AMD Vega builders thread - rx 64 & rx 56

[zinfamous]

So I keep sitting on the idea of a Vega 56 (the Sapphire Pulse), but I feel like I am in limbo period right now.

--I will be upgrading to 1440p, 100hz+, Freesync
--I want something that can push that decently, for quite some time, or at least temporarily if not too expensive
--Seems like a "sorta" refresh of Vega is coming end of this year or next year...or not at all? With Glo-Fo bowing out of 7nm entirely, I'm not sure what this means for Navi or a possible refresh of Vega on 7nm...will we still see some surprise thing regarding a consumer GPU as an early TSMC offering from AMD, or are they completely focused on EPYC and Zen when it comes to their business with TSMC?
--...and idea if an RX 580 has relatively decent performance at 1440, assuming Freesync? I'm fine with the idea of going with a cheaper 580 for a year or two. The only next gen/new game I am looking forward to is Cyberpunk, which I doubt a 580 will be able to handle well on that kind of display by the time it releases (also not sure about current Vega 56), and a few "old" games that are always new to me, like GTA V--now is about the time in my normal cycle where I would play a game like GTA V

...Basically CD Project Red is the only company at the moment that I will pre-purchase or day-of purchase a product. Otherwise...I'm rarely weeks, but usually years-out from playing the newer games.

 

[jackstar7]

So I keep sitting on the idea of a Vega 56 (the Sapphire Pulse), but I feel like I am in limbo period right now.

--I will be upgrading to 1440p, 100hz+, Freesync
--I want something that can push that decently, for quite some time, or at least temporarily if not too expensive
--Seems like a "sorta" refresh of Vega is coming end of this year or next year...or not at all? With Glo-Fo bowing out of 7nm entirely, I'm not sure what this means for Navi or a possible refresh of Vega on 7nm...will we still see some surprise thing regarding a consumer GPU as an early TSMC offering from AMD, or are they completely focused on EPYC and Zen when it comes to their business with TSMC?
--...and idea if an RX 580 has relatively decent performance at 1440, assuming Freesync? I'm fine with the idea of going with a cheaper 580 for a year or two. The only next gen/new game I am looking forward to is Cyberpunk, which I doubt a 580 will be able to handle well on that kind of display by the time it releases (also not sure about current Vega 56), and a few "old" games that are always new to me, like GTA V--now is about the time in my normal cycle where I would play a game like GTA V

...Basically CD Project Red is the only company at the moment that I will pre-purchase or day-of purchase a product. Otherwise...I'm rarely weeks, but usually years-out from playing the newer games.

Do you have a budget cap for this purchase?

 

[zinfamous]

Do you have a budget cap for this purchase?

...budget?

seriously though, not more than $500, really. I prefer the $400 range, and I like the price of the 580 right now, but I'm thinking that might put me in some thought pattern that I need to replace it within 2 years, and for a greater cost.

FWiW, I'm still mostly satisfied with my current 280X, which I've had for about 5 years now, but on 1080P and on a mixture of high and low settings, was able to push mostly 40-50 FPS on Witcher 3. Not sure I've messed with anything more demanding than that, to be honest.

 

[Paratus]

So I keep sitting on the idea of a Vega 56 (the Sapphire Pulse), but I feel like I am in limbo period right now.

--I will be upgrading to 1440p, 100hz+, Freesync
--I want something that can push that decently, for quite some time, or at least temporarily if not too expensive
--Seems like a "sorta" refresh of Vega is coming end of this year or next year...or not at all? With Glo-Fo bowing out of 7nm entirely, I'm not sure what this means for Navi or a possible refresh of Vega on 7nm...will we still see some surprise thing regarding a consumer GPU as an early TSMC offering from AMD, or are they completely focused on EPYC and Zen when it comes to their business with TSMC?
--...and idea if an RX 580 has relatively decent performance at 1440, assuming Freesync? I'm fine with the idea of going with a cheaper 580 for a year or two. The only next gen/new game I am looking forward to is Cyberpunk, which I doubt a 580 will be able to handle well on that kind of display by the time it releases (also not sure about current Vega 56), and a few "old" games that are always new to me, like GTA V--now is about the time in my normal cycle where I would play a game like GTA V

...Basically CD Project Red is the only company at the moment that I will pre-purchase or day-of purchase a product. Otherwise...I'm rarely weeks, but usually years-out from playing the newer games.

I’ve been very happy with my Powercolor Red Devil RX Vega 56.

In time spy it scores between a 1070Ti and 1080, (7000-7300 overall score and graphics score). With minimal tweaking, while running pretty quiet and at around 215W.

Of the few games I’ve played on it (Doom 2016, War Thunder) it stays pegged at 60FPS on my 60HZ 1440P IPS display.

In doom if I take v-sync off it’ll run well above 100.

If you can get one for a good price I don’t think you’ll be unhappy for the next couple of years at 1440P.

 

[zinfamous]

I’ve been very happy with my Powercolor Red Devil RX Vega 56.

In time spy it scores between a 1070Ti and 1080, (7000-7300 overall score and graphics score). With minimal tweaking, while running pretty quiet and at around 215W.

Of the few games I’ve played on it (Doom 2016, War Thunder) it stays pegged at 60FPS on my 60HZ 1440P IPS display.

In doom if I take v-sync off it’ll run well above 100.

If you can get one for a good price I don’t think you’ll be unhappy for the next couple of years at 1440P.

AH, thanks. I couldn't recall if these were on the performance tier of 1070-1070ti or not, as I last recall the 64 only butting heads with 1080, and just barely. That seemed already like a minimal gap within which to cram this one; but it has been many months since I paid attention to where all of these stand, especially the better AIB cards. ~1070ti is basically what I was looking for, but with Freesync.

I'll have to check, but I think the Red Devil will be too long for my case--it's a mini ATX. Also, I'm slowly parting out a full rebuild, but if I were to jump on something like this soon (GPU + display), might cram them into my current system with a Xeon E3-1231 v3 and 16GB of potato RAM. I only ever read good stuff about the Pulse version, and it's short.

Doom 2016...hard to say much with that. It's a highly optimized game and I wonder if my 280X could push near 50 frames @1440.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

Any one hear any rumors about how much AMD will be discounting the Vega series cards to compete with the New Nvidia 20xx series cards? I would personally like to see $100-$150 price drop on the Vega 64 and $50-75 for the Vega 56.I just dont understand how the Vega 64 can still be almost $600 when a GTX 1080 non ti version can be had for $429-$450 on newegg right now and they will only get cheaper in the coming days and weeks due to the RTX 20xx getting ready to release.

 

[zinfamous]

Any one hear any rumors about how much AMD will be discounting the Vega series cards to compete with the New Nvidia 20xx series cards? I would personally like to see $100-$150 price drop on the Vega 64 and $50-75 for the Vega 56.I just dont understand how the Vega 64 can still be almost $600 when a GTX 1080 non ti version can be had for $429-$450 on newegg right now and they will only get cheaper in the coming days and weeks due to the RTX 20xx getting ready to release.

I'm honestly not sure if we will see any real price drops from AMD or Nvidia in response to 20xx. Those RTX things are already priced well-above the Pascal cards, as if they exist in some other world. That pricing might even work well for both groups, as Nvidia will see some shelves clearing of 1080Ti when consumers realize what kind of performance they are getting compared to 2080 and the price demanded of 2080. The shelf-shoppers might be confused enough by the tiers and generation age, stroll by those "high-end" AMD cards and price compare with these hundreds of Nvidia cards and convince themselves that paying near-1080ti prices for near-1080 performance is QUITE THE BARGAIN because look at the price on the 2080 and I have no idea what is going on! I know, sounds weird, but people are weird.

Despite these prices, Vega seems to be selling well enough in the markets that want them, even when prices are back to "normal." My guess is that the next big price move from AMD will signal an upcoming announcement or release of a refresh of some sort. I wouldn't be surprised if they actually start making a Vega refresh on GloFo's upcoming 12nm LPX++RHLTSRH process thingy that they were harping in their price release about why they are abandoning the future...their claim being that this very super fancy special 12nm process is really "a super amazing 10nm process." We'll see...

 

[PeterScott]

Any one hear any rumors about how much AMD will be discounting the Vega series cards to compete with the New Nvidia 20xx series cards? I would personally like to see $100-$150 price drop on the Vega 64 and $50-75 for the Vega 56.I just dont understand how the Vega 64 can still be almost $600 when a GTX 1080 non ti version can be had for $429-$450 on newegg right now and they will only get cheaper in the coming days and weeks due to the RTX 20xx getting ready to release.

I think Vega is simply too expensive to produce to get any kind of significant sustained price cut.

 

[Paratus]

AH, thanks. I couldn't recall if these were on the performance tier of 1070-1070ti or not, as I last recall the 64 only butting heads with 1080, and just barely. That seemed already like a minimal gap within which to cram this one; but it has been many months since I paid attention to where all of these stand, especially the better AIB cards. ~1070ti is basically what I was looking for, but with Freesync.

I'll have to check, but I think the Red Devil will be too long for my case--it's a mini ATX. Also, I'm slowly parting out a full rebuild, but if I were to jump on something like this soon (GPU + display), might cram them into my current system with a Xeon E3-1231 v3 and 16GB of potato RAM. I only ever read good stuff about the Pulse version, and it's short.

Doom 2016...hard to say much with that. It's a highly optimized game and I wonder if my 280X could push near 50 frames @1440.

I’m still rocking the equivalent 7970 GHz edition in my old rig. Still plays most things at 1080P just fine. Only real issue I was worried about was the now small 3GB of VRAM.

The Red Devil is 2.5 slots so it might be a tough fit. However Vega likes cooling.

If you are in a mini-atx box just be forewarned that temperatures are the performance killers for both Vega and Pascal. Although depending on what voltage that sapphire pulse card runs you might be able to undervolt and OC.

I’ve met with limited success undervolting mostly because my card nominally doesn’t run higher than 1.05V and on the silent bios it averages <1.0V & 190W 3DM TS 6700pts.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

I think Vega is simply too expensive to produce to get any kind of significant sustained price cut.

This is exactly what I was thinking as well. I am guessing this is because of the specialty GPU die and HBM memory they are using now, instead of them using DDR5 or DDR6??
Yeah I kinda knew my hoping for a $100-$150 price drop was wishful thinking.
Would like to see a Vega refresh with a better refined 12nm or 10nm process.
Something that would be maybe slightly better then the 1080 or close to the 1080 ti.
Dont care to much about RTS at the moment cause there are like zero games that even use it right now that I know of.
OK, well maybe there are a couple but I dont feel like paying $750 at this point in time for a hand full of games that can use RTS at the moment.
Maybe after a year or so when it becomes more of a standard thing built into most games.

 

[greedaz]

Do you guys think the Sapphire Nitro Vega 64 at $499 (Newegg) is worth jumping on? Or keep waiting (I am not really in any hurry, other than replacing my GTX 970 that is starting to act a little weird)?

 

[Malogeek]

Do you guys think the Sapphire Nitro Vega 64 at $499 (Newegg) is worth jumping on? Or keep waiting (I am not really in any hurry, other than replacing my GTX 970 that is starting to act a little weird)?

I wouldn't buy any GPUs at the moment. At least wait until after the 14th.

 

[jpiniero]

I wouldn't buy any GPUs at the moment. At least wait until after the 14th.

Well, Vega 64 isn't going to be "cut" much further than $499. It's the kind of thing where if AMD "has to" cut it further, it will be discontinued. I do think it's unlikely they need to cut the price however.

 

[zinfamous]

Do you guys think the Sapphire Nitro Vega 64 at $499 (Newegg) is worth jumping on? Or keep waiting (I am not really in any hurry, other than replacing my GTX 970 that is starting to act a little weird)?

dang, that thing is only $20 more than the Pulse Vega 56....and priced ~$20 less than the Nitro+ 56....what is going on here? I was avoiding the long cards because of my miniITX case, but I just checked again because of that price...looks like I would have exactly 5mm of tolerance with this card, lol. Not sure what that means for running cables, though, and also the triple slot depth of this card and the PSU that I think will be sitting beneath it.

Hmm, very tempted with that now...

 

[greedaz]

dang, that thing is only $20 more than the Pulse Vega 56....and priced ~$20 less than the Nitro+ 56....what is going on here? I was avoiding the long cards because of my miniITX case, but I just checked again because of that price...looks like I would have exactly 5mm of tolerance with this card, lol. Not sure what that means for running cables, though, and also the triple slot depth of this card and the PSU that I think will be sitting beneath it.

Hmm, very tempted with that now...

I know, I was surprised when I glanced at the 64s after looking at 56 prices. Part of me knows its smarter to wait for the RTXs to see how things move around, but as another poster said, these probably cant drop much more. So tempted

 

[Malogeek]

Well, Vega 64 isn't going to be "cut" much further than $499. It's the kind of thing where if AMD "has to" cut it further, it will be discontinued. I do think it's unlikely they need to cut the price however.

I'm not just referring to price though. If @greedaz is only looking at AMD then it looks like a great deal and as you said, probably won't go down much further. But if looking at both, I'd wait to see what the new cards bring, but also how the pricing turns out for Pascal, since 1080's can already be had for $450 and less.

 

[greedaz]

I'm not just referring to price though. If @greedaz is only looking at AMD then it looks like a great deal and as you said, probably won't go down much further. But if looking at both, I'd wait to see what the new cards bring, but also how the pricing turns out for Pascal, since 1080's can already be had for $450 and less.

So I know its irrational and will cost me some performance and cash, but I've basically sworn off Nvidia. I cant stand the way they operate.

 

[Shmee]

As I mentioned in another thread, according to one of the front page articles here, 7nm Vega should be coming this year. May want to wait for that. https://www.anandtech.com/show/13279/amd-to-fab-7nm-cpus-gpus-at-tsmc

 

[Malogeek]

As I mentioned in another thread, according to one of the front page articles here, 7nm Vega should be coming this year. May want to wait for that. https://www.anandtech.com/show/13279/amd-to-fab-7nm-cpus-gpus-at-tsmc

Professional only card though this year.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

As I mentioned in another thread, according to one of the front page articles here, 7nm Vega should be coming this year. May want to wait for that. https://www.anandtech.com/show/13279/amd-to-fab-7nm-cpus-gpus-at-tsmc

Oohhh, I didnt know this was happening so soon... I thought not till spring next year? If true I will hold off and just grab me a 7nm Vega for the holidays and say screw you to Nvidia.
$750 for a darn RTX 2070 is total price gouging nonsense.
Although that Sapphire Vega 64 for $500 was looking pretty good till they sold out in like 2 seconds lol.
They also have the Red Devil Vega 64 for $530 plus 10% off open box. not sure if its worth the gamble or not on an open box item.
I guess I really have another 14 days or so to make up my mind but right now I am leaning on 7nm Vega!!

 

[maddie]

As I mentioned in another thread, according to one of the front page articles here, 7nm Vega should be coming this year. May want to wait for that. https://www.anandtech.com/show/13279/amd-to-fab-7nm-cpus-gpus-at-tsmc

As others have said, no Vega 7nm for gaming announced. Navi however, has been announced for next year and this will have the NGG fixed plus whatever additional features and frequency improvements. Vega appears to have been a broken design implementation in some aspects.

 

[PeterScott]

$750 for a darn RTX 2070 is total price gouging nonsense.

Typo in there somewhere? RTX 2070 is the $500-$600 card.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

Dont think it was a typo. when newegg had the RTX 2070 up for preorder it said $750 but now I cant confirm that cause I cant find the stupid preorder page they had sent me. Any one else still have there preorder email link they could post here so I can check the prices again?

 

[PeterScott]

Dont think it was a typo. when newegg had the RTX 1070 up for preorder it said $750 but now I cant confirm that cause I cant find the stupid preorder page they had sent me. Any one else still have there preorder email link they could post here so I can check the prices again?

Before it went out of stock, there were real official $750 pre-orders for RTX 1080 ($50 less than FE).

RTX 2070 aren't officially open for pre-orders like 2080ti/2080. When they are, even the NVidia FE straight from NV, will be $600. Lets not pretend any kind of unofficial pre-pre-order, means anything.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

Oh that could be maybe i just got the number of the cards confused.. Anyways that is still to much to be asking for a graphics card to play games with or watch movies with ect..