AMD server roadmap 2014

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AMD's first ARM coretex A57 CPU is codenamed Seattle, is expected to debut in 2014. A fully HSA-compliant CPU and APU lineup codenamed Berlin will feature x86 Steamroller cores, and Warsaw promises to improve perf/w over existing Piledriver based Opteron 6300 series.

AMD today publicly disclosed its strategy and roadmap to recapture market share in enterprise and data center servers by unveiling innovative products that address key technologies and meet the requirements of the fastest-growing data center and cloud computing workloads.

Additionally, AMD revealed details of its 2014 server portfolio including best-in-class Accelerated Processing Units (APUs), two- and four-socket CPUs, and details on what it expects to be the industry's premier ARM server processor. This is on the heels of announcing the general availability of the AMD Opteron™ X-Series processor, code named "Kyoto," which dominates the small-core server market on every performance benchmark. These forthcoming AMD Opteron™ processors bring important innovations to the rapidly changing compute market, including integrated CPU and GPU compute (APU); high core-count ARM servers for high-density compute in the data center; and substantial improvements in compute per-watt per-dollar and total cost of ownership.

"Our strategy is to differentiate ourselves by using our unique IP to build server processors that are particularly well matched to a target workload and thereby drive down the total cost of owning servers. This strategy unfolds across both the enterprise and data centers and includes leveraging our graphics processing capabilities and embracing both x86 and ARM instruction sets," said Andrew Feldman, general manager of the Server Business Unit, AMD. "AMD led the world in the transition to multicore processors and 64-bit computing, and we intend to do it again with our next-generation AMD Opteron families."

In 2014, AMD will set the bar in power-efficient server compute with the industry's premier ARM server CPU. The 64-bit CPU, code named "Seattle," is based on ARM Cortex™-A57 cores and is expected to provide category-leading throughput as well as setting the bar in performance-per-watt.

AMD will also deliver a best-in-class APU, code named "Berlin." "Berlin" is an x86 CPU and APU, based on a new generation of cores named "Steamroller." Designed to double the performance of the recently available "Kyoto" part, "Berlin" will offer extraordinary compute-per-watt that will enable massive rack density.

The third processor announced today is code named "Warsaw," AMD's next-generation 2P/4P offering. It is optimized to handle the heavily virtualized workloads found in enterprise environments including the more complex compute needs of data analytics, xSQL and traditional databases. "Warsaw" will provide significantly improved performance-per-watt over today's AMD Opteron™ 6300 family.

Seattle
"Seattle" will be the industry's only 64-bit ARM-based server SoC from a proven server processor supplier. "Seattle" is an 8- and then 16-core CPU based on the ARM Cortex-A57 core and is expected to run at or greater than 2 GHz. The "Seattle" processor is expected to offer 2-4X the performance of AMD's recently announced AMD Opteron X-Series processor with significant improvement in compute-per-watt. It will deliver 128GB DRAM support, extensive offload engines for better power efficiency and reduced CPU loading, server caliber encryption, and compression and legacy networking including integrated 10GbE. It will be the first processor from AMD to integrate AMD's advanced Freedom™ Fabric for dense compute systems directly onto the chip. AMD plans to sample "Seattle" in the first quarter of 2014 with production in the second half of the year.

Berlin
"Berlin" is an x86-based processor that will be available both as a CPU and APU. The processor boasts four next-generation "Steamroller" cores and will offer almost 8X the gigaflops per-watt compared to current AMD Opteron™ 6386SE processor. It will be the first server APU built on AMD's revolutionary Heterogeneous System Architecture (HSA), which enables uniform memory access for the CPU and GPU and makes programming as easy as C++. "Berlin" will offer extraordinary compute per-watt that enables massive rack density. It is expected to be available in the first half of 2014.


Warsaw
"Warsaw" is an enterprise server CPU optimized to deliver unparalleled performance and total cost of ownership for two- and four-socket servers. Designed for enterprise workloads, it will offer improved performance-per-watt, which drives down the cost of owning a "Warsaw"-based server while enabling seamless migration from the AMD Opteron 6300 Series family. It is a fully compatible socket with identical software certifications, making it ideal for the AMD Open 3.0 Server -- the industry's most cost effective Open Compute platform. It is expected to be available in the first quarter of 2014.

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AMD published their server line up for 2014.

- No single die Piledriver for their server line up in 2014. Looks like nobody wants them, and they will be forfeiting this market for the time being. They will be pushing MCM piledriver, a very nichy line, probably for fulfill commitments and allow upgrades.

- They are going to push Kaveri for workstations, maybe into very low cost servers. Still, they are out of the mainstream server market.

- Despite the hype, Jaguar for servers will be superseeded by ARM. They either don't believe that Jaguar will be a hit or they don't think they can compete against Silvermont/Airmont.

Line up is here:

http://community.amd.com/community/...cts-to-shake-up-the-enterprise-market-in-2014
 

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http://www.anandtech.com/show/7079/amd-evolving-fast-to-survive-in-the-server-market-jungle-/5

It's more likely to be due to the huge improvement of the ARM cores. Note that the slide says 2-4x performance, not performance per Watt.



The combined AMD, ARM and Seamicro technology inside AMD’s new Seattle CPU look extremely promising: these are probably the best specs of a micro server CPU we have seen so far. And since all the right components are now in place, it looks like the micro server is ready for prime time
 

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It's more likely to be due to the huge improvement of the ARM cores. Note that the slide says 2-4x performance, not performance per Watt.

They are saying significant improved performance per watt, but 2-4X the performance of the X series. Sounds more like an scaling issue, ARM chips will have significantly higher frequencies/TDP but better performance/watt. I wouldn't be surprised by that, as Jaguar goes up to 25W, a really low number for servers. Bring 50-90W SKUs and this changes.

We also don't know how Jaguar was designed. When going to 8 from 4 cores, Intel has to put a huge QPI ring on its Xeon processors because otherwise they would have problems scaling up the core numbers. Jaguar as we know might have some scaling issues beyond 8 cores, something that vanilla A57 might not have.
 

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So to summon up.

AMD3+ is dead. FM socket for everything 1P.
AMD will now go from 3-4% in the server space to sub 1%.
 

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Wow, so no Steamroller-based 2P/4P Opterons in 2014? 12-core IB-EP and 14-core Haswell-EP will smoke these 12/16-core Piledriver chips.
This kinda explain why there wont be a Steamroller-based FX CPU for desktops anytime soon. Even server APUs will have up to 4-core (no 6-core model as some predicted). Damn, some people were already predicting 6M/12-core Steamroller-based FXs >4GHz, sadly it wont happen.
 

ShintaiDK

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Wow, so no Steamroller-based 2P/4P Opterons in 2014? 12-core IB-EP and 14-core Haswell-EP will smoke these 12/16-core Piledriver chips.
This kinda explain why there wont be a Steamroller-based FX CPU for desktops anytime soon. Even server APUs will have up to 4-core (no 6-core model as some predicted). Damn, some people were already predicting 6M/12-core Steamroller-based FXs >4GHz, sadly it wont happen.

AMDs new topline desktop will be a 2M/4T APU.
 

mrmt

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Wow, so no Steamroller-based 2P/4P Opterons in 2014? 12-core IB-EP and 14-core Haswell-EP will smoke these 12/16-core Piledriver chips.

I think they are providing those for *very* cheap upgrades for buyers of Bulldozer servers, like those sold by Cray. That's a commercial strategy: At least stay with the customer, throw him some bone, keep the relationship going. It's the kind of strategy that a commercial CEO like Rory Read would push.

It's easier to sell something for your customer when he is already using one of your products.
 

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AMDs new topline desktop will be a 2M/4T APU.

Which is not surprising at all as they announced they have no interested in chasing the performance crown. And given the limited resources they must focus. IMHO they are still not focused enough, Richland was a waste of time.

What does "Sampling in Q1 2014" mean?
 

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AMD published their server line up for 2014.

- No single die Piledriver for their server line up in 2014. Looks like nobody wants them, and they will be forfeiting this market for the time being. They will be pushing MCM piledriver, a very nichy line, probably for fulfill commitments and allow upgrades.

- They are going to push Kaveri for workstations, maybe into very low cost servers. Still, they are out of the mainstream server market.

- Despite the hype, Jaguar for servers will be superseeded by ARM. They either don't believe that Jaguar will be a hit or they don't think they can compete against Silvermont/Airmont.

Line up is here:

http://community.amd.com/community/...cts-to-shake-up-the-enterprise-market-in-2014

It looks like a realistic plan for a change. And by far the best server roadmap for 6 years. Not that a huge pot of gold is waiting for them. They are catering for the low end.

AMD have no products for the mainstream market.

Facelifted piledrivers makes perfect sense. Its good economics for all, but it marks the exit of the mainstream market. I dont think at all the reason is keeping relationsships. It doesnt matter in sales any more, - its an old myth from before the financial crisis. What matters is only business, and in this case that the watt/perf inefficiency of piledriver is ofset by the cheap upgrade for the total TCO compared to other solutions like eg. a new system.

Jaguar will have no advantage against the new Atoms, unless you use the FPU or APU part. Its a very, very small niche market then.

Whatever AMD could intend to push with SR here, Intel would just accelerate their roadmap. As it is they have plenty in reserve, and are just milking the market.

Berlin will probably be delegated to the buttom also, and for those who can use the APU. Small niche market also.

The elephant in the room is abvious ARM wrapped in all the all important tech. What is happening with the microserver market in the future, what will be the role of ARM here?

You can be certain that Intel have all their focus here, because they know their own history when the dinosauers like IBM was hit in the late nienties. This looks like perfect business thinking in my world, small risk building on existing tech, potential huge future advantage.

(edit: excellent read of Johan as always - its nice he writes for Anandtech)
 
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Which is not surprising at all as they announced they have no interested in chasing the performance crown. And given the limited resources they must focus. IMHO they are still not focused enough, Richland was a waste of time.

What does "Sampling in Q1 2014" mean?

Other than it means that AMD's chip is a year late since "Avoton" has been sampling since 1Q 2013?

It means that AMD plans to be sending out initial parts to potential customers for evaluation.
 

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Can anyone explain why they are releasing a Piledriver server if they already have steamroller? Isn't Steamroller ment to be better?
 

NTMBK

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Can anyone explain why they are releasing a Piledriver server if they already have steamroller? Isn't Steamroller ment to be better?

They have a Steamroller APU, but no big die Steamroller. (i.e. no 4 module part with no GPU)
 

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They are saying significant improved performance per watt, but 2-4X the performance of the X series. Sounds more like an scaling issue, ARM chips will have significantly higher frequencies/TDP but better performance/watt. I wouldn't be surprised by that, as Jaguar goes up to 25W, a really low number for servers. Bring 50-90W SKUs and this changes.

We also don't know how Jaguar was designed. When going to 8 from 4 cores, Intel has to put a huge QPI ring on its Xeon processors because otherwise they would have problems scaling up the core numbers. Jaguar as we know might have some scaling issues beyond 8 cores, something that vanilla A57 might not have.

My guess is that the 8-16 A57 core dies will in fact be non-cache coherent clusters of 4 cores each with Seamicro interconnect on die.
 

Ancalagon44

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If they had a 4 module Steamroller part, they would be selling it in the server market. They aren't, so they don't.

Why dont they make one? They are still working on SR now, so if they wanted to, they could make a 4m SR.
 
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