Intel has been smoother in my experience. It's like going from charcoal filter to quadruple distilled.
Placebo?The first computer I ever built was a AMD Duron 750Mhz, and I loved it. Weirdly I ended up going with intel later (3.4Ghz P4 Northwood). My last AMD processor was an 8150, and IMO it did feel smoother than my current 4960HQ, but I have no idea why.
Placebo?
Other people say they have the "smoothest" experience with Intel, so maybe there's something in the execution process of Intel processors that make them feel faster, even though they already have the highest benchmarks.Possibly, however I really do think there is something in the execution process for AMD that makes them FEEL faster, even when they aren't.
Clock speed is only 1 part of the equation, microarchitecture is the other. Those few 100MHz only take a small fraction of a second, and in the same time, your i7 has already also done something like 90MHz too.My 8150 was running at 4.8Ghz so maybe the super high clock speed helps, or maybe the i7 really does do stuff so fast it feels less smooth.
Intel doesn't have financial problems, and their market share is solid.EDIT: BTW I really think intel is shooting themselves in the foot when the cheapest overclockable processor is $220 (4670K). Wanna overclock a new intel processor but don't have thousands to spend? TOO BAD LOL
Other people say they have the "smoothest" experience with Intel, so maybe there's something in the execution process of Intel processors that make them feel faster, even though they already have the highest benchmarks.
Clock speed is only 1 part of the equation, microarchitecture is the other. Those few 100MHz only take a small fraction of a second, and in the same time, your i7 has already also done something like 90MHz too.
Intel doesn't have financial problems, and their market share is solid.
I don't buy processors so three years from now I can look at benchmarks and say "well that's not bad for a 3yo processor". I buy processors because they work well, they're fun to overclock, and most of all to play games. Intel takes the fun out off all of their lower their processors because THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU. Intel doesn't need gamers, and they know that, so they locked all their low end processors. I think it's funny that you're so all about intel when it's apparent they're laughing all the way to the bank.I've actually NEVER heard of the AMD is smoother "common perception".
As for intel's cheapest overclocking processor at $220? That's PEANUTS when I consider the longevity of intel's processors. Considering nehalem users are just now considering upgrades and sandybridge owners only upgrade because "I need the next best thing!" having a processor that can be considered top of the line for 4-5 years for 200-300 is WORTH IT to me.
Great, I can OC my AMD processor YAY!
You think Phenom users from 2010 are as happy as Nehalem users are right now?
Or that AMD FX 8100 from 2011 users are as happy as Sandybridge owners are?
Both years of users would be INSANE to not realize that if they had simply spent $70 more a couple years back they wouldn't need to perform a couple hundred dollar upgrade right now. And right now, it only REALLY makes sense to purchase intel processors anyway since AMD has discontinued the FX line and the FX line will last you what? 1 year tops from now if you purchase it now? Maybe 2? Compared to the 3-4 years you'll get MINIMUM from a 4670k?
Ya, I don't think intel is shooting itself in the foot nor the users who spent an extra $70 to pick it up.
The most AMUSING part is you claim to own the FX-8150 yet don't have it listed on ANY of the 4 PCs you own on your signature. Yet you kept a Core 2 Duo from 2010. That's the longevity of Intel processors right there. You got rid of your FX-8150 yet there are tons of users on SandyBridge right now with ZERO reason to upgrade.
I've never heard a single person say that Intel is "smoother" until this thread. I've heard people say its faster, but it's a common perception that AMD is smoother. This whole "people also think intel is smooth!" stuff came out of this thread, mostly from you.
Intel will never have the kind of community support that AMD has by gouging customers. It has everything to do with ethics and nothing to do with finances.
What do you mean by inexpensive multitasking? CMT designs have worse performance/area than comparable designs, meaning that it will have higher production costs, and they lived a lot of time inside R&D pipeline of both Sun and AMD, meaning that it needed *a lot* more R&D funding than comparable non-CMT designs.
Sun didn't even bother to launch their CMT product, with Larry Ellison lambasting the project with this:
AMD did indeed launch their CMT design, but it doesn't mean much. AMD never had margins so low in their CPU business since their started fielding their own designs and they lost share in every single segment where they fielded their CMT designs. The fact that AMD has to sell these chips very cheap is only a symptom of the overall weakness of the product, not a feature derived from the design choice.
In fact all the supposed economic benefits of CMT are purely theoretical. Everyone who tried the thing failed miserably, and the leaders of every computer segment (ARM, Intel, IBM), who actually had the resources to experiment with the concept didn't even bother with it. In fact, Andy Glew, the father of the concept inside AMD, worked for Intel before and couldn't make the concept take roots there, we can only wonder why.
Agreed. In any side by side comparison i've seen or done personally on my own, or letting friends compare, it's always the AMD system that is claimed to be more responsive. As said in other places, it's likely to do with either intel's hyperthreading or their terrible graphics and drivers. Whatever it is, there's something in there that's causing lag/microstutter. Even fractions of a second is enough to produce a perceivable stutter.
Agreed. In any side by side comparison i've seen or done personally on my own, or letting friends compare, it's always the AMD system that is claimed to be more responsive. As said in other places, it's likely to do with either intel's hyperthreading or their terrible graphics and drivers. Whatever it is, there's something in there that's causing lag/microstutter. Even fractions of a second is enough to produce a perceivable stutter.
from my experience i7-4600u haswell notebook feels smoother/snappier than my (other) older a10-4600m cheap gaming laptop did, both running crucial m4 ssds... probably because of superior ST performance? thats a very subjective impression though
Intel beats AMD on benchmarks. No dispute from me. But 2 years ago when I switched from an AMD X4 950 to an i7 2600k, I noticed the system wasn't as smooth or fluid feeling. Has anyone else suspected that while Intel is faster, the AMD seems to run more fluidly and smoother? I am thinking about switching to an FX-6350 or FX-8350.
CMT is a design decision that involves doing some previous steps to making it work. Before Haswell, Int and FP pipelines where tightly integrated, until they made a decision towards AMD's path and now you can see more of a decoupled approach.
Using your rather simplistic logic, that means they will adopt a CMT approach soon! Who would have guessed :whiste:
PS: By inexpensive multithreading, I was obviously implying for my wallet. Unlike stockholders, that is the only one I should worry about.
Because people buying Intel have no need to engage in telling Fairy Tales.I've never heard a single person say that Intel is "smoother" until this thread.
Something like 0.005% of computer users making dubious claims, does not make for a common perception.I've heard people say its faster, but it's a common perception that AMD is smoother.
Community Support?Intel will never have the kind of community support that AMD has by gouging customers. It has everything to do with ethics and nothing to do with finances.
Because people buying Intel have no need to engage in telling Fairy Tales.
Something like 0.005% of computer users making dubious claims, does not make for a common perception.
Community Support?
What greater community support can a company have, than for people to buy its products?
Perhaps you should check out the respective marketshare of Intel & AMD and rethink the whole community support thing again.
Could we get a link for the bullcrap you posted about AMD being known to be smoother?Thanks for telling me I engage in fairytales, although from the looks of it other people agree with me. I'm not sure where you got the .005% figure, could I get a link?
Intel takes the fun out off all of their lower their processors because THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU.
When a 4670K is available for well under $300, why are you talking about thousands of dollars?Intel has shot itself in the foot because it's become an elitist product that isn't made for enthusiasts who are unwilling to fork over thousands of dollars.
If people aren't buying new Intel CPU's, how then are Intel fleecing more money off people?Isn't great that intel forces people to sit on a 2 year old architecture jus two they can fleece more money off you?
You should have a good hard look at those other people.Thanks for telling me I engage in fairytales, although from the looks of it other people agree with me.
I'm not sure where you got the .005% figure, could I get a link?
As would I, because that is how it is supposed to work.Marketshare has nothing to do with community. Intel users (like me!) would drop intel in a heartbeat if AMD was unequivocally the best.
AMD users are far more loyal, just look at these forums.
If people aren't buying new Intel CPU's, how then are Intel fleecing more money off people?
CHADBOGA said:You should have a good hard look at those other people.
TreVader said:AMD users are far more loyal, just look at these forums.
TreVader said:Fleecing is overcharging. Look at the benchmarks between the 4960X and the 4770K and tell me that the extra $700 is worth it.
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Fleecing is overcharging. Look at the benchmarks between the 4960X and the 4770K and tell me that the extra $700 is worth it.
The 4670K is a midrange processor, so obviously it's not going to be $1000. Look at the 4960X. Also, you should consider the cost of the motherboard. A really good LGA2011 board is $500, so basically 1500 for cpu/mobo when you get almost as good performance from the $400 combo of the 8350 and mono.
You seem to be confusing marketshare with support. Please re-read my last post, I have an explanation for why intel doesn't actually have support.
Do you own and AMD machine? Have you ever owned one? I own both.
No one is forcing anyone to buy the 4960X and you seem to forget that it is Intel supplying the 4770K.Fleecing is overcharging. Look at the benchmarks between the 4960X and the 4770K and tell me that the extra $700 is worth it.
Stop your strawman of comparing the 8350 with the LGA2011 CPU's.The 4670K is a midrange processor, so obviously it's not going to be $1000. Look at the 4960X. Also, you should consider the cost of the motherboard. A really good LGA2011 board is $500, so basically 1500 for cpu/mobo when you get almost as good performance from the $400 combo of the 8350 and mono.
You seem to be confusing marketshare with support. Please re-read my last post, I have an explanation for why intel doesn't actually have support.