AMD unable to deliver X2 ... Rumors of trouble abounds

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: porkster
For those contemplating purchasing a AMD X2, beware of.

* Sites have reported lack of ability overclock these chips.
* It's indicated these series of chips are poor multitasking performers.
* Consider power bill and chip cost compared to obtained computation.
* There are boards that are not compatible with this series of chips. If you need another board then there are risks of buying into old technology.

WARNING ABOVE

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Oh no, another moron. Please provide one link to back-up your crap. Then you'll find dozens of reviews that say the contrary.

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

Originally posted by: Dothan

Originally posted by: Noob
Not you again Dothan, go away you troll.

funny those calling me a "troll" are the very same who are "trolling" in numerous threads in this very forum !!! god damn AMD zealots !!!

Why are you cursing? Please don't curse in the forum. I think it is a bannable offense. Geesh. They're just microprocessors.

 

[Dothan]

Originally posted by: ProviaFan
Back to the ship date: if Monarch doesn't ship OEM processors on the 16th or before, then we can talk. For now, you're (Dothan et. al.) just engaging in baseless speculation, which may or (more likely) may not happen. The better chances are that you'll be proven wrong in a few days. :thumbsup:

Monarch won't be shipping X2 OEM on the 16th, and certainly not before. What are you smoking ???

AMD is unable to fulfill all these orders for X2 chips. Yields are extremely low and thus the insane pricing of the X2. AMD simply cannot expect anyone (of sound mind) to spend upwards of $1K on an AMD processor. Yields on the 4800+ are reportedly so low that AMD is notifying resellers to expect only 4200 and 4400 to be available sometime in July and don't even think about retail versions of ANY of these chips until Q4 at best.

So if you have an order for your beloved X2 in somewhere, prepare for a long wait !!!

 

[n7]

Anyone else notice that Dothan & Porkster are the same moron aka poster?

 

[xylem]

Dothan, after suffering the misfortune of reading a few of your posts in various threads, I must say that for you, "Troll" is too flattering a label. Please, withdraw your proboscis from the stinky pile which you are so pathetically trying to stir, and buzz off.

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

Originally posted by: porkster
For those contemplating purchasing a AMD X2, beware of.

* Sites have reported lack of ability overclock these chips.
* It's indicated these series of chips are poor multitasking performers.
* Consider power bill and chip cost compared to obtained computation.
* There are boards that are not compatible with this series of chips. If you need another board then there are risks of buying into old technology.

WARNING ABOVE

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Hello Porskter:
3ghrtz on air for 4800+ Cherry picked? Maybe, but still

Consider powerbill? From Tom's since you quote his interesting multitask test

Boards I assume you are referring to are the KT890? Show me the number of dualcore compatible 939 AMD boards versus the the correpsonding already existent Intel dualcore boards.

 

[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: Dothan
Monarch won't be shipping X2 OEM on the 16th, and certainly not before. What are you smoking ???

Show me proof of this, but unless you do, this stuff is clearly being pulled from somewhere, and it sure doesn't smell good!

 

[Markfw]

Please see my thread in forum issues on Dothan and porkster. I give up on these threads, and want to try a new approach....

 

[porkster]

The 2.4 GHz chip was good for 2.7 GHz, though not quite stably.

from

Firingsquad on poor overclocking of AMD X2

So don't expect to buy the low end and clock it up to top end. These chips are pushing the technology of their silicon media.

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[porkster]

Just a WARNING NOTE, when researching for your purchase, not not read benchtest results that are single tasks. Multitasking is the only charts you should be considering if you want a future ready CPU, which is the whole reason behind dual cores.

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[Markfw]

Originally posted by: porkster

The 2.4 GHz chip was good for 2.7 GHz, though not quite stably.

from

Firingsquad on poor overclocking of AMD X2

So don't expect to buy the low end and clock it up to top end. These chips are pushing the technology of their silicon media.

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OK, one site says they got from 2.4-2.6 (didn't give all the details) and you say poor OC'er ?? So what P4D OC reviews have you seen ? the only reviews I have seen can't even run the P4D stable on SLI let alone OC'ed....

 

[Mik3y]

Originally posted by: Dothan
AMD simply cannot expect anyone (of sound mind) to spend upwards of $1K on an AMD processor.

*cough*dumbass*cough*

 

[porkster]

Originally posted by: Markfw900OK, one site says they got from 2.4-2.6 (didn't give all the details) and you say poor OC'er ??

Firingsquad:we hit 2.7 GHz and managed to get it stable at 2.64 GHz

So, The AMD X2 was clocked from 2.4 to 2.64, that isn't much and you can be sure that site received a good batch for the review.

Just to think my 2.6ghz P4 520 clocks all the way to 3.7, and stable on standard fan at 3.5ghz. Mind you I can run at higher but it's not worth it.

The floating points or whetstone calcs are also very poor on the AMD X2, making it not so good for so CAD work, etc. The AMD X2 is good for Dhrystone calcs which makes it good for string work, but yet again it's already been shown on THG that these chips are poor multitaskers, for say server work.

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[Rock Hydra]

Man...I must be one of the only Intel freaks that at least has a hint of dignity. This shameless trolling and crapping about AMD. Can't even admit their own weakness. OP, go back to the THG community forums. :|

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: porkster

Originally posted by: Markfw900OK, one site says they got from 2.4-2.6 (didn't give all the details) and you say poor OC'er ??

Firingsquad:we hit 2.7 GHz and managed to get it stable at 2.64 GHz

So, The AMD X2 was clocked from 2.4 to 2.64, that isn't much and you can be sure that site recieved a good batch for the review.

Just to think my 2.6ghz P4 520 clocks all the way to 3.7, and stable on standard fan at 3.5ghz. Mind you I can run at higher but it's not worth it.

The floating points or whetstone calcs are also very poor on the AMD X2, making it not so good for so CAD work, etc. The AMD X2 is good for Dhrystone calcs which mkes it good for string work, but it's already sone on THG that these chips are poor multitaskers for say server applications.

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BS 1,2,3 You can't compare your single core to a dual-core for OC'ing. 2, synthetic benches are notriously bad, but overall the X2 own per everywebsite, even THG per my quoted text earlier say the 4800+ owns in everything... Check my posts, or learn to read please...Including all the post that say the X2 and the Opteron dual-core win all benches in multitasking.. If I spend the time looking all this up, you may get a vacation, AS I ALREADY DID THIS FOR YOU !!!!!

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

Originally posted by: michaelpatrick33

Originally posted by: porkster
For those contemplating purchasing a AMD X2, beware of.

* Sites have reported lack of ability overclock these chips.
* It's indicated these series of chips are poor multitasking performers.
* Consider power bill and chip cost compared to obtained computation.
* There are boards that are not compatible with this series of chips. If you need another board then there are risks of buying into old technology.

WARNING ABOVE

.

Hello Porskter:
3ghrtz on air for 4800+ Cherry picked? Maybe, but still

Consider powerbill? From Tom's since you quote his interesting multitask test

Boards I assume you are referring to are the KT890? Show me the number of dualcore compatible 939 AMD boards versus the the correpsonding already existent Intel dualcore boards.

Porkster; you seem to have ignored my response to your post

Also, you do realize a 200mgrhtz frequency increase on the AMD64 is like a 300-400mghrtz frequency increase on the PIV platform due to architectural designs correct? IPC, stages etc.

Edit: So in essence a 2400 X2 realclock up to 2600-2700 is like jumping from a 3200 PIV EE to a 3500-3700.

 

[Greenman]

If you just ignore Porskter he'll go away. Don't post anything in his threads and ignore anything he posts. No one is going to change his mind, and when you point out when he's wrong, he'll just make up more "facts" to prove he's right.
We all know what he is, some of us hate him and some of us pitty him, but we all want him to go away. So stop answering him and he will.

 

[HDTVMan]

The same reason Nvidia can charge over ATI charges 500 for its top video card. No Competition. 7 days from now that will change with Nvidia asking 500 or more for its top card. Top of the line comes with top of the line prices. Demand is always high on top of the line at first. Pre orders alone will take up the entire supply.

There are at least several dozen people in here who pay for 900+ for processors. Worldwide there are many more who want that power. So yes demand is high on a 600.00 CPU which is nothing to those who paid 1000.00 plus to get a pair of top end video cards.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: Greenman
If you just ignore Porskter he'll go away. Don't post anything in his threads and ignore anything he posts. No one is going to change his mind, and when you point out when he's wrong, he'll just make up more "facts" to prove he's right.
We all know what he is, some of us hate him and some of us pitty him, but we all want him to go away. So stop answering him and he will.

Actually the mods warned him to knock it off. I am attempting to respond to his replies constructively now, and we will see how it goes....

 

[bjc112]

I thought you were banned already?

ANd didn't Tankguys.com ship a few of the original OEM preorders.. ?

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: Greenman
If you just ignore Porskter he'll go away. Don't post anything in his threads and ignore anything he posts. No one is going to change his mind, and when you point out when he's wrong, he'll just make up more "facts" to prove he's right.
We all know what he is, some of us hate him and some of us pitty him, but we all want him to go away. So stop answering him and he will.

Actually the mods warned him to knock it off. I am attempting to respond to his replies constructively now, and we will see how it goes....

I also am asking him in non-inflammatory ways to asnwer my posts. If he ignores my post I will simply keep quoting my response to his post and ask him to respond. I am curious to the motivation that spurs him/her onward with some of the claims he/she makes. The most obvious is the one about the X2 drawing more power than a comparable Intel dualcore. I posted a link to Tom's directing contradicting him (since he likes to use Tom's interesting dualcore stress test as proof of AMD's poor multi-tasking which Anandech site itself showed Intel to lead (but not by much). All I ask is that porkster answer my reply to his/her post. I will not flame him/her.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Looking at the firing squad review from over a month ago, they were using an Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe with a beta bios. The Asus board isn't that great of an overclocking board and who knows how much the bios could hurt oc'ing. Gotta love Trolls starting flame wars.

 

[Markfw]

Yes, and I already posted a similar (if not the same) link showing Intel=315 watss, AMD= 185 watts, and he ignored it... Lets see how it goes now.... (BTW Anand showed similar results, I just used toms, sonce he seems to like that site)

 

[HDTVMan]

He has like 20 posts all negative and he registered like 7 days ago. Its apparent thats all he intends to do is annoy and mislead. Then he will register again once he is banned under a different name and start this all over again. With his call sign that of an Intel CPU can you expect anything less of what bad things he is going to say about AMD?

In reality no one should care. If Via started making the best cpu for the buck I would be using VIA. Thats what everyone should be thinking about. The best CPU for themselves without trying to critisize everyone else for the purchase they made. Its also apparent that the X2 is coming very soon since 2 sites on pricewatch are advertising it and one is already back ordered. And who cares if their ship date is 2 weeks later? That doesnt seem to be a manufacturing problem. Manufacturing problem would be that the CPU has been delayed indefinately. I would bet on a shipping glitch which has happened before more than anything.

 

[HDTVMan]

Plus Isnt it typical that AMD wants to get Chips into the hands of hardware companies like Alienware, Gateway, and HP before end users? So we have to wait 2 weeks big deal.