AMD unable to deliver X2 ... Rumors of trouble abounds

[Sentential]

Originally posted by: sonoran

Originally posted by: Sentential
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If 2 blocks are 500mhz. This becomes very bad....Its not the top end, but the spread. On 90nm there are cores that cannot even run at 2.8ghz. This is a sign of a serious yeild issue.

Sentential, I had noticed that slide as well, but where did the blue lines for clock speed come from? As far as I'm aware they're not there on the original. If you made them up, I'm curious as to what your reasoning was?

The overall average clock speed for AMD's 130nm design is aprox 2.5ghz and for 90nm it is about 2.7

Originally posted by: Duvie
Its not there are placed on there with like Paintshop....I will try to find the original.....

further look the chart and whee they drew lines would make no sense..Also figure where each line began speed wise and you can figure approx what the lines may be...BUt without the orig. it would be ASSuming which Sentential is good at....He alswys spreads INFOP (I use lightly) like this here...

I drew the lines based on what we know these cores are currentally capable of. If you look at the data AMD provides my information falls in line with theirs. Even without them it paints a poor picture of the production yeilds. If you look at the original post I said such.

Originally posted by: MDmeBOTTOM LINE: it doesn't really matter if the P-D's and EE's are available. cause the X2 beats them anyway which way you look at it.

I agree wholly. I would never say that anything from Intel could come anywhere close to an X2 in peformance. This thread was specificallly aimed at whether they could make them in mass quantity.

In addition I would like to say that Intel is having the same exact issue. Infact AFAIK they do not plan to make more than 500,000 Pentium Ds this year. Which compared to their normal day-to-day buisness, makes it even worse than AMD's situation.

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: DuvieIt shows AMD reaching mature yields very quickly with 90nm.
Also, WHY would AMD release higher speed processors? Serious question, why release higher speeds?
Higher speeds obviously mean lower yields on the higher speed chips, and since there's no market pressure to release higher speed chips, why should they lower their yields?
Whatever happens, 2.8GHz chips are going to be harder to produce than 2.6GHz or 2.4GHz chips, and since Intel can't compete at current speeds, why would AMD do that to themselves?

"Mature yeilds" is simply a marker of where they can produce enough chips to supply their target demands. For AMD they did infact meet those MUCH more quickly than they did with 130nm. Why? Because they reduced the die size of Newcastle via Winchester and others by litererly half.

It has nothing to do with the ratio of dead vs live chips. They can crank out so many that the ratio of live to dead chips on small cores like Winchester and Sandiego that it doesnt matter.

However since die-size is a real issue on the X2s this becomes a problem where it wasnt before on the other cores. Now every die matters and low yeild rates on a large chip become a serious problem.

Originally posted by: clarkey01
Sentential they dont need 3Ghz.

You are absolutly right. They dont need 3ghz....right now. However if Cedar Mill and Presler are half as good as Intel says they are, AMD *needs* to scale these A64s as high as they possibly can, because very very soon Intel will have a solution to their clock speed problem.

It is going to be very tough for current X2s to be able to compete with a 4ghz Presler with 4MB of cahce. Especially if they give them Hyperthreading like they claim to do. In addition they will be drastically cheaper than their AMD counterparts much like Pentium D is now.

The only thing AMD has going for it now is true and raw peformance. By god they have to milk it for all its worth while they can. Their .65nm process is almost a year behind Intel's. THAT could prove to be disasterous.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Vishruth

Originally posted by: sandorski
What part of "widespread availability in Q4" do you not understand? Let me splain it for the Slow: X2 will be available through many OEM/Systems manufacturers almost immediately. However, do not expect to buy an individual Retail X2 for some time, in this case Q4. Pretty simple concept.

Monarchcomputer.com has X2 retails for pre-ordering. Their ETA is the 6th of July.

I wouldn't be surprised that some make it to Retail channels, but widespread Retail availability won't happen, according to AMD, until Q4. That's been their position from the release, any availability before then will just be a bonus for us and show that the Dothans of this world are on the opposite side of reality.

 

[The Pentium Guy]

Originally posted by: michaelpatrick33
With the release of the X2 it is like the dark logs of eternal night are being overturned and showing off the troll mushrooms of Santa Clara.

Haha I love that quote!

 

[dbigers]

Guess I am an AMD fanatic as well. I use LightWave daily. It pays the bills. I am running P4's now due to the heavy optimization when LightWave 7 was released. Prior to that I was running all Athlons becuase of their superior FPU performance. However, as usual I am about to update. I am loyal to no one. Whatever is the best solution when I decide to upgrade.

The X2 kills the Pentium D's in LightWave benchmarks. Plus I can run them on the 939 motherboards I already have. Regardless of the lower price of the Pentium D, the X2 doesnt require me to purchase a new motherboard.

Thats just my .02. What I find funny is that this happens every time something new is released. Last year it was the X800 and the 6800. I can never understand all the bickering with new hardware. Choose what you want. But every time you go to the mat trying to defend your choice it makes you look like a child. Its not a marriage. Make a choice, live with it. If you choose wrong, oh well, its just a computer, you will be getting another in a year or two, at the least. If someone else chooses wrong in your eyes, their is no need to chastise them for it. Sometimes I wonder what the average age is of the people who argue back and forth on internet forums about xxx hardware pwning xxx hardware. One thing is for sure, all the competition is great for us end users. Without AMD being so fiercely competitive, we would still be using Pentium 200 Pro's probably.

 

[SLIorCROSSFIRE]

Originally posted by: Mik3y

Originally posted by: Dothan
It is true !!!

AMD can not deliver the hallowed X2 !!!

Chips were to be available 2 weeks ago but still none are shipping !!!

This means AMD have a "paper launch" and meanwhile Intel Pentium D and Pentium Extreme Edition 840 chips ARE SHIPPING AND AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW !!!

The AMD fanatics who will undoubtedly chastise me, I say, fine - where are the X2 chips then?

Rumors are abound of manufacturing difficulties in Dresden !!! It appear that yields are EXTREMELY low on X2 chip (after all dual cores on 90nm is troublesome at best) and with AMD trying to prepare to meet Intel on 65nm (which Intel already running) this spell lots of troubles ahead for AMD.

you're a stupid fvck, you know that? next time, try posting without a cock up your ass. and... you're making fun of amd for their prices? um, the intel's cost more if you include the cost of the cpu and the mobo. amd's dualcores are supported by existing sockets, so omgwtbbqsauce. btw, last i remember, intel got raped on benchies. oh's teh noes! you, my man, are just a stupid dumbfvck. admit it, your parents think so too.

YOU ABSOLUTE LEGEND LOL LOL LOL LOL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA just pure genious, and the bit at the end bout the parents....speachless (cos of the unreal amount of laughter lol) you sir are just fantastic lol :laugh:

 

[The Pentium Guy]

Originally posted by: SLIorCROSSFIRE

Originally posted by: Mik3y

Originally posted by: Dothan
It is true !!!

AMD can not deliver the hallowed X2 !!!

Chips were to be available 2 weeks ago but still none are shipping !!!

This means AMD have a "paper launch" and meanwhile Intel Pentium D and Pentium Extreme Edition 840 chips ARE SHIPPING AND AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW !!!

The AMD fanatics who will undoubtedly chastise me, I say, fine - where are the X2 chips then?

Rumors are abound of manufacturing difficulties in Dresden !!! It appear that yields are EXTREMELY low on X2 chip (after all dual cores on 90nm is troublesome at best) and with AMD trying to prepare to meet Intel on 65nm (which Intel already running) this spell lots of troubles ahead for AMD.

you're a stupid fvck, you know that? next time, try posting without a cock up your ass. and... you're making fun of amd for their prices? um, the intel's cost more if you include the cost of the cpu and the mobo. amd's dualcores are supported by existing sockets, so omgwtbbqsauce. btw, last i remember, intel got raped on benchies. oh's teh noes! you, my man, are just a stupid dumbfvck. admit it, your parents think so too.

YOU ABSOLUTE LEGEND LOL LOL LOL LOL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA just pure genious, and the bit at the end bout the parents....speachless (cos of the unreal amount of laughter lol) you sir are just fantastic lol :laugh:

HAHAH . That made me laugh. Thanks

 

[SLIorCROSSFIRE]

Originally posted by: rgreen83
Dothan is from now on banned from logging in after too much starbucks.

OMG how did i miss this one, another legend lol lol

 

[The Pentium Guy]

Originally posted by: Dothan
Intel beat AMD to the punch (again) so quit trying to cover it up you filthy troll zealots !!!

Erm. Who's the troll . OH! I'm sorry I wasn't referring to YOU.:evil:

Who gives a crap? Products take time to arrive. Be patient and wait a week or two for the X2s to arrive.

 

[SLIorCROSSFIRE]

Originally posted by: The Pentium Guy

Originally posted by: SLIorCROSSFIRE

Originally posted by: Mik3y

Originally posted by: Dothan
It is true !!!

AMD can not deliver the hallowed X2 !!!

Chips were to be available 2 weeks ago but still none are shipping !!!

This means AMD have a "paper launch" and meanwhile Intel Pentium D and Pentium Extreme Edition 840 chips ARE SHIPPING AND AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW !!!

The AMD fanatics who will undoubtedly chastise me, I say, fine - where are the X2 chips then?

Rumors are abound of manufacturing difficulties in Dresden !!! It appear that yields are EXTREMELY low on X2 chip (after all dual cores on 90nm is troublesome at best) and with AMD trying to prepare to meet Intel on 65nm (which Intel already running) this spell lots of troubles ahead for AMD.

you're a stupid fvck, you know that? next time, try posting without a cock up your ass. and... you're making fun of amd for their prices? um, the intel's cost more if you include the cost of the cpu and the mobo. amd's dualcores are supported by existing sockets, so omgwtbbqsauce. btw, last i remember, intel got raped on benchies. oh's teh noes! you, my man, are just a stupid dumbfvck. admit it, your parents think so too.

YOU ABSOLUTE LEGEND LOL LOL LOL LOL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA just pure genious, and the bit at the end bout the parents....speachless (cos of the unreal amount of laughter lol) you sir are just fantastic lol :laugh:

HAHAH . That made me laugh. Thanks

if it was me you were refering to then you are very welcome, any time and it was absolutly brilliant!!!!!!!!!!! (the initial quote that is)

 

[The Pentium Guy]

I was referring to "Mik3y" .

 

[SLIorCROSSFIRE]

sure sure you can say intels dual core CPU's are out and were still wating on AMD's ...but thats besides the point, when the X2 is released it will kick the pentium D's noisey, scorching hot ass. the slowest X2 is already proven to be better in many aspects as the PenD ant at less than half the cost (inc the new motherboard you are going to need for the PenD) its abvious which one is better value.

is there any s939 dual processor motherboards? imagine 4 cores.....SWEET

 

[SLIorCROSSFIRE]

Originally posted by: The Pentium Guy
I was referring to "Mik3y" .

oh ok, it was hell funny ay lol lol lol lol

 

[Dothan]

Originally posted by: The Pentium Guy
Who gives a crap? Products take time to arrive. Be patient and wait a week or two for the X2s to arrive.

More like a month, or two ... or three? lol !!!

all these excuses from the AMD fanatic base here give me a real good laugh !!!

And whoever said Intel only ship 500,000 "D" chips by end of 2005 is mistaken. They're well on course to ship over 1,000,000 "D" series chips by the end of this year. At the rate AMD is going, they'll be lucky to ship 10,000 by year end !!!

 

[imported_Noob]

Not you again Dothan, go away you troll.

 

[Markfw]

troll, troll, troll your boat, slowly down the stream .....

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: Dothan
More like a month, or two ... or three? lol !!!

all these excuses from the AMD fanatic base here give me a real good laugh !!!

And whoever said Intel only ship 500,000 "D" chips by end of 2005 is mistaken. They're well on course to ship over 1,000,000 "D" series chips by the end of this year. At the rate AMD is going, they'll be lucky to ship 10,000 by year end !!!

Hey TROLL, wake up, we don't care about the Pentium D !!!!!! Sub par performance, excess heat and noise, larger power requirement !!!!!! why waste your money on something you don't want !!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mik3y]

Originally posted by: Dothan

Originally posted by: The Pentium Guy
Who gives a crap? Products take time to arrive. Be patient and wait a week or two for the X2s to arrive.

More like a month, or two ... or three? lol !!!

all these excuses from the AMD fanatic base here give me a real good laugh !!!

And whoever said Intel only ship 500,000 "D" chips by end of 2005 is mistaken. They're well on course to ship over 1,000,000 "D" series chips by the end of this year. At the rate AMD is going, they'll be lucky to ship 10,000 by year end !!!

whoever said that you have a weenie is also mistaken. cummon, you can tell us. you have a vagina. you love the cock. say it man, just say it. you're my boy, blue! cummon, we're all family here...unfortunately.

 

[Dothan]

Originally posted by: Noob
Not you again Dothan, go away you troll.

funny those calling me a "troll" are the very same who are "trolling" in numerous threads in this very forum !!! god damn AMD zealots !!!

 

[imported_Noob]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
troll, troll, troll your boat, slowly down the stream .....

LOL nice one! :thumbsup:

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: Dothan

Originally posted by: Noob
Not you again Dothan, go away you troll.

funny those calling me a "troll" are the very same who are "trolling" in numerous threads in this very forum !!! god damn AMD zealots !!!

No AMD zealots here, we're performance zealots. Get out.

 

[imported_Opteron]

AMD is not even intrested of selling X2 CPU's in numbers, you can see that from the pricing.
1001$ is a price that is ment to scare customers, it should be 999$ if they want high price.

AMD's main target is servers, and AMD has been delivering dual core Opterons to OEM's for months.
Opteron dual core CPU's also have been available long before X2 was ment to be available.
Also i have friend that have bought X2, so yes it is available.

ps. When this dual core Opteron was made ?

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

quote:
Originally posted by: michaelpatrick33
With the release of the X2 it is like the dark logs of eternal night are being overturned and showing off the troll mushrooms of Santa Clara.


I do hope you realize I was joking around, LOL. I am astonished at the vehemence of the Intel posters such as porkster and dothan and simply made a joke about it.

I find the AMD fantatics equally funny.

For the love of God, they are microprocessor companies not the Lords of the Silicon realm who rule our lives with the mailed fists of frequency and L2 swords from Yamhill or the CLawhammers of Venice.

 

[porkster]

For those contemplating purchasing a AMD X2, beware of.

* Sites have reported lack of ability overclock these chips.
* It's indicated these series of chips are poor multitasking performers.
* Consider power bill and chip cost compared to obtained computation.
* There are boards that are not compatible with this series of chips. If you need another board then there are risks of buying into old technology.

WARNING ABOVE

.

 

[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: porkster
For those contenplating purchasing a AMD X2, beware of.

* Sites have reported lack of ability overclock these chips.

Link?

* It's indicated thise series of chips are poor multitasking performers.

By one site with questionable test methods. You were proven wrong in another thread, so there's no need to do it again here.

* Consider power bill and chip cost compared to obtained computation.

If you were referring to the Intel dual core processors, that would be very true.

* There are boards that are not compatibile with this series of chips. If you need another board then there are risks of buying into old technology.

And this has greater truth in pertaining to Intel processors and motherboards than AMD. AMD's solution has more backward compatibility than Intel's.

WARNING ABOVE - BEWARE OF TROLL

^ fixed

Back to the ship date: if Monarch doesn't ship OEM processors on the 16th or before, then we can talk. For now, you're (Dothan et. al.) just engaging in baseless speculation, which may or (more likely) may not happen. The better chances are that you'll be proven wrong in a few days. :thumbsup:

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: porkster
For those contenplating purchasing a AMD X2, beware of.

* Sites have reported lack of ability overclock these chips.
* It's indicated thise series of chips are poor multitasking performers.
* Consider power bill and chip cost compared to obtained computation.
* There are boards that are not compatibile with this series of chips. If you need another board then there are risks of buying into old technology.

WARNING ABOVE

.

Talk abou tcrap !! !) The are documented as better in power usage than the P4D
2) They are great multitaskers by every website
3) The overcocking is unknown at this time, but the few chips tested work great at OC'ing (hand picked ??)
4) There is no incompatability documented anywhere....

Go troll elsewhere...

What can we do to ban these trolls. ?? I did it once, anybody else want to try next ??