AMD Ryzen (Summit Ridge) Benchmarks Thread (use new thread)

[Doom2pro]

It's a mistake if they don't lift NDA BEFORE Launch, what do they have to hide? They aren't trying to protect an inferior product like Bulldozer this time... They need to get the Hype Train at full speed days BEFORE launch, not during.

I have my wallet wide open, so long as they don't commit suicide and price their products at Intel insanity levels. Cmon AMD, let the other shoe drop and then shut up and take my money.

 

[Atari2600]

It's a mistake if they don't lift NDA BEFORE Launch, what do they have to hide?

Possibly. Probably. I suspect they are taking every second to improve things and will squeeze the reviewers in the middle.

If (a month ago) you think a further week of microcode or bios updates gets another 1-2% performance and improves power consumption, you'll take the extra week and push the NDA back toward launch.


I agree in that lifting NDA pre launch is better than at launch. It gets AMD more exposure for the same money.

It also means Lisa Su can be talking, not just about how good the Zen CPU IS, but how good the Raven Ridge APU will be, how good Naples will be, how good the HPC APU will be (Snowy Owl?)... How good Zen+ will be.

Basically use the positive vibes of the NDA lift and the launch to unload a series of punches at Intel across the market space. If folks think Naples/Snowy Owl will be that good, they may hold a few weeks on infrastructure changes.

 

[cytg111]

Possibly. Probably. I suspect they are taking every second to improve things and will squeeze the reviewers in the middle..

Plus you dont want to show your hand too soon. Intel is moving for an august counter launch and if you show too soon, the competition may be able to adjust binnings, frequencies etc. Even the small stuff have merit in $$'ers

 

[Sweepr]

http://www.zolkorn.com/news/amd-ryzen-sr5-will-be-8c-8t/

 

[Avalon]

I'd be pleased if the "low end" SR3 was 4C/8T. Based on the naming scheme I'd think they would try to slot this up against the Core i3, which could mean aggressive pricing, but that's probably just a pipe dream for me.

 

[cytg111]

I'd be pleased if the "low end" SR3 was 4C/8T. Based on the naming scheme I'd think they would try to slot this up against the Core i3, which could mean aggressive pricing, but that's probably just a pipe dream for me.

Keypoint vs the i3 here is also "unlocked". It would remove the i3 segment from the playing field.

 

[Sweepr]

GPU Gladius B1
CPU DG1301SML87HY

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PS4 Pro, Scorpio, Zen?

 

[inf64]

From 24. Dec
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smpboot: CPU0: AMD DG1301SML87HY (family: 0x16, model: 0x41, stepping: 0x1)

Fam. 16h is Jaguar.

 

[Shivansps]

I'd be pleased if the "low end" SR3 was 4C/8T. Based on the naming scheme I'd think they would try to slot this up against the Core i3, which could mean aggressive pricing, but that's probably just a pipe dream for me.

Not gona happen on price. SR3 maybe as low in price as a Core i5K, at best, that if the cpu are as good as AMD said.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Not gona happen on price. SR3 maybe as low in price as a Core i5K, at best, that if the cpu are as good as AMD said.

Why not? The i3-7350k is $170+. I can see the SR3 being priced in that range.

 

[AtenRa]

Why not? The i3-7350k is $170+. I can see the SR3 being priced in that range.

Well we havent seen how RYZEN performs at 1080p gaming yet. But even if 4C 8T RUZEN is 10-15% slower ST at the same price point as i3 7350, then it will be enough to render i3 7350 out of the picture.

 

[Shivansps]

Again with this? Ryzen is gona be a ENTHUSIAST product line, think for one second, if AMD prices 4C 8T Ryzen anywhere near $170 (and you are still missing 4C/4T), whats the point in a AM4 APU line? You are thinking they will sell a sub $100 A12-9800?

If they perform like AMD said, 4C/4T will be placed against mainstream I5 and 4C/8T against mainstream I7.

$80 A8-9600
$110 A10-9700
$140 A12-9800
$200 4C/4T
$300 4C/8T
$400 8C/8T
$500 8C/16T

Sounds about right to me.

 

[SpaceBeer]

The point of APU line is IGP. When you buy Ryzen CPU, you will have to pay at least $50 more for dGPU. So 4c/4t (if there is such part) will have to be $50 cheaper than i5

 

[realibrad]

The point of APU line is IGP. When you buy Ryzen CPU, you will have to pay at least $50 more for dGPU. So 4c/4t (if there is such part) will have to be $50 cheaper than i5

That does not make sense. There is not a gpu out there that is $50 that can keep up with a modern IGP that AMD would use on their APU. An i5 and a dGPU that would be equal to Ryzen would be far more than $50 more.

 

[Shivansps]

The point of APU line is IGP. When you buy Ryzen CPU, you will have to pay at least $50 more for dGPU. So 4c/4t (if there is such part) will have to be $50 cheaper than i5

Right now, the first AM4 APU arent Zen based, cpu perf difference has to be huge.
If the entry level Ryzen is below $200, AM4 APU has to be $100 for the top model, i dont see that happening.

Also if they release a 4C/8T and 8C/8T, i see no reason of why a 4C/4T cant exist.

Plus they dont need to use Zen to fight I3s, they can do so with non-Zen APU.

 

[SpaceBeer]

I was referring to users who don't need strong GPU/IGP, but need fast CPU. They buy i5/i7 and use IGP, since it's more than enough. If Ryzen is as fast (or faster) as i5/i7, people who decide to buy them, will have to buy some GPU just to have picture on the screen. So those who don't need fast GPU (programmers, excel experts, audio designers...) will never buy Ryzen if they need to buy dGPU for nothing. It's not just money, it's also more power, more stuff to brake down, etc. At least until Raven Ridge comes, and that is H2/17

 

[Sweepr]

Lots of slides from today's event:

http://www.sweclockers.com/forum/post/16639315

 

[Insert_Nickname]

Again with this? Ryzen is gona be a ENTHUSIAST product line, think for one second, if AMD prices 4C 8T Ryzen anywhere near $170 (and you are still missing 4C/4T), whats the point in a AM4 APU line? You are thinking they will sell a sub $100 A12-9800?

You're ignoring the fact that AMD is already selling iGPU-less Athlon X4s @ similar frequency (f.x. 880K vs 7890K) for less then $100. There is already an AM4 version of the Athlon X4 845 named X4 950.

Getting an SKU with IGP adds ~50% cost.

I don't see any problems with a $100-150 4C/4T Ryzen SKU. It'd knock the socks of the i3s if clocked high enough.

 

[laamanaator]

You're ignoring the fact that AMD is already selling iGPU-less Athlon X4s @ similar frequency (f.x. 880K vs 7890K) for less then $100. There is already an AM4 version of the Athlon X4 845 named X4 950.

Getting an SKU with IGP adds ~50% cost.

I don't see any problems with a $100-150 4C/4T Ryzen SKU. It'd knock the socks of the i3s if clocked high enough.

You're ignoring the fact that those Athlon X4 processors are slower than the i3s they're trying to compete with. 4C8T Ryzen will not be competing with i3s, and so it will not be priced like one.

 

[Abwx]

Right now, the first AM4 APU arent Zen based, cpu perf difference has to be huge.
If the entry level Ryzen is below $200, AM4 APU has to be $100 for the top model, i dont see that happening.

Also if they release a 4C/8T and 8C/8T, i see no reason of why a 4C/4T cant exist.

Plus they dont need to use Zen to fight I3s, they can do so with non-Zen APU.

Bristol Ridge is priced the same as Godavari based APUs, so that s not exactly 100$ but it should be close at 130$ for the most expensive model.

A theorical 4C/4T Ryzen should be priced equivalently given that there s no GPU but say 50% better CPU throughput, hence a 4C/8T shouldnt be more than 180$..

 

[Sweepr]

A10-7890K with inferior CPU performance to Intel's Kaby Lake-S Core i3/i5 is still being sold for ~$150. If AMD can consistenly match/beat Core i5-7600K MT performance (4C/8T after all) coupled with improved iGPU performance (11-12 CUs iGPU) they won't sell this much more capable APU for less than $180. Expect $200-300 at least.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

You're ignoring the fact that those Athlon X4 processors are slower than the i3s they're trying to compete with. 4C8T Ryzen will not be competing with i3s, and so it will not be priced like one.

...???

Athlon X4s do not compete with i3s. i3s start at ~$120. Athlon X4s are a tier lower, and compete with Pentiums. I never claimed otherwise.

A 4C/4T Ryzen will very likely be competitive with i3s. Properbly with lower ST, but higher MT performance. I can definitely se 4C/8T Ryzen compete at $200-250 against i5s.

 

[Glo.]

...???

Athlon X4s do not compete with i3s. i3s start at ~$120. Athlon X4s are a tier lower, and compete with Pentiums. I never claimed otherwise.

A 4C/4T Ryzen will very likely be competitive with i3s. Properbly with lower ST, but higher MT performance. I can definitely se 4C/8T Ryzen compete at $200-250 against i5s.

Does Haswell 4790K compete with Core i5's from Intel?

The price, does indicate with what you are competing. Its the performance. Price of a product defines its value(what you get for your money).

Ryzen 4C/8T 4.0 GHz CPU will be on par with 4790K. If it will cost 199$, will it compete with Core i3's, or Core i7700K?

 

[Abwx]

If AMD can consistenly match/beat Core i5-7600K MT performance (4C/8T after all) coupled with improved iGPU performance (11-12 CUs iGPU) they won't sell this much more capable APU for less than $180. Expect $200-300 at least.

I was talking of Summit Ridge harvested dies, there s no GPU and this will translate by 50$ lower price than
an APU that has equivalent CPU perf, and since a 4C/4T Summit Ridge has 50% better CPU throughput than Bristol Ridge it should be priced the same, the better CPU perf compensating for the absence of GPU..

Btw, the 7890K cost 150$ because it s delivered with a Wraith cooler, not sure that AMD will use them with 65W CPUs and APUs...

 

[itsmydamnation]

Again with this? Ryzen is gona be a ENTHUSIAST product line, think for one second, if AMD prices 4C 8T Ryzen anywhere near $170 (and you are still missing 4C/4T), whats the point in a AM4 APU line? You are thinking they will sell a sub $100 A12-9800?

If they perform like AMD said, 4C/4T will be placed against mainstream I5 and 4C/8T against mainstream I7.

$80 A8-9600
$110 A10-9700
$140 A12-9800
$200 4C/4T
$300 4C/8T
$400 8C/8T
$500 8C/16T

Sounds about right to me.

Why would they do that? Phrases like its an enthusiast product are just throw away lines they dont mean anything. Zeppelin is a 180-200mm sq CPU, cost of manufacture , testing , packaging and desired mix off GP will determine price not intels pricing structure. Why would AMD not want to complete in the 100-200 market? Why would they keep manufacturing CPU's people aren't currently buying?

Intel could also easily react to what you are saying without much impact to them, move each zen in your down 50-70 and now its much harder for intel to react with pricing. your 4/4 the lowest salvage part would also have something like 30-40% gross margin priced in that range.

AMD then do the same thing in P1 and P2 servers and then what do intel do? Then the same with RR in laptops. They would still make way more margin then they have on a CPU in a long time, take market share across the board.