If you want Quad Cores (Thats what Core i7 6700K is) at $300-350 for the next 10 years yes its not essential to have AMD around
If you want Quad Cores (Thats what Core i7 6700K is) at $300-350 for the next 10 years yes its not essential to have AMD around
They are releasing 6C/12T Coffee Lake for mobile in 1.5 year - and I don't see any pressure/competition from AMD there.
Funny they will release a 6 core mainstream SKU just after ZEN launch when they had the opportunity to do it for more than 3-4 years (2017-2018)
Not a single Zen leak has actually been good. AMD may have produced another Dozer.
Frankly, I'm quite curious to see if they have made any significant power efficiency improvements on the process or the core, or have implemented a much more sophisticated turbo mechanism, because six cores in the same power envelope as a quad core could potentially lead to an unfortunate trade-off in 1-4 core performance.
Frankly, I'm quite curious to see if they have made any significant power efficiency improvements on the process or the core, or have implemented a much more sophisticated turbo mechanism, because six cores in the same power envelope as a quad core could potentially lead to an unfortunate trade-off in 1-4 core performance.
My comment was meant to question the wisdom of taking the leak seriously, I probably should have said so.I wouldn't read too much into GB3, that was a pretty flawed benchmark. I think the best indications we have on Zen performance are the GB4 results as well as the AoTS results.
AMD has built a better core than anything Dozer, so that could help them in a number of markets. But for those expecting AMD to seriously challenge Skylake in terms of per-core performance will, IMHO, be disappointed. Even if you look at AMD's own public statement of +40% IPC over XV, Zen is still likely to be behind Haswell more often than not, and very much behind Skylake.
I think Zen will offer Sandy Bridge/Ivy Bridge levels of performance-per-clock. We already know what clocks AMD is planning to ship Summit Ridge at, the question for enthusiasts/gamers really comes down to -- as jpiniero points out -- how well this thing will overclock. I suspect Intel will have an advantage in this regard with its HEDT chips.
Im also quite curious how Intel's 6-core APUs will perform in Laptops at the same 15-30W TDPs as their Quad Core brothers and not lead to unfortunate trade-off in 1-4 core performance
Im also quite curious how Intel's 6-core APUs will perform in Laptops at the same 15-30W TDPs as their Quad Core brothers and not lead to unfortunate trade-off in 1-4 core performance
A little quick and dirty arithmetic puts the ST perf of that leaked result on par with an old Phenom, assuming linear frequency scaling.
And this mobile version is the main reason we're seeing a core count increase in mainstream desktop, not Summit Ridge.
Actually H2-2017 according to DigiTimes, though early 2018 sounds more likely (1 year after Kaby Lake-S).
So, Desktop 6-core Coffee lake will come first (H2 2017) but its the Laptop 6-Core SKU coming one year later (Q2 2018) thats the reason we have the desktop part ??? is this some form of surrealism or what ??
Actually it s even significantly lower than K10 at same frequency, hence the hopes of some usual suspects, i guess that some runs for some money will be experimented by the same candidates..
https://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/8073317?baseline=8076878
It's funny how you call AMD's advertisements a "leak", not to mention it beat >underclocked< HW-E.Because the only leak that seemed to use a functional chip did show it beat HW-E in a FP heavy regular application...
As for AMD producing an uncompetitive chip, why not mortgage your home and massively short the stock if you are so sure..?..
Don't you think this kind of explains the additional delays though? Could be kind of annoying if you have to use the absolute latest OS/VM/etc in order to get reasonable performance.
At this point the chip is already in its final stepping and what is currently under validation is the full plateform, hence some Geekbench submission, but since 6 months are left before the first server chips are launched it s not in AMD s interest to disclose anything about the final perfs, that explain those weird results in respect of what should be displayed, FI Zen should exhibit more than 40% perf/clock advantage over Piledriver based Zambezi chips in GeekBench, wich is not the case at all with those numbers.
Not a single Zen leak has actually been good. AMD may have produced another Dozer.
It's probably going to be more than 6 months now before you see Zen Server. Maybe more like 6 from when Summit Ridge actually ships.
It could be easily explained by the MCM crippling performance one way or another. Could be software or hardware.
Somethings in the geekbench results look odd others align. in GB4 ST perf per clock is ~= a 2processor 22core E5 while having the extra latency of 32 cores 2 processor. But that doesn't align to your agenda now does it , or is that just your lack of knowledge of how things like cache coherency actually work?
I picked the E5 with the best MT score when i did my comparision
https://browser.primatelabs.com/v4/cpu/45716
but then look at the sub score differences between your one and my one and you will see the likely difference is memory speed. So what speed memory is Zen running?