primaries and subtimings but stable, pure 1T really helps offset the timings. I should try to lower tRFC, but I'm done with stress testing at the moment. Maybe in a few weeks. Sure, these are B-die but not the best B-die. I would've got 3200C14 stuff if I could... there wasn't any available anywhere at the time. It's still fast enough.

• vDIMM 1.375v
• vSOC 1.1v
• Set CAD bus lines at 30 ohms (24 stock)
  
• ProcODT 60 ohms

Suggested ProcODT values from Elmor/The Stilt.

Samsung B (SR) 2x8GB 53.3Ω / 60.0Ω
Samsung B (DR) 2x16GB 80Ω / 96Ω
Samsung B (DR) 4x16GB 43.6Ω
Hynix A (DR) 2x8GB 53.3Ω
Hynix A (DR) 4x8GB 40Ω

Thankfully I didn't have to tweak CLDO_VDDP (memory controller PHY voltage) to get this stable or any other even more obscure settings (the C6H can get daunting at times, but the tweaking capabilites are admirable)

Game installer doesn't crash with CRC errors anymore, passed 4 hours of stressapptest, 1500% HCI memtest, hours of P95 28.10 blend, with the CPU at 3.8GHz 1.35v/1.28v after vdroop no LLC. This restarts twice on a cold boot, and POSTs just fine at the third try, consistenly. I'm okay with that.

I also disabled SenseMI skew, I now have the correct temperature range for my 1700 (as it had a -20°C offset as if it were a X chip), idles at ~25°C and goes to ~65°C load on P95 28.10 128k in place, with the integrated meter at 160w consumption. IBT Ryzen edition shows around 200 GFLOPS, nice result, at similar temperatures and power. These are with relaxed EDC throttling enabled, so even worse case than usual. Enough headroom for 3.9GHz/1.34v after vdroop and stress testing, but I don't think it's worth it.

I've been doing some Handbrake encodes for the past four hours, no problem at all. This thing chews through those video files like it is nothing Poor old 2500k would've just shown me the finger at this workload and told me to f*** off.



Still, I know this will probably just blue screen somewhere at some point next week, so we'll see.

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AGESA 1007 is up next, we'll probably be hearing about that in less than three months. I wonder what improvements we'll see next.

 

[krumme]

Where do i set ram boot voltage in asus 805 agesa 1006 bios ?

 

[parkerface]

After six months of reading about Ryzen and having the desire to upgrade, I broke down and ordered some new components over the weekend. Everything else I'm recycling from my current build. It's a 4670k @ 4.6 for those who are curious.

Fed-Ex package should be arriving this afternoon. I decided on:

R7 1700 along with a Noctua NH-U14S cooler
Asus Strix B350-F Gaming motherboard
GSkill Trident Z (F4-3200C14D-16GTZKW) 16GB

Could use some advice on something--since this will be the first time I've recycled my boot OS drive from one build to another, should I wipe it prior to installation or would it be prudent to try and boot it with the new hardware first? Will drivers be an issue with Windows 10? I don't want to get pantsed by not having functional ethernet or something as equally annoying. I'm not using an optical drive these days.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Could use some advice on something--since this will be the first time I've recycled my boot OS drive from one build to another, should I wipe it prior to installation or would it be prudent to try and boot it with the new hardware first? Will drivers be an issue with Windows 10? I don't want to get pantsed by not having functional ethernet or something as equally annoying. I'm not using an optical drive these days.

I would, while still configured as your "old" machine, download all of the mobo mfg's drivers to the OS drive, and then swap the drive over to the new hardware. Assuming that it can boot, and doesn't blue-screen (a good possibility that it will boot), then when Windows 10 finishes auto-installing its drivers, then double-click on and install the mobo mfg's drivers. Start with Chipset, then Ethernet LAN, then USB3.0, then Sound, then Video, etc.

 

[scannall]

After six months of reading about Ryzen and having the desire to upgrade, I broke down and ordered some new components over the weekend. Everything else I'm recycling from my current build. It's a 4670k @ 4.6 for those who are curious.

Fed-Ex package should be arriving this afternoon. I decided on:

R7 1700 along with a Noctua NH-U14S cooler
Asus Strix B350-F Gaming motherboard
GSkill Trident Z (F4-3200C14D-16GTZKW) 16GB

Could use some advice on something--since this will be the first time I've recycled my boot OS drive from one build to another, should I wipe it prior to installation or would it be prudent to try and boot it with the new hardware first? Will drivers be an issue with Windows 10? I don't want to get pantsed by not having functional ethernet or something as equally annoying. I'm not using an optical drive these days.

Personally I'd do a clean install. Backup your data of course, but an 'old' OS install is hit or miss going into a brand new everything computer.

 

[MarkPost]

I've used the same win10 image (with all my programs already installed) for FX-8350, 2600K, Ryzen and 7800X without issues

 

[krumme]

New bios from asus out for the b350m. ver. 806. a few days old.
Got my corsair lpx 3000c15 to run at 2933 c14 at 1.4v. Latency 75ns. Still needs some stability testing but we are getting better each month. If this works its very good result.
The bios fixes some fundamental booting bug that have existed since launch for this board.
This should have been the launch bios.
It took 5 month.
Got the rc, faw, rrds and rrdl correctly boot one. But for some reason even cas is set to 15 while it still needs 14 or 16.
On reddit i got the correct setup to get to c14.
14, 16, 16, 16, 35
drav 1.4v
vttddr 0.7
soc +0.2 or auto ->1.1v
procODT 43 ohm.
The procODT seems vital and the 1.4v is needed for c14 or you are bound to c16. And the change in latency is huge.

Its absolutely nessesary next bios get all right for this ram when selecting xmp. Its the most sold ram on amazon. It needs to work on auto.

 

[krumme]

Trying the stilt settings for hynix ram now. (edit: did not work, so back to the above setup)
c14, 17, 17, 17, 30, 38, procodt 60 ohm,
but at 2933 and 1.375v dram voltage
Soc 1.1
My ram cant go over 2933 and 1.405v seems to be to high for it

The management of soc voltage seems broken on this bios imo or i cant understand it. When you select a new ram speed the auto setting for high speed that is 1.1v returns to standard. I cant fix it at 1.1 because when i then apply plus 0.2V it goes to 1.3V. Cant understand what i am doing wrong here.

but hey anywhere it lands the ram can go to 2933 at very agressive settings vs. the standard.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

Its absolutely nessesary next bios get all right for this ram when selecting xmp. Its the most sold ram on amazon. It needs to work on auto.

Don't feel too bad about it. I've never been able to push my Crucial/Micron RAM over 2400MHz, and not for lack of trying. Ryzen just seems to dislike certain memory.

Been thinking about replacing with Samsung, but not at current pricing.

 

[krumme]

Don't feel too bad about it. I've never been able to push my Crucial/Micron RAM over 2400MHz, and not for lack of trying. Ryzen just seems to dislike certain memory.

Been thinking about replacing with Samsung, but not at current pricing.

If i can keep this 3000c15 at 2933c14 with manual timings and it is stable its super. Was very cheap. Its just that many people can not handle the manual setup.
This specific ram have given many trouble for Intel owners also so high speed trouble is certainly not a new problem or only for ryzen.

 

[Elixer]

What a epic fail.
They ruined their Threadripper mobo by over-tightening the screws.
https://clips.twitch.tv/PreciousEncouragingYogurtAMPEnergyCherry

 

[Eric1987]

PRIME X370-PRO BIOS 0807
Add CBS item

What is that? It's a new update but that's all it says.

 

[formulav8]

What a epic fail.

That dude was using all his might almost it seems. Isn't the torque rating 2.5nm or something?

I'm just not sure about some people these days...

 

[Markfw]

What a epic fail.
They ruined their Threadripper mobo by over-tightening the screws.
https://clips.twitch.tv/PreciousEncouragingYogurtAMPEnergyCherry

The idiots do not know how to use a torque wrench WHICH AMD INCLUDES WITH THE CPU JUST FOR THIS REASON !

 

[IEC]

The correct torque spec is 1.6 Nm (14.2 in-lbs). That was WAY too much force.

 

[formulav8]

The correct torque spec is 1.6 Nm (14.2 in-lbs).

You can see him putting a lot of force even after the click. Just wackiness. Not sure why he thought he had to use all his might for it to be secure...

 

[IEC]

<-- This idiot stopped after the click:

Torque wrench worked as designed.