Discussion AMD Threadripper 3000 series announcement and reviews

[Kocicak]

24 cores for 1400 and 32 cores for 2000 USD?

That is expensive. It does not put much pressure on Intel. It also does not motivate people too much to change platforms from AM4 to sTRX4. I must say I am surprised.

I bet that some people at Intel are pretty relieved now.

 

[inf64]

More like it's....

TR 3960X is 4x 3600(260 TDP) under the hood
TR 3970X is 4x 3700x(260 TDP)under the hood

....but with higher binned chiplets to achieve higher clockspeeds. I just used the 3600 and 3700x chiplets as TDP is close.

That would be my guess.

I'm not in the market for either, but the reviews will be interesting to say the least.

It will going to be a slaughter... Intel will be in a very bad spot for at least 1 year, if not more. They have nothing to show for, zero. It's kind of funny how mighty have fallen, from the spot of market leader to this second fiddle spot. AMD must continue to innovate though, they cannot be complacent, not at this time.

 

[DrMrLordX]

It will going to be a slaughter... Intel will be in a very bad spot for at least 1 year, if not more. They have nothing to show for, zero. It's kind of funny how mighty have fallen, from the spot of market leader to this second fiddle spot. AMD must continue to innovate though, they cannot be complacent, not at this time.

Kinda makes you wonder if those prices are a mistake. Sure, they have the 3950x to replace the low-end Threadrippers, but . . .

 

[Kocicak]

Competitor delays launch of their products because they wait for AMD to announce prices of their products.

AMD announces prices which are strikingly high and would not make competitor to change their pricing.

AMD in the past presentations (for example about EPYC CPUs) talks about peformance per price a lot. Suddenly - nothing. Has AMD suddenly started to think that performance per price is not important anymore???

To me it is obvious that those prices announced by AMD are not real.

There is unfortunatelly a second explanation - those prices are real and are so high, because AMD would not be able to supply these CPUs in high volume, which would be very sad!

Third explanation of AMD becoming the same greedy money grabbing monster as Intel is something so awfull I even do not want to write it.

 

[krumme]

Amd is not a charity and can be expected to show the same frustrating segmenting behaviour as Intel. That's what we see now.
We have a monopoly like situation now on the high end hedt space and amd prices their product accordingly. That's just bad for us enthusiasts.

The idea that there is a niche for a cheap 18c Intel core between 3950x and 24c threadripper is slim at best. Show me the actual buyers and use cases and the TCO for the investment for getting the 18c Intel. It's not exactly markets Intel is used to address with a fairly big core (best bin 484mm2?) with high production cost. The tx80 64c is ready to go, and Amd is ready to kill Intel most fat xcc cores like 2 times as fast. The situation is so grotesque, and the advantage so big, we dont even see the products yet.

We know that situation all to well.
The situation and pricing only changes when Intel have something competitive.

I wish them good luck competing with chiplets and tsmc sharing production cost with apple and the rest of the world. They need all their might. Sales bs and dirty tricks will not cut it this time. Give us new designs on new process.
Not everything else that is smart.

 

[Kocicak]

Companies make profit by bringing some value to their customers. Pricing of the new threadrippers just seems as turning the dial too far away from the "value to customers" side.

I honestly believe the prices are not real and will drop before launch. Call me stupid or naive, I just need to wait two weeks before I know if I really am or not.

 

[lobz]

Phfft -- are the hardware differences between 2x3900x and 3960x really all that large? -- 16 more pcie 4.0 lanes (2x24 vs 64) for two fewer wraith coolers. Doesn't seem like that's worth a $400 premium. You're probably right on the 16 core, but as the 24 core should have slotted closer to that price point.... :shrug: The platform cost of TR is really on the motherboard side, not the CPU -- the I/O hub on TR seems much more capable.

wait... what? please redo the math so we can engage in a real conversation

 

[StefanR5R]

Companies make profit by bringing some value to their customers. Pricing of the new threadrippers just seems as turning the dial too far away from the "value to customers" side.

Performance per dollar of the two new processors is (although not precisely known yet, as there are no independent performance tests out, but very likely_) still extremely good.

These could have been released as EPYC SKUs also (then with R-/LR-DIMM support of course), at a price considerably higher than those of the existing medium-TDP 24- and 32-core SKUs. (Tray prices are $1,250 and $2,300 for 7402P and 7502P single-socket 180 W parts, and $1,783 and $3,400 for the 7402 and 7542 dual-socket 180/ 225 W parts. And these prices are pretty good for what they are.)

There really is no problem with the value these two new processors and their new platform provide. There is at most a problem with the level of the entry price into this platform.

I honestly believe the prices are not real and will drop before launch. Call me stupid or naive, I just need to wait two weeks before I know if I really am or not.

Perhaps offers with a broader appeal will be made later. I for one was surprised how many TR40 mainboard models have been announced. Either the mainboard makers made a mistake with developing this many models for this platform, or they are right in that this platform will have the respective volume in sales soon or eventually.

 

[dnavas]

wait... what? please redo the math so we can engage in a real conversation

I won't be offended by correction . 64 pcie lanes from the 3960x CPU. 24 pcie lanes from the 3900x CPU. 64 - 2 * 24 = 16. 3900x is $500, 3960x is 1400 -- 1400 - 2 * 500 = $400. Which math are you objecting to?

 

[TheGiant]

Am I the only one thinking they should price all of the chips higher?
3950X- 850EUR
3960X- 1800EUR
3970X- 2300 EUR

 

[Markfw]

Am I the only one thinking they should price all of the chips higher?
3950X- 850EUR
3960X- 1800EUR
3970X- 2300 EUR

Too much. I think they are fine where they are.

 

[jpiniero]

Don't worry, there's a "Super Threadripper" coming which will be more.

 

[CHADBOGA]

Companies make profit by bringing some value to their customers. Pricing of the new threadrippers just seems as turning the dial too far away from the "value to customers" side.

I honestly believe the prices are not real and will drop before launch. Call me stupid or naive, I just need to wait two weeks before I know if I really am or not.

We are seeing capacity constraint at work here and AMD reacting accordingly.

 

[Markfw]

We are seeing capacity constraint at work here and AMD reacting accordingly.

And how do you know that ? I see no such evidence.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Am I the only one thinking they should price all of the chips higher?

Yeah, you probably are the only one. The prices are a bit high as it is. 3960X should really be closer to $1299, while 3970x should be $1799.

 

[Markfw]

Yeah, you probably are the only one. The prices are a bit high as it is. 3960X should really be closer to $1299, while 3970x should be $1799.

But the 2990wx was @1799 and the 3970x is WAY faster. It should be more.

 

[DrMrLordX]

But the 2990wx was @1799 and the 3970x is WAY faster. It should be more.

Nahhhh. The 1800x launched @ $499, and so did the 3900x. 3900x delivered higher clocks, better IPC, and +50% core count at the same price point. 3970x is faster per-core, yes, but it has the same core count as the 2990WX. Putting it at the same launch price as the 2990WX is consistent with AMD's past pricing policy. You can draw similar lines between the 3960X and 2970WX.

 

[Markfw]

Nahhhh. The 1800x launched @ $499, and so did the 3900x. 3900x delivered higher clocks, better IPC, and +50% core count at the same price point. 3970x is faster per-core, yes, but it has the same core count as the 2990WX. Putting it at the same launch price as the 2990WX is consistent with AMD's past pricing policy. You can draw similar lines between the 3960X and 2970WX.

Well, you do have a point there with the 1800x (and yes I paid $500 for my 1800x). But AMD was struggling at that time. Now they are king of the hill (so to speak).

And Now I am not getting a 3970x since I just nabbed 2 7551 EPYC chips for $300 each. So for $2500 (motherboard, cpu's and 128 gig ECC ram) I will have more horsepower then that 3970x., Yes not as powerful per core, but the total platform will be cheaper, and the horsepower will be like 25% or more higher. And my new platform supports the new Rome chips ! (when I can afford those)

 

[CHADBOGA]

And how do you know that ? I see no such evidence.

You have missed all the various reports about TSMC not having enough 7nm capacity for its customers?

 

[Markfw]

You have missed all the various reports about TSMC not having enough 7nm capacity for its customers?

No, I have seen nothing like that. Link it.

 

[CHADBOGA]

No, I have seen nothing like that. Link it.

Say please.

TSMC 7nm production capacity cant handle all its orders - Gizchina.com

TSMC 7nm production capacity cant handle all its orders. Its 16nm, 12nm and 10nm manufacturing processes are also plunging into a shortage of supply.

www.gizchina.com

TSMC advises clients to book 7nm capacity for entire 2020

TSMC has advised its clients to book foundry capacity well in advance for their 7nm chip demand for the entire 2020, according to industry sources.

www.digitimes.com

Future AMD chip production may be under threat as TSMC triples lead times for 7nm

TSMC has extended production lead times for its 7nm process by four months due to tight supply

www.pcgamesn.com

TSMC Trembles Under 7 nm Product Orders, Increases Delivery Lead Times Threefold - Could Hit AMD Product Availability

TSMC is on the vanguard of chipset fabrication technology at this exact point in time - its 7 nm technology is the leading-edge of all large volume processes, and is being tapped by a number of companies for 7 nm silicon. One of its most relevant clients for our purposes, of course, is AMD - the...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[itsmydamnation]

Say please.

TSMC 7nm production capacity cant handle all its orders - Gizchina.com

TSMC 7nm production capacity cant handle all its orders. Its 16nm, 12nm and 10nm manufacturing processes are also plunging into a shortage of supply.

www.gizchina.com

TSMC advises clients to book 7nm capacity for entire 2020

TSMC has advised its clients to book foundry capacity well in advance for their 7nm chip demand for the entire 2020, according to industry sources.

www.digitimes.com

Future AMD chip production may be under threat as TSMC triples lead times for 7nm

TSMC has extended production lead times for its 7nm process by four months due to tight supply

www.pcgamesn.com

TSMC Trembles Under 7 nm Product Orders, Increases Delivery Lead Times Threefold - Could Hit AMD Product Availability

TSMC is on the vanguard of chipset fabrication technology at this exact point in time - its 7 nm technology is the leading-edge of all large volume processes, and is being tapped by a number of companies for 7 nm silicon. One of its most relevant clients for our purposes, of course, is AMD - the...

www.techpowerup.com

who do you think is causing this demand because mobiles are weak?
What where the reports for TSMC capacity before Zen2 started production?
Also samsung is warning of weak 2020 mobile sales as well.

 

[CHADBOGA]

who do you think is causing this demand because mobiles are weak?
What where the reports for TMSC capacity because Zen2 started production?
Also samsung is warning of weak 2020 mobile sales as well.

I think AMD is causing a lot of the demand due to how well they have been knocking it out of the park with Zen 2.

Zen 2 die sizes are a lot bigger than mobile dies.

 

[Markfw]

Say please.

TSMC 7nm production capacity cant handle all its orders - Gizchina.com

TSMC 7nm production capacity cant handle all its orders. Its 16nm, 12nm and 10nm manufacturing processes are also plunging into a shortage of supply.

www.gizchina.com

TSMC advises clients to book 7nm capacity for entire 2020

TSMC has advised its clients to book foundry capacity well in advance for their 7nm chip demand for the entire 2020, according to industry sources.

www.digitimes.com

Future AMD chip production may be under threat as TSMC triples lead times for 7nm

TSMC has extended production lead times for its 7nm process by four months due to tight supply

www.pcgamesn.com

TSMC Trembles Under 7 nm Product Orders, Increases Delivery Lead Times Threefold - Could Hit AMD Product Availability

TSMC is on the vanguard of chipset fabrication technology at this exact point in time - its 7 nm technology is the leading-edge of all large volume processes, and is being tapped by a number of companies for 7 nm silicon. One of its most relevant clients for our purposes, of course, is AMD - the...

www.techpowerup.com

All I can say is those are all rumors. Nothing from TSMC. I don't go with rumors.

 

[CHADBOGA]

All I can say is those are all rumors. Nothing from TSMC. I don't go with rumors.

Why do you think the 3950 has taken so long to come out?

How widespread do you think it's availability will be over the next few months?

 

[Markfw]

Why do you think the 3950 has taken so long to come out?

How widespread do you think it's availability will be over the next few months?

More rumors... and conspiracy.. Jeesh, nobody likes facts ????