AMD unleashes first ever commercial “5GHz” CPU, the FX-9590

[GreenChile]

I think 5GHz max turbo and ~4.4 GHz fully loaded is a good bet. If they can get the turbo to 5 GHz on 2 threads it'll make a big difference in gaming performance, which to be frank is the only real weakness of the architecture.

5GHz on 2 threads isn't going to change the current 125W power draw very much if it's a better turbo with better binning and some process improvements since the last year.

I'd be surprised if they could keep it inside a 125W TDP with a 4.4 fully loaded base clock though. So either TDP goes up or base clocks stay close to POR.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Anand's article makes it sound like a replacement for 8350. I this is true, and it is readily available at the same price and real world power consumption (not just some bogus TDP) as the 8350 I would be impressed.

If OTOH, it is just some binned 8350 in limited numbers with a high tdp and price, who cares?

 

[SiliconWars]

I'd be surprised if they could keep it inside a 125W TDP with a 4.4 fully loaded base clock though. So either TDP goes up or base clocks stay close to POR.

But Richland got a 200-300 MHz speed bump for free in the same time period. If you double the cores and half that it should be a free 150 MHz (on the current 4.1 GHz full core turbo), and sans the IGP and some good binning I think 4.3-4.4 GHz should be doable at a similar TDP. Maybe not 125W, but say 140W which AMD has touched before with the Phenom (I) X4 9950.

 

[Imouto]

Even at 5Ghz it would lack badly behind in almost every game.

Its more likely a PR disaster ahead. The term that there is no bad PR will come to a trial.

ShintaiDK paradox all over again! He's posting in a thread that's not supposed to exist in this universe.

You're impressing me dude. A few predictions more like PS4 APU or this SKU and some company may hire you to forecast stuff... and then do the exact opposite.

 

[GreenChile]

But Richland got a 200-300 MHz speed bump for free in the same time period. If you double the cores and half that it should be a free 150 MHz (on the current 4.1 GHz full core turbo), and sans the IGP and some good binning I think 4.3-4.4 GHz should be doable at a similar TDP. Maybe not 125W, but say 140W which AMD has touched before with the Phenom (I) X4 9950.

I would agree with this.

Edit:
xbit article is saying the base clock is 4.7 for the 9590.

There will be two extreme FX microprocessor modules available: FX-9370 clocked at 4.40GHz with 4.70GHz maximum Turbo Core frequency as well as FX-9590 clocked at 4.70GHz with 5.00GHz maximum Turbo Core frequency.

Still no mention of TDP though. I don't believe it is possible to have this speed at under 200 TDP.

 

[inf64]

@ Imouto
That was funny, I have to admit

I don't see why OEM partners wouldn't like to use this kind of FX model. They don't need to fiddle with OCing, just put it in the certified board, strap on solid WC solution and market it as "5GHz out of the box" high end PC.

 

[Kuroimaho]

You forgot one more slide,

For reference,

FYI, x264 already supported AVX2 the moment haswell was out and most sites didn't test with it. Canned benchmarks don't support it yet, the one you used in particular is still built with x264 r2200 which has no avx2 support at all ( apart from detecting avx2 compatible cpus ), so what you linked was already outdated the moment it got posted, haswell does significantly better with the newest x264.

 

[Dinkydau]

Lol, I didn't expect this to be real. This is an interesting development worth following.

 

[SiliconWars]

ShintaiDK paradox all over again! He's posting in a thread that's not supposed to exist in this universe.

You're impressing me dude. A few predictions more like PS4 APU or this SKU and some company may hire you to forecast stuff... and then do the exact opposite.

I would agree with this.

Edit:
xbit article is saying the base clock is 4.7 for the 9590.

Still no mention of TDP though. I don't believe it is possible to have this speed at under 200 TDP.

I think the 9370 @ 4.4/4.7 is doable at the same TDP or close. Look at the numbering scheme and the 9370 should just be the new 8350 with a little bit extra.

4.7 GHz on 8 cores at similar TDP seems like a total fantasy though yeah.

 

[TidusZ]

I'd be more excited if Intel announced a 200W processor but at least AMD is heading in the right direction (forward rather than backwards with IB and haswell)

 

[SlowSpyder]

So I keep reading people say how hard this chip will be to cool, so I wanted to beat on my Phenom a bit to see what kind of power it uses and my temps. I only had a few minutes here, so this is just a quick five minute run.

With Cool & Quiet diabled I idle at about 170 watts (using a Kill a Watt). With the Intel Burn Test at its max difficulty my PC bounced between 430-435 watts. That's 260 watts getting used when my six cores are at 100% load, though I'm sure some of that power is memory too.

I'm using a five year old Scythe Ninja Copper and Arctic Silver 5 that I applied about a year and a half ago. I don't believe keeping this chip cool, even if the 220 watt TDP ends up to be legit, will be a problem as long as you are using good quality components.

 

[jpiniero]

I'd be more excited if Intel announced a 200W processor but at least AMD is heading in the right direction (forward rather than backwards with IB and haswell)

IIRC, there is talk of Intel doing 200W+ server processors. Not sure when, but probably Haswell-EX.

 

[chimaxi83]

Even at 5Ghz it would lack badly behind in almost every game.

Its more likely a PR disaster ahead. The term that there is no bad PR will come to a trial.

Do you get any kind of compensation for your constant Intel/Nvidia defense? I would at least like some free beer and peanuts for all the work you put in.

Anyway, not that I have any interest or need in AMD CPU's, but when was the last time you ever heard/read someone saying "I switched to AMD because my power bills were just too high!"? I'm genuinely curious if this has ever happened, because power consumption is always the argument.

Personal attacks WILL NOT be tolerated. For this and your many other infractions you've earned a vacation.
-ViRGE

 

[galego]

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/CPU-Hardware-154106/Specials/FX-9590-FX-9370-AMD-Centurion-1073412/

AMD says both the FX-9590 and the FX9370 will be "available from system integrators globally beginning this summer." There's no mention of retail availability—or of pricing, for that matter.

With about a 17% performance improvement this enthusiast chip would be nearly the level of haswell desktop. I am interested.

In multithreaded games such as Crysis 3, it would compete with Intel extreme 3960X.

 

[GreenChile]

Do you get any kind of compensation for your constant Intel/Nvidia defense? I would at least like some free beer and peanuts for all the work you put in.

Anyway, not that I have any interest or need in AMD CPU's, but when was the last time you ever heard/read someone saying "I switched to AMD because my power bills were just too high!"? I'm genuinely curious if this has ever happened, because power consumption is always the argument.

[redacted]

High power consumption also equals heat, lots of it. This is also a concern to go along with the power bills.

We're not having that stupid speculation. If you're serious about it, bring it up in Mod Discussions.
-ViRGE

 

[Sweepr]

What a joke. This will be as fast as a stock 3930K, at best.

Not really. This mid-2013 220W octo-core CPU will (at best) match 84W IGP-enabled i7-4770K in overall CPU performance at modern applications. Good old (soon-to-be-replaced) 130W 3930K is still on its own league. And both i7-4770K and 3930K probably have much more overclocking headroom than AMD's 220W CPU on air/water.

 

[parablooper]

I thought it was pretty clear that AMD decided to scrap the release of these processors.

I don't trust the German source at all, and if it really was a "leaked document" from inside AMD's labs I don't think they would be putting their Richland marketing picture next to the chart...

 

[Ayah]

So the interesting question will be if it even has any overclock room? Or is it simply cherry picked to meet the 5GHz turbo req.

 

[Centauri]

I thought it was pretty clear that AMD decided to scrap the release of these processors.

I don't trust the German source at all, and if it really was a "leaked document" from inside AMD's labs I don't think they would be putting their Richland marketing picture next to the chart...

Where have you been today?

 

[toyota]

With about a 17% performance improvement this enthusiast chip would be nearly the level of haswell desktop. I am interested.

In multithreaded games such as Crysis 3, it would compete with Intel extreme 3960X.

Haswell at 4.0 would match this while using less than half the power. no one cares about the 3960x as even an older 2600k can basically match the 3960x overall in games when both the cpus are oced.

 

[sxr7171]

@ Imouto
That was funny, I have to admit

I don't see why OEM partners wouldn't like to use this kind of FX model. They don't need to fiddle with OCing, just put it in the certified board, strap on solid WC solution and market it as "5GHz out of the box" high end PC.

But the market that would buy it would know better.

 

[sxr7171]

Haswell at 4.0 would match this while using less than half the power. no one cares about the 3960x as even an older 2600k can basically match the 3960x overall in games when both the cpus are oced.

And haswell will hit 4.0 blindfolded. Getting something extra from this would be like trying to draw blood from a stone. I'm sure there's some headroom, but I doubt you'd get much. And 1200w PSU for this? I'm having a hard time seeing who this is for?

 

[grimpr]

Me.

Because I still need an air conditioner running 24/7 to keep me cool. This system will OWN in the winter though. Lol.... I can't wait for the review though.

You sure didnt miss out that AMD cpus max out on 70c, stay generally at 35-40 and average at 60c right? Now, compare with Haswell and see whos the real Room Heater (tm) of 2013. I vote Intel.

 

[sxr7171]

You sure didnt miss out that AMD cpus max out on 70c, stay generally at 35-40 and average at 60c right? Now, compare with Haswell and see whos the real Room Heater (tm) of 2013. I vote Intel.

You're confusing temperature and power.

 

[ShintaiDK]

You sure didnt miss out that AMD cpus max out on 70c, stay generally at 35-40 and average at 60c right? Now, compare with Haswell and see whos the real Room Heater (tm) of 2013. I vote Intel.

2 issues.

As said above, you confuse power and temperature. Basic thermodynamics.

And AMD measures their temperature a different place and adds an offset. So the 2 cant be compared. Not to mention AMD is unwilling to define any specs for the same reason.