AMD Stocks fall?

Platypus

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NEW YORK (AP) - A revenue warning from Advanced Micro Devices gave investors another reason to question the economic recovery Wednesday, and prompted them to unload stocks once again.


The latest pullback followed two straight days of steep declines, which saw the Nasdaq composite and Standard & Poor's 500 indexes close below the lows that followed the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. The Nasdaq also recorded a new five-year closing low on Tuesday.

At midday, the Dow Jones industrial average was down 48.79, or 0.5 percent, at 8,958.96, after falling 102.04 on Tuesday, its second straight triple-digit decline.

The broader market also sank. The Nasdaq fell 7.17, or 0.5 percent, to 1,350.75, having lost 45.95 Tuesday and closing below its post-Sept. 11 low of 1,423.19 on Monday. The Nasdaq has not finished as low as it did Tuesday since May 19, 1997.

The S&P 500 declined 6.00, or 0.6 percent, to 942.09, after falling 20.56 Tuesday and closing below its post-Sept. 11 low of 965.80.

Investors have been selling stocks for six weeks on a string of accounting scandals that have made them question whether to believe the earnings that companies report.

"The earnings worries are a function of the accounting worries," said Stephen Carl, head of equity trading at The Williams Capital Group.

A series of debacles at companies such as WorldCom, Tyco, ImClone Systems, Global Crossing, and Adelphia Communications have reduced investors' already waning confidence in the market.

"I think it is going to be a slow process for investors to get back to giving solid buy orders," Carl said. "You are going to see traders and bottom fishers come in for attractive prices. But that will be a short-term pop and things will return where they are now."

Thursday's Independence Day holiday, for which the market will be closed, also contributed to the selling. Investors were wary of holding onto stocks ahead of the long weekend. On Friday, the market will be open for a half day of trading.

Chip maker AMD fell 81 cents to $7.99 after lowering its second-quarter sales estimate to $600 million from the previous expected range of $620 million to $700 million.

Other tech losers included Scientific-Atlanta, which fell 69 cents to $13.38 on news it was cutting 1,300 jobs in Mexico. Genesis Microchip tumbled 92 cents to $6.43 after Prudential downgraded it to "hold" from "buy."

Investors also sold off blue chips, putting the Dow industrials below the 9,000 level. The Dow has not closed below 9,000 since Oct. 2 when it was recovering from big drops following the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. Prior to the attacks, the Dow's last close below 9,000 occurred Dec. 21, 1998.

Procter & Gamble dropped $1.61 to $87.67, General Electric fell 70 cents to $27.40, and American Express stumbled 75 cents to $36.08.

Wednesday's economic news was mixed. Orders to U.S. factories rose 0.7 percent in May, according to the Commerce Department ( news - web sites). The increase was slightly better than analysts were expecting.

But the Institute of Supply Management reported that its non-manufacturing index fell to 57.2 in May, a bigger-than-expected decline.

Declining issues outnumbered advancers more than 5 to 2 on the New York Stock Exchange ( news - web sites). Volume came to 676.88 million shares, below the 776.43 million traded at the same point Tuesday.

The Russell 2000 index, which tracks smaller company stocks, fell 9.12, or 2.1 percent, to 423.72.

Overseas, Japan's Nikkei stock average finished Wednesday up 1.8 percent. But in late-day trading in Europe, stocks were lower. Germany's DAX index was down 1.5 percent, France's CAC-40 sank 3.0 percent, and Britain's FTSE 100 slid 3.4 percent.

 

hoihtah

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wow... i haven't been checking stocks in awhile...

but when did they go below 10?
 

Dually

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That means it is a good time to buy AMD stock because of how low it is and clearly it is more valuable, I would say it is worth at least $25.
 

Pocatello

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I'll wait. I think it's going lower. I don't see AMD turning a profit next quarter either.
 

SCSIfreek

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Because of this declining value of the stock market, everyone is jumping on buying houses in northern California making it impossible to purchase any home around this area .


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Originally posted by: SCSIfreek
Because of this declining value of the stock market, everyone is jumping on buying houses in northern California making it impossible to purchase any home around this area .

......huh? How does that work? You mean, because of the declining stock market, everyone is SELLING houses in Northern California, perhaps?
 

Platinum321

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Originally posted by: NightFlyerGTI
Originally posted by: SCSIfreek
Because of this declining value of the stock market, everyone is jumping on buying houses in northern California making it impossible to purchase any home around this area .

......huh? How does that work? You mean, because of the declining stock market, everyone is SELLING houses in Northern California, perhaps?

they are buying because the housing market in norther cali is still going up while the stock market goes down.

 

mrchan

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yeah the real estate market is more profitable than the stock market at this point.
 

datalink7

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Originally posted by: Stark
I just hope AA didn't do their accounting.

hehe, no sh!t.

I remember when it went below 7, and then shot up farily quickly to 16-17. I think if it drops that low again I'll suggest to my dad to buy some.
 

ToBeMe

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Originally posted by: datalink7
Originally posted by: Stark
I just hope AA didn't do their accounting.

hehe, no sh!t.

I remember when it went below 7, and then shot up farily quickly to 16-17. I think if it drops that low again I'll suggest to my dad to buy some.
There are a lot of differences between this time and last time..............#1 would be that the last time it was this cheap, soon afterward the Athlon debuted and at an initial price of $600+ AND the PC industry was booming. I, as well as many anyalists don't see the PC Industry picking back up much until the 2'nd half of '03, and if AMD debuts the Hammer line at $600+, they may be hard pressed to gain volume in a depressed market. I hope like hell I'm wrong, because I own AMD and I have to ride this out, but, I read early where some anyalists are predicting AMD to go sub $4 a share before hitting bottom....................

 

charrison

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IF it makes the thread feel any better, Intel stock prices have been falling in lockstep with AMD stock prices.
 

J3anyus

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Their stock will probably keep dropping. Once they've had Hammer out for awhile, it'll probably start going up again.
 

hans007

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AMD stock will not go up again i'd say until at least , 2nd quarter 2003 . hammer wont be in volume. they are barely breaking even on athlons as it is, and they have a less diversified income base than intel. Also flash demand isnt as high as it once was.


Intel, has a huge P/E something like 75 maybe a bit less since its tanked in the past few months. but they are a bit more diverse, as they make money on chipsets, wireless products, arm CPUS, etc. amd's embedded CPUs line isnt nearly as popular as the stuff intel owns .



All tech stocks are dead. i am an nvidia investor. the company's P/E ratio is like 12 right now, with a forward P/E of something like 8. stock is presently 17.30 or something liek that, if it was allowed to have a P/E like intel, well yeah i'd probably be so happy i'd pass out, b ecause i'd have 600% more money . But yeah, the 2nd tier companies are really hurting right now, because at least the first tier guys are still making money. companies like AMD and ATI have been losing money for many quarters now, and well... maybe itsa shake out,. who knows.
 

hoihtah

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i believe in amd.

as bad as they are doing right now...
if they stick to things that got them competing neck and neck with intel...
they'll be fine.

just don't screw up on accounting.
 

Snoop

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IMO a steal right now is Nvidia at $17, still pounding out impressive profits in this downturn and a P/E ration of 11.9, which is crazy for a company with their track record.
Nvidia Financials
 

Wingznut

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Originally posted by: Stark
I just hope AA didn't do their accounting.
I don't know about their accounting... But AA did work with AMD, validating the comparison benchmarks on their site.
 

brxndxn

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AMD's Jerry Sanders (the KFC colonel) said a few months ago (when AMD was $16) that it was worth four times as much. I believe him and here's why:

INTC after being beaten down is still worth $120billion in terms of market capitalization.

AMD after being beaten down is only worth $2.9billion in terms of market capitalization. That leaves a LOT of room for AMD to grow if it were to catch up to equal valuation as Intel.

INTC holds about 78% market share while AMD holds 21% in the chip market. AMD also holds the largest share of any manufacturer in the flash memory market while INTC is playing catch-up.

AMD's new hammer is due out in a few months - INTC has NO answer.

Dell refused INTC's new chip but is still currently testing the hammer.


BTW, I averaged down with AMD starting at $30.. I have no other money in the stock market. I'm pretty damn sure about the hammer - and about Jerry Sanders' abilities.

Oh, I almost forgot - AMD has enough cash on hand to buy back another 30% of their own stock.. If AMD wants to go private, the lower the stock goes, the more likely it may happen. Also, the lower it goes, the more likely a buyout offer will be placed (SUNW?) and AMD will surely refuse the offer - however, the stock price will rise.

I predict AMD to be at least at $20 by Christmas.
 

hans007

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Originally posted by: brxndxn
AMD's Jerry Sanders (the KFC colonel) said a few months ago (when AMD was $16) that it was worth four times as much. I believe him and here's why:

INTC after being beaten down is still worth $120billion in terms of market capitalization.

AMD after being beaten down is only worth $2.9billion in terms of market capitalization. That leaves a LOT of room for AMD to grow if it were to catch up to equal valuation as Intel.

INTC holds about 78% market share while AMD holds 21% in the chip market. AMD also holds the largest share of any manufacturer in the flash memory market while INTC is playing catch-up.

AMD's new hammer is due out in a few months - INTC has NO answer.

Dell refused INTC's new chip but is still currently testing the hammer.


BTW, I averaged down with AMD starting at $30.. I have no other money in the stock market. I'm pretty damn sure about the hammer - and about Jerry Sanders' abilities.

Oh, I almost forgot - AMD has enough cash on hand to buy back another 30% of their own stock.. If AMD wants to go private, the lower the stock goes, the more likely it may happen. Also, the lower it goes, the more likely a buyout offer will be placed (SUNW?) and AMD will surely refuse the offer - however, the stock price will rise.

I predict AMD to be at least at $20 by Christmas.



stock buyback is not a good idea. the nvidia investor relations guy did a talk about why. he said if you buy back stock it'll make your stock holders happy, but it gives you less liquidity. so AMD can not invest as much money in say advertising, new equipment or acquisitions. So a stock buyback, though good for a short term gain would probably limit the options of the company, unless the company had so much money it could burn it.. but amd is not microsoft
 
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