All of this is completely wrong.
Stock price has nothing to do with the ability to get loans.
And for the last time, AMD isn't going for a market share grab at the cost of profits. They have said it over and over, I don't know why you don't believe them.
Um, no. I worked for a couple of companies where loans were tied to stock prices. I don't know if they used stock as collateral or what. If the stock prices dropped the interest payments went up so I suspect that may have been how it worked.All of this is completely wrong.
Stock price has nothing to do with the ability to get loans.
Sorry mate. 'Code Analyst' is correct.
It's this: http://developer.amd.com/tools-and-sdks/archive/compute/amd-codeanalyst-performance-analyzer/
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What is the most simple and straightforward explanation for the results we see?
Fair enough--the other issue is that the start of that post is borderline/primarily personal-attacky. There is basically zero tolerance of that in these hardware forums, unlike some other AT forums.
...ask me how I know.
All of this is completely wrong.
Stock price has nothing to do with the ability to get loans.
And for the last time, AMD isn't going for a market share grab at the cost of profits. They have said it over and over, I don't know why you don't believe them.
Credit rating depends on the stock price among other factors. Having a high stock price also means a company at any time can raise capital via secondary offering. Higher stock price gives them more money for less share dilution needed.All of this is completely wrong.
Stock price has nothing to do with the ability to get loans.
And for the last time, AMD isn't going for a market share grab at the cost of profits. They have said it over and over, I don't know why you don't believe them.
Um, no. I worked for a couple of companies where loans were tied to stock prices. I don't know if they used stock as collateral or what. If the stock prices dropped the interest payments went up so I suspect that may have been how it worked.
Credit rating depends on the stock price among other factors.
@MajinCry
Thanks for running that, as expected just from looking at the Blender Renderer code there are plenty of branches there. And based on poor performance of FX chips, I do think Ryzen's branch predictor could be much improved.
I just explained to you why it matters. Market cap (number of shares * share price) can be looked as a collateral. Because secondary offering can be used to raise money to pay down debt.Credit rating has just about zero to do with stock price. I could see it if AMD was holding millions of shares to collateralize the loan, but that isn't the case here.
You do realize that once the offering is made, companies don't make any further income from their stock, right? So having a high stock price means nothing for the ability to pay the debt.
I just explained to you why it matters. Market cap (number of shares x share price) can be looked as a collateral. Because secondary offering can be used to raise money to pay down debt.
This is like going to a bank and requesting a loan. If you own property or have any kind of capital your chances of getting a loan are much greater.
Sigh. It's all I am going to say. Read my comments again. It gives you an example too you can research. If AMD's stock was $2 or less they could risk getting delisted. But because their price was high enough ($8) they were able to raise $1B+ in secondary offering. Share dilution almost always results in the stock price going down, turns out investors don't like their shares being diluted?! They simply would not have been able to do this back in February. Which is why the stock price matters.Stock prices have nothing to do with collateral. You're very, very confused about what company stock is.
Sigh. It's all I am going to say. Read my comments again. It gives you an example too you can research. If AMD's stock was $2 or less they could risk getting delisted. But because their price was high enough ($8) they were able to raise $1B+ in secondary offering. Share dilution almost always results in the stock price going down, turns out investors don't like their shares being diluted?! They simply would not have been able to do this back in February. Which is why the stock price matters.
Also the higher the stock price the less dilution is needed. So to raise $1B dollars if AMD's stock say was $80 they would have only needed to delude the shares by 1%, instead because it was $8 they had to dilute them by 10% (to get ~$1B they needed out of it). So this proves to you a direct correlation between stock price (and market cap), and a company's ability to raise capital from a secondary offering. Being able to raise capital from a secondary offering can only be looked at favorably by lenders. It's common sense. And this is why the market cap, or share price as a component of market cap.. matters indirectly when it comes to getting a loan.
Thanks.
Did the Ryzen render yet again, and, well, I dunno. That seems like a lot of branching if ya ask me. This being done on a Phenom II x4 965 BE @ 3.4Ghz
I am going to leave it at this. When you are lending someone money, what is the first thing you ask? How will this person be able to pay me back? right? A high stock price indicates at least one avenue (via secondary offering) for a company to raise capital, so is it really such a big leap of logic to assume it's looked at as favorably by the lenders?My last comment on this:
You've gone from loans and credit ratings to stock offerings. You've not only shifted the goal posts, you're playing basketball instead of football.
Yup, previously AMD turned quad cores into octa cores ~ www.techpowerup.com/217327/amd-dragged-to-court-over-core-count-on-bulldozerTalk of stocks and loans and finances is putting me to sleep. No one cares how awesome you are at your jobs. I want to hear you talking about how badass Zen is going to be and how it will make Intel's quads look like anemic, pathetic dual cores. Quads are the new dual cores thanks to Zen. Thanks Zen! I want to buy Zen. I actually want to buy it and I'm pissed that I can't right meow.
What a great ad hominem rebuttal...It's painfully clear you have no idea what you are talking about. AMD always had a far worse margin problem than a marketshare problem. The latter without the former is worthless. It is critical for AMD that they have to raise ASPs as high as they possible could with Zen. The notion that AMD has to sell great products but at bargain basement prices is disguised entitlement syndrome.
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