AMD Ryzen (Summit Ridge) Benchmarks Thread (use new thread)

[Arachnotronic]

Never mind then I guess it wasn't meant to be and I'll have to wait on Zen now. Someone snagged that 6900k off of ebay before I could make up my mind to pull the trigger. Not only that but newegg just raised the price back up on the motherboard I was about to purchase 2 wammy's in one day is a sign from up above to hold my horses. Guess I will start looking at DDR4 then to get me ready for Bristol Ridge or Zen..

Just buy a 6700K + Z170...

 

[PhonakV30]

I think maximum Clock for Zen would be around 3.8Ghz ~ 4Ghz due to LPP. So Final Zen ( running at 4.2~4.5 ) will be coming after 2017?

 

[Justinbaileyman]

Just buy a 6700K + Z170...

I actually already own a 6700k still sealed sitting on my desk staring at me. I just dont have a motherboard for it yet and all this talk about the PCB of the cpu being to thin and weak and bendable has me really freaked out. So I was going to ditch it and go x99 but that didnt pan out like I had hoped for. I would totally go Zen right this minute but its not even coming out for like another 6-7 months. I would just die if I get a motherboard and installed the 6700k and it bent or cracked.

 

[Arachnotronic]

I actually already own a 6700k still sealed sitting on my desk staring at me. I just dont have a motherboard for it yet and all this talk about the PCB of the cpu being to thin and weak and bendable has me really freaked out. So I was going to ditch it and go x99 but that didnt pan out like I had hoped for. I would totally go Zen right this minute but its not even coming out for like another 6-7 months. I would just die if I get a motherboard and installed the 6700k and it bent or cracked.

dude, PCB of the CPU is fine. don't ditch the 6700k, just buy a z170 board and be happy.

 

[swilli89]

I actually already own a 6700k still sealed sitting on my desk staring at me. I just dont have a motherboard for it yet and all this talk about the PCB of the cpu being to thin and weak and bendable has me really freaked out. So I was going to ditch it and go x99 but that didnt pan out like I had hoped for. I would totally go Zen right this minute but its not even coming out for like another 6-7 months. I would just die if I get a motherboard and installed the 6700k and it bent or cracked.

Actually Lisa Su stated end of 2016 for a limited Zen desktop release so it may just be about 2 and a half months away.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Actually Lisa Su stated end of 2016 for a limited Zen desktop release so it may just be about 2 and a half months away.

Nah, latest BenchLife leak + public commentary to investors (surprised that you haven't checked the latest investor deck on AMD's website...) is now Q1 2017. BenchLife in particular says February.

 

[superstition]

dude, PCB of the CPU is fine. don't ditch the 6700k, just buy a z170 board and be happy.

Too bad we still haven't seen a proper EDRAM part.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Too bad we still haven't seen a proper EDRAM part.

And you never will...anything beyond GT2 is done in desktops.

 

[superstition]

And you never will...anything beyond GT2 is done in desktops.

We'll see. Maybe Intel will decide to combine the efficiency of Broadwell C's L4 with the improved Skylake cores.

Someday.

If it wants my money it will. Otherwise, I'm going to wait until Zen.

 

[Arachnotronic]

I actually already own a 6700k still sealed sitting on my desk staring at me. I just dont have a motherboard for it yet and all this talk about the PCB of the cpu being to thin and weak and bendable has me really freaked out. So I was going to ditch it and go x99 but that didnt pan out like I had hoped for. I would totally go Zen right this minute but its not even coming out for like another 6-7 months. I would just die if I get a motherboard and installed the 6700k and it bent or cracked.

Actually, I am going to change my advice.

Over the last several months, you have asked many people on this forum for help in picking out new computer parts. You have asked many questions, ranging from information about future products to chipset compatibility with future products, and many of us have tried to help you and provide you with the answers that you seek.

You say that you even went ahead and bought a 6700K and that it's sitting there collecting dust because you haven't pulled the trigger on a motherboard or RAM for it. You have now asked us about picking up a potential 6900K (but the deal is gone) versus a Zen 8 core because you are worried about the PCB of the perfectly fine CPU that you've already bought, of all things to be worried about.

Really, and I don't write this to be mean, it seems that you don't want an Intel processor at all from your posts. You want to buy a Zen because you have a preference for AMD. So my recommendation to you is this: take back/sell the 6700K, use whatever you have now, and wait for Zen to arrive.

Then I would suggest you buy the Zen. The longevity of the AM4 platform, which will allow you to continue to buy future AMD processors (since you indicated that you would want to go from SKL->KBL, I assume you would want to go from Zen->Zen+) with the knowledge that the platform you invested in will be supported.

This is not what I would do if it were my money, but it is what I think you want to do with yours. Just own the fact that you want an AMD processor, wait the extra ~5 months or so for Zen to arrive, and buy the product from the vendor that you prefer.

 

[Arachnotronic]

We'll see. Maybe Intel will decide to combine the efficiency of Broadwell C's L4 with the improved Skylake cores.

Someday.

If it wants my money it will. Otherwise, I'm going to wait until Zen.

Zen CPUs/APUs won't have an L4 cache. I suspect that you never had any intention of buying an Intel processor if lack of eDRAM is really that much of a "deal breaker" for you.

 

[superstition]

Zen CPUs/APUs won't have an L4 cache. I suspect that you never had any intention of buying an Intel processor if lack of eDRAM is really that much of a "deal breaker" for you.

Quit trolling and shilling. Do you really need to post your "Buy a Skylake" ad in this topic like so many others?

Why haven't you accused Peter Bright of Ars, who that article about being disappointed with Skylake because of the lack of EDRAM, of being an AMD fanboy because he's not telling people they should buy Skylake and shut up?

There are legitimate reasons to be less than thrilled with what's available in the market right now, as well as the long delay for Zen.

It's a frustrating time. Intel hasn't delivered a Kaby part that married Skylake's cores with Broadwell C's EDRAM for the best of Broadwell C and Skylake instead of two unpleasant examples of "settling".

Nvidia's prices are high on its high-end GPUs and AMD isn't competing in that sector.

This fall was supposed to be a time of competition, choice, and improved products due to that competition. Instead, it just more "get Skylake and shut up about the drawbacks" or "wait forever for Zen".

It's an annoying situation that goes along with how long we had to wait for 14/16nm to come to GPUs. The speed of tech progress seems to have slowed and, for enthusiasts, isn't hardly ideal. Intel's tactics haven't been all that impressive, either — like selling Devil's Canyon to us based on the promise of substantially-improved TIM (when testing found that nothing had changed). The hype for Skylake, well before it was released, made it sound like it would be the greatest technological advance in a decade. Then it was beaten by a stock i5 Broadwell C in some games.

 

[DrMrLordX]

I agree that AMD is taking too long with Summit Ridge. And Vega.

At least give us some more teaser benchmarks or something.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Quit trolling and shilling. Do you really need to post your "Buy a Skylake" ad in this topic like so many others?

Personal attacks at the outset of an argument never bode well for the quality of the argument. But, I'll let this go in the hopes of some good stuff later in the post.

Why haven't you accused Peter Bright of Ars, who that article about being disappointed with Skylake because of the lack of EDRAM, of being an AMD fanboy because he's not telling people they should buy Skylake and shut up?

You missed the point of my argument. Let me try again.

You said that unless Intel puts eDRAM on their CPUs, you will wait for Zen. I am telling you that Zen CPUs/APUs do not have eDRAM, something that is pretty common knowledge at this point. It would seem to me that you are applying what is called a "double standard" -- in other words, Intel needs to have eDRAM to be interesting to you, but AMD can get a free pass.

That, to me, suggests a potential bias towards AMD products.

There are legitimate reasons to be less than thrilled with what's available in the market right now, as well as the long delay for Zen.

Really now? Processors today are extremely fast and they are not that expensive. 6700K for $340 is a pretty good deal for the kind of performance you can get -- meaningfully faster than prior generation Intel CPUs and leagues ahead of anything AMD currently offers. Why be disappointed?

It's a frustrating time. Intel hasn't delivered a Kaby part that married Skylake's cores with Broadwell C's EDRAM for the best of Broadwell C and Skylake instead of two unpleasant examples of "settling".

If there were a big market for such parts, Intel -- as a profit seeking corporation -- would be happy to produce and sell them because it means more money in their pockets. The fact that they haven't developed such a product means that they don't expect the demand to be there.

A mainstream socketed desktop CPU with eDRAM and a big iGPU just isn't an attractive value proposition for most people, especially since it adds cost and could potentially negatively impact overclocking headroom.

Nvidia's prices are high on its high-end GPUs and AMD isn't competing in that sector.

Even when AMD fielded competitive products, pricing on high-end GPUs has been "high." Fortunately, NVIDIA offers products at just about every relevant price point, so buy to your budget.

This fall was supposed to be a time of competition, choice, and improved products due to that competition. Instead, it just more "get Skylake and shut up about the drawbacks" or "wait forever for Zen".

What drawbacks are there in Skylake? It is the fastest consumer CPU available today for the vast majority of client tasks. What could Intel have reasonably done better, and what do you expect Zen to bring to the table to make it a more compelling product than Skylake?

It's an annoying situation that goes along with how long we had to wait for 14/16nm to come to GPUs. The speed of tech progress seems to have slowed and, for enthusiasts, isn't hardly ideal. Intel's tactics haven't been all that impressive, either — like selling Devil's Canyon to us based on the promise of substantially-improved TIM (when testing found that nothing had changed). The hype for Skylake, well before it was released, made it sound like it would be the greatest technological advance in a decade. Then it was beaten by a stock i5 Broadwell C in some games.

The only hype for desktop Skylake that I can recall was from WCCFTech and Bits 'n Chips, with promises of "MorphCore" and "Biggest Advancement Since Conroe," respectively. For notebooks and the PC market in general Skylake WAS a big deal (Sandy Bridge-style platform level improvement, IMO), but for desktop enthusiasts 6700K was a solid step forward from products that were already extremely good. Not Earth-shattering, but in a mature market like PCs, it's really hard to put anything out that's "disruptive."

 

[jpiniero]

I agree that AMD is taking too long with Summit Ridge. And Vega.

At least give us some more teaser benchmarks or something.

Well, if SR's not coming out until February, there's plenty of time between now and then to do demos of it. Might be in their best interest to wait until more is known about Kaby/Skylake-X.

 

[swilli89]

Nah, latest BenchLife leak + public commentary to investors (surprised that you haven't checked the latest investor deck on AMD's website...) is now Q1 2017. BenchLife in particular says February.

Do you have a link handy for the Benchlife release date info? Googled but it all seems to point to those AoTS scores from a month ago.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Do you have a link handy for the Benchlife release date info? Googled but it all seems to point to those AoTS scores from a month ago.

Ask and you shall receive...

Back Zen architecture "Summit Ridge" section, if there is not much else, then, AMD will be on sale in February 2017 related to the motherboard and processor, now know?

https://benchlife.info/update-for-intel-kaby-lake-and-amd-summit-ridge-09112016/

 

[deasd]

Ask and you shall receive...

https://benchlife.info/update-for-intel-kaby-lake-and-amd-summit-ridge-09112016/

The author use uncertain tone here.
'如果沒有太大意外的話' = if there is not much else = if there's nothing inconsistent with my expectation

 

[Justinbaileyman]

Actually, I am going to change my advice.

Over the last several months, you have asked many people on this forum for help in picking out new computer parts. You have asked many questions, ranging from information about future products to chipset compatibility with future products, and many of us have tried to help you and provide you with the answers that you seek.

You say that you even went ahead and bought a 6700K and that it's sitting there collecting dust because you haven't pulled the trigger on a motherboard or RAM for it. You have now asked us about picking up a potential 6900K (but the deal is gone) versus a Zen 8 core because you are worried about the PCB of the perfectly fine CPU that you've already bought, of all things to be worried about.

Really, and I don't write this to be mean, it seems that you don't want an Intel processor at all from your posts. You want to buy a Zen because you have a preference for AMD. So my recommendation to you is this: take back/sell the 6700K, use whatever you have now, and wait for Zen to arrive.

Then I would suggest you buy the Zen. The longevity of the AM4 platform, which will allow you to continue to buy future AMD processors (since you indicated that you would want to go from SKL->KBL, I assume you would want to go from Zen->Zen+) with the knowledge that the platform you invested in will be supported.

This is not what I would do if it were my money, but it is what I think you want to do with yours. Just own the fact that you want an AMD processor, wait the extra ~5 months or so for Zen to arrive, and buy the product from the vendor that you prefer.

I dont think thats really true . I dont mind intel at all and was in favor of ditching the Skylake 6700k for a larger core count cpu being 6900k or Zen. I did have a chance to go 6900K full setup for $1200 but it fell through. I need one full system for a HTPC and the other for work horse tasks like Media encoding. Keeping the 6700K means that will be put to the encoding job but I would still need a HTPC. Want Zen cause its new and as rumors have it its going to be more budget friendly then intels offerings.. I dont hate intel at all. as a matter of fact I have bounced around for the last 2 years going from AMD 750K to 760K to Intel i7 920 to l5639 to x5650 to E5-2650 to FX-8350 then to E5-2670 and when that died I bought a AMD 5350 to hold me over while I am building my 6700K rig.

 

[swilli89]

Ask and you shall receive...



https://benchlife.info/update-for-intel-kaby-lake-and-amd-summit-ridge-09112016/

Thanks for the link. I'm not sure how confident I am in the source so I guess we can only guess now anywhere between 3 and 5 months for retail release.

My 2500k/motherboard has been acting up lately. I've replaced my primary SSD with a Samsung 480gb EVO and I'm still getting random shutdowns and freezes. I think after 5 years of running its just ready to retire so I'm looking to build at an minimum 6c/12t system around next Spring.

 

[TheELF]

Too bad we still haven't seen a proper EDRAM part.

Yeah but kaby will support 3dxpoint, ~zero access time towards sysmem and even ssd which should give a big boost to the iGPU and performance in general.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Well, if SR's not coming out until February, there's plenty of time between now and then to do demos of it. Might be in their best interest to wait until more is known about Kaby/Skylake-X.

Yes, I wouldn't mind a few more demos as well. They are certainly staying rather quiet about it.

Yeah but kaby will support 3dxpoint.

3DXpoint, where supported, should improve storage performance, but not iGPU performance or anything else. It's slower than DRAM. Don't expect it (alone) to have the same effect on a system as an eDRAM l4 cache.

 

[TheELF]

3DXpoint, where supported, should improve storage performance, but not iGPU performance or anything else. It's slower than DRAM. Don't expect it (alone) to have the same effect on a system as an eDRAM l4 cache.

Yes it will be slower but technically it will be infinite bandwidth, the iGPU will have instant access to any data it needs without the need to copy the data around a few times first,wasn't that why the edram improved performance? It made copying data much faster(well it acted as a cache providing data faster while the rest of the data was still being shuffled around)

 

[lolfail9001]

Yes it will be slower but technically it will be infinite bandwidth, the iGPU will have instant access to any data it needs without the need to copy the data around a few times first,wasn't that why the edram improved performance? It made copying data much faster(well it acted as a cache providing data faster while the rest of the data was still being shuffled around)

Latency of XPoint is still orders of magnitude larger than latency of DRAM, so i don't see why would it provide "instant access" at all. In fact, treat it as faster ssd,that may be used as large capacity RAM, because that's all it is.

 

[TheELF]

Latency of XPoint is still orders of magnitude larger than latency of DRAM, so i don't see why would it provide "instant access" at all. In fact, treat it as faster ssd,that may be used as large capacity RAM, because that's all it is.

As I said
"instant access to any data it needs without the need to copy the data around a few times first"
Not instant as in 0ms time