Yup. Coupled with cheaper-then-2011v3 AM4 boards, that will be pretty competitive from what we have seen so far.
Which games pull ahead with 8 cores?I'd consider a 6/12 core Zen, but I'd feel like I was missing out on something, 2 more cores to be specific. I have seen enough gaming benchmarks where 8 cores pulls enough ahead of everything else to make me unhappy with less than 8. It all comes down to OC performance for me now.
Which games pull ahead with 8 cores?
I think 4c/8t should be APU only.
I can't remember but they've been shown many times. Many many times and everyone knows. This is well known.
I wouldn't exactly "count the chickens" yet regarding the pricing of AM4 motherboards, at least the proper ones.
Take a look at Z270 boards for example. They cost generally the same as X99 boards of the same segment.
Everyone minus one, apparently. There's this:I can't remember but they've been shown many times. Many many times and everyone knows. This is well known.
I can't remember but they've been shown many times. Many many times and everyone knows. This is well known.
Hyperthreading seems to suffer higher likelihood of performance regressions with higher core counts, which makes one wonder if a highly OCed octacore with HT off might be the killer setup for gaming. So much of this is uncharted territory at this time.Yea, the universal "everybody". Personally, i am not so sure there is reliable data on that. Now the 5960x shows some very impressive results, especially on the game.gpu tests, which I consider much less reliable than I used to, but even then, one must remember it has a huge cache as well. The best way to test this would be with the 5960x, and disable 2 or 4 cores. Dont really know if there is much data on this. My personal feeling is that there is very little gaming benefit with more than 6 hyperthreaded cores.
because DICE are among very few developers that always tried to drive tech forward. Battlefield 3 was one of the first games to be built for DX11 only.Battlefield 1(so the Frostbite engine in general) is very thread number sensitive and can use up to 16 threads. Also IPC from haswell 4c/4t to Skylake 4c/8t goes from 1.14 to 2.08.
I think games will follow the multithreading path massively in the next few years.
Everyone minus one, apparently. There's this:
BUT, there is no hexacore on there, so it's hard to say for sure how much advantage the two extra cores confer. I was genuinely curious and wanting to agree with you. Maybe someone else would be more helpful, I've been trying to find examples of octacores beating hexacores in games.
EDIT: Oh, okay, that was a Trump joke. Sorry, I don't keep up on that crap and don't really expect to see it on this side of the forum.
Thanks for the link! I'm having trouble discerning what the underlying hostility is about, though. What conclusions do you draw from the Eurogamer test?1. Let's look at one test, a Russian test site that's shady, has many numbers that deviate from other sites, and that doesn't even bother to test chips at same speeds, give better info about what kind of RAM is used and more. You want a proper 1080p tests of chips? Look at Eurogamer's (by DigitalFoundry's) test of Haswell vs. Skylake. Watch Dogs 2 is not included, but a interesting fact is that those very games testet by Eurogamer are also having these big gaps with the same chips by GameGPU. But as DF proved, the 6700K is 5% ahead of the 5820K and 5960X, which is also how much it is ahead in terms of architecture improvements from HW to SL.
2. Let's ignore the fact that they're testing a GTX 1080 at 1080p. Because that makes a fuck ton of sense, right?
Battlefield 1(so the Frostbite engine in general) is very thread number sensitive and can use up to 16 threads. Also IPC from haswell 4c/4t to Skylake 4c/8t goes from 1.14 to 2.08.
I think games will follow the multithreading path massively in the next few years.
Thanks for the link! I'm having trouble discerning what the underlying hostility is about, though. What conclusions doyou draw from the Eurogamer test?
For me I would rather see 1st percentile FPS than true minimums which are very likely to be irrelevant outliers.
According to Chiphell user Wjm47196:
- Launch in March
- 4C/8T four months after 8C/16T
- (Fastest?) 8C/16T might not be cheap - he expects 3999-4999 RMB ($580-720)
https://www.chiphell.com/thread-1697525-1-1.html
I used google translate and get the guy said 4C8T will launch in April. Looks like you guys mix up '4 months' and '4th month'.
Bitsandchips was still correct that said 'No Four Cores Zen CPUs at least initially'
The guy also said game performance is 'expected' which means it should be good.
I agree with this. Low percentile frame rates are where higher core counts seem to shine though, possibly due to poorly controlled variables like background processes.For me I would rather see 1st percentile FPS than true minimums which are very likely to be irrelevant outliers.