AMD Smoother than Intel?

[piesquared]

:whiste:

Oh you think you're on to something! lol Nice try, but that would be personal experience with other peoples computers I worked on, as stated.

 

[Haserath]

A few searches:
http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-reality-check-at-fx-gamexperience_1838
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2715/10

When it came to actual game play experiences, we thought the Phenom II 940 was clearly the better choice in Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts and Crysis Warhead due to minimum frame rate advantages and fluidity of game play. In the five other titles, we could not tell any real differences in the quality of game play between the Phenom II 940 and Core 2 Quad Q9550. Except for Far Cry 2 where we could raise the graphic quality settings without affecting game play, the i7 platform was no different than our two other solutions.

The first link to Bulldozer vs Sandy Bridge shows that AMD chosen games can make them competitive and perhaps 'smoother'.

Then there is the Phenom II vs Penryn/Nehalem. Under graphics limited settings(and for some reason in CoH), Phenom II was actually able to be a bit better for whatever reason, and their CPU performance being lower helped bring down max frame rate.

I don't know about reviews where AMD is smoother than Intel in Windows.

Intel will be faster whenever you are CPU limited by a single core.

 

[piesquared]

Do you think personal experience cannot be skewed or biased?

In blind tests? That would be difficult. Anandtech reviewer? If anything, I would think it would be the opposite. Personal experience? The responsive i've noticed is quite obvious, as was it to the people i've asked, who have for the most part no clue about the difference between a harddrive and RAM. If peoples personal experiences are different, why not just say so instead of attacking my opinion??

 

[Bolshoi Booze]

Oh you think you're on to something! lol Nice try, but that would be personal experience with other peoples computers I worked on, as stated.

Well my personal experience tells me otherwise.. 15w tdp i7 haswell totally walks over 35w a10-4600m .. I dont usually mess with desktops but that was my impression last year as well (i5 3570k vs FX8320 system).. i usually work with lots of javascript heavy tabs under chrome + itunes + photoshop and few other apps and i can definitelly notice how more responsive the intel system is.. once I did add an SSD to both systems the difference was far more evident.. you just cant match their very good single-thread performance with a bunch of weaker cores, even though the APU system is quite sweet for light gaming (I'm not gaming most of the time anyway)..

most people I know had switched from AMD to Intel after Phenom II and didnt look back, you cant argue smoothness against faster and more power efficient chips

 

[videogames101]

I'm glad I started this thread. It confirms what I have suspected all along.

After reading this thread, I also noticed that every poster whom voiced their
experiences of AMD being smoother in day-to-day operation was met with
an onslaught of ridicule by people who went out of their way to reply without
any class.

Hat's off to all those who responded to the onslaught of ridicule with "class".

get back to me with DPC latency measurements dude, stop spouting this personal experience stuff

 

[mrmt]

Just some of the issues with BAPCo. Now i'm guessing your first response will be something like: 'pff how long ago was that again?', but the important part is that intel still controls BAPCo, and I don't think too many people believe intel's corporate culture has changed much if any. No company is going to support such a biased, deceitful scheme. AMD, NV and Via had no choice but to stick with it because it was the standard, and corporates/businesses used it to evaluate their purchases. When they bailed, they had to bail together.

Do you know that you are quoting a complaint, not a sentence, don't you? Whatever is written there is just the opinion of the plaintiff, not the opinion of a judge or any other entity judging the merit of the complaint. Paper accepts everything.

But... wait, are you saying that AMD stayed for 11 years AFTER knowing that BAPCO was completely rigged, and even having the opportunity to bail out when their clout on the x86 was on its zenith, they choose to bail out when fielding one of the biggest disasters of the CPU industry?

 

[PPB]

Meanwhile the usual suspects start spilling all their billis against the OP in this thread, I can assign a dedicated core to run procon bf3/4 console while the other 7 are used to play the actual game. Try to do that without incurring into some serious cpu stalls in the game on an i5, or the console itself choking when running on an HT thread on an i7.

Its ironict that people base their buying decisions on benchs of single tasking, yet they end up mostly on different kinds of multitasking scenarios with it. Those people will never understand AMD CPU's true value proposition.

 

[piesquared]

Do you know that you are quoting a complaint, not a sentence, don't you? Whatever is written there is just the opinion of the plaintiff, not the opinion of a judge or any other entity judging the merit of the complaint. Paper accepts everything.

But... wait, are you saying that AMD stayed for 11 years AFTER knowing that BAPCO was completely rigged, and even having the opportunity to bail out when their clout on the x86 was on its zenith, they choose to bail out when fielding one of the biggest disasters of the CPU industry?

Hmm I think i'm quoting a complaint and a sentence. Didn't know they were mutualy exclusive. lol Unfortunately for your premise, anyone and I mean anyone, familiar with the matter knows exactly how intel manipulated and conned the industry with BAPCo. It doesn't matter how much propaganda you spew, the facts will remain.

As I stated, BAPCo was the industry standard for corporations and businesses to base their purchasing decisions on. Leaving the orginazation was a last alternative, but AMD, Via and NV had no other choice. Leaving at the same time gave them clout to bury BAPCo in a grave where it belongs. Dude, facts and history are on my side, you've got lies, propaganda and FUD.

 

[Tom80112]

get back to me with DPC latency measurements dude, stop spouting this personal experience stuff

This from a guy who just speculated that I created an account 5 years
ago just so that I could wait 5 years then log in to write this thread..

 

[ocre]

A few searches:
http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-reality-check-at-fx-gamexperience_1838
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2715/10



The first link to Bulldozer vs Sandy Bridge shows that AMD chosen games can make them competitive and perhaps 'smoother'.

Then there is the Phenom II vs Penryn/Nehalem. Under graphics limited settings(and for some reason in CoH), Phenom II was actually able to be a bit better for whatever reason, and their CPU performance being lower helped bring down max frame rate.

I don't know about reviews where AMD is smoother than Intel in Windows.

Intel will be faster whenever you are CPU limited by a single core.

Did you know that the Core 2 was running on a very aged Front Side Bus? Did you know the per core ipc of the phenom2 was very close to that of the core 2, much closer than bulldozer vs Haswell.

The FSB served intel well for years but it was nowhere near as fast as the imc and hypertransport. Any memory benchmark back then would show how severe the situation was. It was amassing how well Intel was able to do with such limited bandwidth. But comparing those chips, the Phenom2 had a real advantage in bandwidth and it is not surprising that this would shine through from time to time.

Today, no such limitations exist. Intel no longer relies on a FSB and are not at the disadvantage when it comes to memory bandwidth.

As for the OP, I cannot say what his personal experiences have been. But i could say that there is much more to a system than the CPU. Surely if you put a slow 5000rpm IDE harddrive in a haswell system and blistering fast sata3 SSD in an AMD FX (or an A10 for all that matter), the system with the SSD will feel more responsive at times. I mean his claims do not mean a lot.

If i had experienced smoother performance on the AMD system, I would be looking into what could be wrong with the intel one. A bad memory module or disk errors, so many things can cause studder. I would be hard at investigating it, memtest, event logs, etc - I would find the answer. If there is really a noticeable lag on the intel system, something should be causing it.

But then dont underestimate the power of ones imagination either. As I could have guessed some of the ones that chime in claiming they seen this as well. I mean no harm by this but they are very actively pro-AMD. Seeing their support in this is something I would expect. Nothing wrong with having your preference. But that mindset can skew your experience. This is actually the reason we have to collect real data in a scientific way. Because humans have a vivid imagination which can drastically alter ones experience. Once mankind realized the need for real data and actual proof, we entered a period of extreme technological advancement. Otherwise known as the the modern age.

 

[amenx]

If one can notice something "smoother" than the other, it would have to be measurable in some way (latency) or other and certainly would be made a huge issue of by so many reviewers and tech sites. Any reviewer worth his salt would have looked into it as it would be a big story not easy to ignore. But. Nothing there. The likelihood of imagination or placebo (based on wishful thinking) would seem to me a far greater probability at play here than anything else.

 

[Phynaz]

I'm glad I started this thread. It confirms what I have suspected all along.

After reading this thread, I also noticed that every poster whom voiced their
experiences of AMD being smoother in day-to-day operation was met with
an onslaught of ridicule by people who went out of their way to reply without
any class.

Hat's off to all those who responded to the onslaught of ridicule with "class".

So you admit you started this as a troll thread.

 

[Phynaz]

My Join Date: May 2009.
How can I fake that?
You really can't be this dumb can you?

And you said other people didn't have any class. :whiste:

 

[TreVader]

And you said other people didn't have any class. :whiste:

He's right



Why don't you stop trying to Ad-hominem people and instead present some sort of evidence. It's obvious that many people here agree with OP (including myself) and I've heard of this topic before. AMD is legit smoother than Intel, that's what the evidence shows.

 

[Tom80112]

So you admit you started this as a troll thread.

Not at all. After living with the 2600k for 2 years, I wanted to see if anyone else
had a suspicion that the AMD was smoother. But I sure see you good at making
accusations. That makes you a troll yes?

 

[Tom80112]

And you said other people didn't have any class.

It was an honest question after being attacked for no good reason.
And I see you jumped on that bandwagon as well..

 

[Bolshoi Booze]

He's right



Why don't you stop trying to Ad-hominem people and instead present some sort of evidence. It's obvious that many people here agree with OP (including myself) and I've heard of this topic before. AMD is legit smoother than Intel, that's what the evidence shows.

how can you ask for evidence if you didnt present any to support your claims? all we got till now are personal opinions from half a dozen pro AMD/Intel guys. As lots of users already said, many things influence system performance.. cpu is only one part of the equation :whiste:

also, if you look at this thread's posts, quite a few users had better subjective experience with intel systems too ...so there's not a consensus here

 

[videogames101]

This from a guy who just speculated that I created an account 5 years
ago just so that I could wait 5 years then log in to write this thread..

yeah, and this guy is telling you to come back with measurements to back up your claims - it's not like it's hard to measure

http://www.resplendence.com/latencymon

http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml

 

[videogames101]

Meanwhile the usual suspects start spilling all their billis against the OP in this thread, I can assign a dedicated core to run procon bf3/4 console while the other 7 are used to play the actual game. Try to do that without incurring into some serious cpu stalls in the game on an i5, or the console itself choking when running on an HT thread on an i7.

Its ironict that people base their buying decisions on benchs of single tasking, yet they end up mostly on different kinds of multitasking scenarios with it. Those people will never understand AMD CPU's true value proposition.

I remember when I had to assign dedicated cores... :biggrin:

 

[Tom80112]

yeah, and this guy is telling you to come back with measurements to back up your claims - it's not like it's hard to measure

http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml

You never answered my question on line 3 of post 163.

 

[mrmt]

Hmm I think i'm quoting a complaint and a sentence. Didn't know they were mutualy exclusive. lol Unfortunately for your premise, anyone and I mean anyone, familiar with the matter knows exactly how intel manipulated and conned the industry with BAPCo. It doesn't matter how much propaganda you spew, the facts will remain.

Nope, you are NOT quoting a judge sentence but merely a complaint, and they ARE mutually exclusive. That you cannot distinguish one from another tells a lot about your understanding of the subject. Btw, posting a complaint as if it was a judge sentence is what I call propaganda. Wish I could laugh of that.

 

[2is]

After reading this thread, I also noticed that every poster whom voiced their
experiences of AMD being smoother in day-to-day operation was met with
an onslaught of ridicule by people who went out of their way to reply without
any class.

There's a very simple reason for that... it's BS. Being tolerant or being the source of BS doesn't make you classy.

 

[Captante]

I use systems with an FX-8350 @ 4.2 & an I7-4770k @ 4.3 with otherwise very similar specs aside from the gpu. (at the moment the FX has a GTX-680 & the I7 has a GTX-570)

Although there are certain circumstances under which one system is considerably faster then the other (most often in games obviously due to gpu) 98% of the time if I didn't know which one I was using I wouldn't be able to tell by the seat of my pants. Both are extremely fast & "smooth" whatever that means!

Benchmarks are one thing and obviously favor Intel by a wide margin in just about everything but I've come to believe that in the real world the differences are nowhere near the extremes we here at AT like to think.

Frankly my backup gaming box sports an Athlon X2 6400/GTX-550ti combo and its still completely usable for most stuff.

 

[videogames101]

You never answered my question on line 3 of post 163.

If indeed you have a point in this thread you could silence anyone calling BS on it by taking measurements like I've described.

Protip.

 

[F1shF4t]

I upgraded from a 1090T to a 2500k and my experience was largely the same as when I changed from a P4C to an A64. In heavy threaded workloads the 1090T felt much more "smoother" (if you must) and more responsive. However where single threaded performance mattered (for example an extreme case like skyrim) the 2500k was king.