Oh, so now you're saying AM3 is dead. Okay.
If it is not necessary why do people (and business) buy the latest generation and faster processors? Why is the average age of a desktop computer in home or server in datacenter not 15 years; why is it not increasing dramatically even though we have had 'good enough' processors for at least 5 years?
It is not an either-or situation. AMD would be much happier if they could mate a CPU like IVB with their iGPUs, rather than their current underwhelming CPU lineup. AMD know they are weaker in the CPU area, so they prefer to talk about their strengths. Intel play the same game. As consumers we would be extremely naive to buy into such attempts to spin information by either manufacturer.
I see the slides you posted and they show that one last series of low end server CPUs will come out for AM3+ called Delhi and they will be PD based. After that it only lists Future Server APUs. For low end servers and desktops it looks like the slide agrees with what I said before, that it will be APUs on FM series sockets.Did you not see the roadmap I linked? CPUs are not dead yet.
I never stated nor implied that AM3+ was going to see any attention after Piledriver. In fact, the arguments I have made were based on the assumption that AM3+ ends with Piledriver. Had you actually read anything I was saying, you would know this. Your deliberate misrepresentation of my position is a straw man and is completely disrespectful.
Read the thread. Read the posts I've made. Read the slide I linked. Until you do this, do not bother me with your unintelligent and disrespectful garbage.
Yes. Find where I explicitly stated that AM3 isn't dead.You really need to read your own posts. For example when you said you have proof AM3 isn't dead. Do you need me to quote you?
If DDR4 make significant market growth in 2013 then we can assume
that Steamroller wont use AM3+ boards since the server version,
wich will be the same die as an eventual DT 8C version , is scheduled for 2014.
I bet the price of ram will skyrocket again when ddr4 comes out.
Yes. Find where I explicitly stated that AM3 isn't dead.
Go ahead and embarrass yourself.
Not to mention the AM3 platform is dead in the serverspace
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=33598176&postcount=37You still don't have proof to back up these claims. I, in fact, have proof to verify the opposite.
No apology needed. I think you need to apologize for your ignorance and for wasting my time. Let's start with your ignorance of what the word "explicit" means:Sigh....
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=33598176&postcount=37
You may post your apology publicly.
Steamroller for APUs, Pilediver for the last FX. Not to mention the AM3 platform is dead in the serverspace, just like all other current AMD platforms. AMD just got nothing in the performance segment.
So where did I say "all of these claims?" I didn't. Claims is plural. He made multiple claims that he could not back up. Given that I did not use the word "all," I did not explicitly claim that every one of his claims were unproven. It could be implied that I meant all of them, which directly conflicts with the definition of explicit.You still don't have proof to back up these claims. I, in fact, have proof to verify the opposite.
*proof*
New CPUs AND APUs coming to servers on 28nm. No release date... but AMD is not done in the performance segment. If AM3+ is dead, what will be its successor? Take a wild guess... and also take a wild guess on what type of memory it will use and when that memory becomes available...
I see a slide that runs until.....This year.
AMD has already stated that Piledriver is the end of AM3+. Just Google it.
Let's look at the title of the slide. "2012-2013 Server Roadmap: APU Join CPU in Server Market"I see a slide that runs until.....This year.
Stuff
When you leave me with such a massive load of crap to disprove, it's impossible to be.TL;DR. You're not very concise are you?
That quote is quite vague and left to interpretation. No road maps explicitly mark the end of of performance desktop parts.But as far as your last sentence "it looks like there's some hope for performance parts from AMD in the future."
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5492/amds-rory-read-outlines-amds-future-strategy
"no where in AMD's future direction is a focus on the high-end x86 CPU space."
Basically, you've just tried to argue that a product is more likely to release when roadmaps of it don't exist. Brilliant.Oh. So you believe marketing materials.
See my sig.
And then read the transcripts of AMD conference calls.
Or, go look at the roadmaps for Falcon. Or Swift. How about Terramar or Sepang? How did those roadmaps work out? Heck just look right here on Anandtech for the roadmaps that AMD marketing have pumped out and see how accurate they have been.
Edit:
Here's one for you:
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/Dat...m-14nm-Fusion-ASIC/AMD_Fusion_Roadmap_675.jpg
Where's the 28nm APU we were supposed to have by now?
Since you've had to stoop to name calling instead of facts I think I'll bale out of this one. You've made your intentions and allegiance clear.
Regardless, something as drastic as the "end of CPUs" would be a pretty loud and clear message.
the slide you provided makes it clear the next low end server and desktop processors will be APUs, not CPUs.
Hence, it will not be on AM style sockets, and they will not be CPUs.
ARM Announces 45nm SOI Test Chip Results That Demonstrate Potential 40 Percent Power Savings Over Bulk Process
The silicon results show that 45nm high-performance SOI technology can provide up to 40 percent power savings and a 7 percent circuit area reduction compared to bulk CMOS low-power technology, operating at the same speed. This same implementation also demonstrated 20 percent higher operating frequency capability over bulk while saving 30 percent in total power in specific test applications.
The problem is that what we do have evidence of in the real-world is that (1) TSMC is the only foundry to have made money in the entire history foundry business and they have determined that SOI is not viable for their business model, and (2) the other major user of SOI was AMD and they too failed to financially capture success with their reliance on SOI whereas Intel's reliance on Bulk-Si certaintly did not lead to its financial undoing.
So this seems to be a case of theory versus practice. In theory there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice there is.
But AM3 is dead in the serverspace after the next release. And the Pilediver FX is the last on the desktop. Then its steamroller dualco..^H^Hmodule APUs instead on FMx platform. Also why the APUs is far ahead on the CPU uarch.
I'd be very skeptical of the claims in that article too. The article makes it sound like only a fool would design a mobile processor / SOC on bulk, yet as far as I know, Qualcomm, Nvidia, Apple, and Samsung are all using bulk for their phones / tablets. Something is being left out...