AMD Ryzen claims top spot in Amazon CPUs!

[Shivansps]

Yes. And thats why they are beaten big time by amd.

They got beaten much worse with Athlon 64 and that was not a proccess issue, whats your point?

 

[krumme]

They got beaten much worse with Athlon 64 and that was not a proccess issue, whats your point?

Fixing problems on a process is clearly next to impossible or it had been done. New nodes is extremely expensive and thats why we see 14+++
There is only one way to adress it halfway and it doing like amd using glue/stitching.

Edit: btw ibm soi played a part in athlon 64 success. It was also a process difference.
We all look forward to ibm 7nm high perf then

 

[maddie]

if not for the 14 and 10nm problem Intel whould have beaten AMD to 8 cores in mainstream. They really dont have to innovate anything, just fix the problems with the process.

Don't really have to innovate anything, you say.

I'm going to assume you wrote that badly.

If not, do you have any appreciation about materials physics & chemistry and their relations to process advancement. Are you assuming that innovation only applies to architecture.

Thermodynamics
Materials science
CPU Architecture
Transistor architecture

And many more, all needing innovation.

 

[3DVagabond]

Well, kaby lake is a new generation but not really a new product, just a refinement. People who wanted a fast quad have had it available for years, so the demand has been already partially filled. Ryzen is a new product, so obviously demand will be high initially. Let's see how sales settle out after the initial hype dies down.

AMD just making a CPU that is truly competitive with Intel after so many years of not being able to compete is enough. They don't have to take over the market. We've seen a major uplift in perf/$ on our end, the consumer's. We'd all be waiting for the next 4c/8t $400 cpu to be released and trying to decide whether or not it was worth upgrading.

 

[Dave2150]

Excellent news for AMD. It really is a massive achievement to beat Intel's performance per watt and overall desktop performance with such a small r&d budget.

Imagine what AMD could achieve with Intel's budget - hopefully we'll find out as AMD will continue to grow

 

[french toast]

Excellent news for AMD. It really is a massive achievement to beat Intel's performance per watt and overall desktop performance with such a small r&d budget.

Imagine what AMD could achieve with Intel's budget - hopefully we'll find out as AMD will continue to grow

And process, imagine ryzen and Vega derivatives manufactured on Intel's far superior 14nm ++?

Sobering thought

 

[SPBHM]

it's kind of ironic that the only CPU I think AMD doesn't have much of a chance to compete with is the G4560 for now...

for anyone building a PC right now it's a mistake not to consider Ryzen, I'm not surprised it's selling well.

 

[CatMerc]

Skylake/Kaby Lake/Coffee Lake are all the same architecture though. Coffee Lake is a 6 core Skylake chip, essentially. It's from 2014.

How is that relevant though? Is Intel offering anything better than Skylake cores?

Even Skylake-X with its heavy redesign has seen performance regressions in addition to boosts. Intel clearly tapped out the core architecture and is now looking to replace it. Expect it around late 2018 to somewhere in 2019. And it will fight Zen 2, which makes comparing it with Zen 1 even more irrelevant.

Well, clearly Coffee Lake exists. It's been leaked on Sisoft a few times going back a couple months.
Heck, Cannon Lake 10nm exists. Intel demoed it a long time ago in a laptop.

When the CFL 6C chip is released, aren't people going to complain that it's just another old design SL/KL 14nm part and not anything really new? I can already hear them...

By virtue of it being 6 cores rather than 4, it will be an actual non incremental upgrade for mainstream users. If it's on LGA 1151 I'll replace my 6600K with one. Otherwise I'll probably spring for AM4 and Zen+, because I expect AMD to actually provide me an upgrade path on AM4 unlike Intel

Excellent news for AMD. It really is a massive achievement to beat Intel's performance per watt and overall desktop performance with such a small r&d budget.

Imagine what AMD could achieve with Intel's budget - hopefully we'll find out as AMD will continue to grow

With a higher budget, I expect better execution and marketing. But the actual architectures wouldn't be much different I don't think. In fact they might not be as innovative as they are now. With Intel's budget AMD may have just went with a monolithic die, but with budget constraints they have to innovate to survive, therefore they adopted IF and the MCM approach early.