It's not worth my time to try and sell it on eBay or deal with setting up a time to have some random dude show up at my house for the $10 I'd get for it. Throw it in the box and put it back with the processor if and when I sell the system.
Is good to sell that heatsink for some bucks that can help get a better heatsink. Is useful for FM2 chips.
You're just mad because you're so easy to pick on. Stop being an easy target, and suddenly people won't bother you anymore.
When you start having views that don't incite mockery, suddenly you won't be everyone's favorite punching bag around here. You'll get there, in time, but so long as you are not figuring things out independently, and instead rely on people to correct you, to try to get you to see the light... you're going to have a hard time. Do us both a favor -- if you are in fact interested in hardware, as you seem to be, then go learn about it first hand. If you're not interested, quit wasting your and everyone else's time here and bug off.
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There's actually a lot of truth in what frozen said, though. You don't improve upon things arbitrarily, especially in business, but even elsewhere in the world. People that weren't trying to bust your balls picked up on that too.
So why did AMD invest money into a new cooler? Well, the answer is that they did it to improve their competitive standing with Intel. Intel can get away with simplistic, cheap coolers. AMD, however, has to fight with everything they've got. Thermal management is a huge part of the overall computer picture -- your power consumption, temperature, performance, acoustics, cost -- are dictated by it.
So let's do some fun calculus. The effect thermal performance on demand is logarithmic -- there is a point where having a better cooler will net you next to nothing in terms of creating a product that is more demanded. Performance is either linear with demand, or somewhat exponential (higher performance can create new markets). Cost follows a bell curve -- you get exponentially higher demand to a point, even with increasing costs (because those higher prices are buying you something desirable), but after a certain point, eventually too high of a cost kills your demand.
Something must have shifted, such that it is now suddenly worth it to develop a new cooler. AMD seems to think that the cost of developing a new cooler (higher fixed costs), in addition to the likely higher costs of manufacturing a new cooler (higher dynamic costs), are offset by the potential impact on demand -- they would sell more than enough units to make up for the higher costs, and be in a better position than if they had not done so.
We're still using the same type of cooler, and haven't had a paradigm shift in heat sink design like the Sandia cooler.
With performance, we have an unknown -- it is entirely possible to have a processor that runs hotter, and is more held back by heat than previous designs.
Here's what isn't unknown, though: cost. Costs have come down for raw materials a fair bit in the past few years. Copper is relatively cheap right now, as well as aluminum -- and I'd imagine plastic is as well, given the low cost of oil right now.
Given this, I'd argue that it has less to do with performance, next to nothing to do with advances in thermal management, and everything to do with how inexpensive it must be to make a better performing heatsink right now.
No, I like a lot of other people on this forum are just mad because you continuously derail all threads and turn them into personal attacks and flame wars. Like you just happened to do now once again.You're just mad because you're so easy to pick on.
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Apparently, AMD plans to offer better coolers with its microprocessors going forward. This week the company revealed its Wraith thermal solution, which will be used to cool down both current and upcoming chips from the company. The AMD Wraith, which was designed to take away around 125W of heat, features a rather large aluminum heatsink with ultra-thin fins, four heat-pipes as well as an 80-mm fan. AMD claims that the Wraith features 24% more cooling fin surface area (179,730.1mm2) compared to its predecessor (144,397.8mm2), which seems like a significant improvement. Contemporary 80-mm fans can generate significant airflow while staying rather quiet. According to AMD, the new fan pushes 55.78 cubic feet of air per minute (CFM), or 34% more than the predecessor (41.6 CFM). The maximum noise level generated by the Wraith cooler is around 39 dBA (based on what AMD says), which is quieter compared to the current-generation D3 cooler from the company, but is significantly louder than noise levels generated by advanced coolers from companies like Noctua or Scythe (20 – 32 dBA). Overall, the new cooler from AMD seems to be rather efficient for an in-box solution, but only real-world tests will show how good the Wraith cooling system actually is.
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The AMD Wraith cooling system will be bundled with select microprocessors going forward and will also be sold separately. The Wraith should be compatible with all recent AMD sockets (e.g., FM2+, AM3+, etc.), but we are not sure about the upcoming AM4 at this point. Since changing mounting mechanism of a cooler is not that hard, it looks like AMD’s Wraith will cool down the company’s chips for quite some time.
You dont get why they dont make one, then at the same time explain why it would be silly?
I know, but it'll only be stock for certain models. It's also sold separately. Check the AT article. So nothing is stopping them from having a 120 nm fan version also sold separately.Its a stock cooler.
Yup, thus the need for a 120 mm fan... I don't see why they have to make stock coolers so crappy. It shouldn't take much to at least get them decent. And that goes for both AMD and Intel.And 39dba is...not silent.
They have to compete against a lot of better products. Specially when you remove restrictions so to say. That means very low sales.
And 39dba is...not silent.
You already answered that question. They have to ensure that it will fit in the vast majority of cases.Yup, thus the need for a 120 mm fan... I don't see why they have to make stock coolers so crappy. It shouldn't take much to at least get them decent. And that goes for both AMD and Intel.
Yup, thus the need for a 120 mm fan... I don't see why they have to make stock coolers so crappy. It shouldn't take much to at least get them decent. And that goes for both AMD and Intel.
Just like their 'successful' RAM and SSD business.
That's why I said there should be an optional 120 mm variant. Since it's also sold separately there's a possibility for such an optional cooler.But it does. Its all about cost and the ability to fit them within required dimensions as you even pointed out yourself.
Why not do what they used to do, and just sell OEM CPUs, thus allowing people to save money and buy their own cooler?That's why I said there should be an optional 120 mm variant. Since it's also sold separately there's a possibility for such an optional cooler.
Why not do what they used to do, and just sell OEM CPUs, thus allowing people to save money and buy their own cooler?
Interestingly, the Wraith uses a constant-speed fan that produces 39 dBA at all times. While that may sound like nothing special for a CPU cooler, AMD says that figure comes from testing in its own anechoic chamber. The company thinks that in the real world, the Wraith cooler will be one of the quieter components in a PC. The constant-speed fan could also be less noticeable than a cooler that has to ramp its fan speed up and down often.
The cooler actually looks rather horrible now.
There is no fan control. Its full speed all the time with the rather loud 39dba idle. Most fans idle at 20-25dba.
This kind of ruins the product if true. They made a big deal about silent operation.
This kind of ruins the product if true. They made a big deal about silent operation.