AMD Vega (FE and RX) Benchmarks [Updated Aug 10 - RX Vega 64 Unboxing]

[tential]

I can't believe the amount of people who now are perfectly fine with gtx 1080 levels of performance. Before, the amd hopeful crowd, myself included, believed this card would compete on with the 1080ti that at worst case scenarios we'd get last generation levels of competition.

I can't even believe that gtx 1080 levels of performance for the top end card from amd 1 full year after the gtx 1080 releases is acceptable now.

Seriously you needed 1 year to get a $100 on a gtx 1080 that uses more power?

It's painfully clear now that there is zero value put on time when it comes to discussions on this forum.

Personally, I just can't believe this happened. I just didn't think I could get a worse outcome than last generation.

 

[tamz_msc]

SJW garbage? Wow. I would refrain from hypocrite comments like that, especially when you delete defending comments but keep the accusing ones.

Incoming banhammer in 3..2..1..

 

[tential]

Also, if you game at 4k this sucks like no other.

You either get a terrible gtx 1080 level of performance card from amd that you could have gotten last year and game at subpar 4k levels. But at least the setup is affordable (my 4k monitor was $380).

Or, you game on Nvidia, get a 4k monitor (equivalent monitor for me is $1300!!!!!!) and a real 4k setup and spend $2000.

You spend $1000 and can barely game at 4k with amd or spend an extra $1k.

The middle ground of going crossfire with amd is also terrible since you deal with those compatibility issues.

I'm disappointed all around currently.

Edit : that's $1300 for an Nvidia gsync monitor that will be completely obsolete in 2 years. Lol... I mean... What good choice is there for a 4k adaptive sync gamer....

 

[thilanliyan]

I'll reserve judgement until the gaming focused card arrives but what we have seen so far is disappointing. Looks like my 290s will need to keep chugging

 

[parvadomus]

If this thing is barely at GTX1080 level, I really dont know what AMD was thinking.
Its easy to imagine a 300m2 polaris with +50% everything 48rops/3000 shadres/384bits very easy getting into 1080 territory.
Even a Hawaii die shrunk (updated to polaris) would do it even better..

 

[USER8000]

get rid of the cheap Chinese design team, and reboot RTG in America where it belongs.

Digital media processor developer Nvidia Corp. has opened an office in Beijing, mainland China. The new office will be responsible for marketing, sales promotion, customer service, and technical support in China, and expected to complement existing Nvidia offices and design centers in Shenzhen, Shanghai, and Hong Kong.

They also have a design centre in Hyderabad India:

https://hyderabad360.wordpress.com/2007/08/04/nvidia-opens-design-center-in-hyderabad/

Both Lisa Su and Jensen Huang are born in Taiwan.

I think trying to blame the country has nothing to do with Vega being good or bad - Nvidia is doing very well last time I checked and they have designs centres worldwide.

Look at how many US tech companies have gone tits up too - most of the parts you buy for your PC are built by Chinese and Taiwanese companies.

Where do you think Gigabyte,Asus,MSI,etc are located in??

Most global companies have design teams everywhere.

 

[tamz_msc]

Edit : that's $1300 for an Nvidia gsync monitor that will be completely obsolete in 2 years. Lol... I mean... What good choice is there for a 4k adaptive sync gamer....

Gsync won't be around in two years? Like we haven't heard THAT before..

 

[tential]

Gsync won't be around in two years? Like we haven't heart THAT before..

Where did I say gsync won't be around?
The monitor will be obsolete. 4k 144hz monitors get released this year!

I'm not using a 4k 60hz monitor in 2 years... I'm throwing it in the trash where it belongs (OK ok second monitor maybe).

There isn't a great path forward for a 4k adaptive sync gamer currently. Everywhere requires massive replacement costs or extremely subpar performance.

 

[piesquared]

Did you decide to ignore this?

I didn't ignore anything. Pointing out what the chart says.

 

[tamz_msc]

Where did I say gsync won't be around?
The monitor will be obsolete. 4k 144hz monitors get released this year!

I'm not using a 4k 60hz monitor in 2 years... I'm throwing it in the trash where it belongs (OK ok second monitor maybe).

There isn't a great path forward for a 4k adaptive sync gamer currently. Everywhere requires massive replacement costs or extremely subpar performance.

You clearly have a problem there if your GPU upgrades can't keep up with your monitor upgrades. If you expect a GPU that is 2.5x faster than a GTX 1080 Ti to drive 4K@144Hz in two years, then, euphemistically speaking, you are quite hopeful.

 

[Malogeek]

I didn't ignore anything. Pointing out what the chart says.

Really? Because my quoted part was in the same sentence. How is that not ignoring it? Your quote was specifically misleading.

 

[Cloudfire777]

Raja should be fired

AMD should fire the marketing department

Stop with the stupid hype with new product teasers. Dont build up expectations with events like Capascin where you reveal you are just working on a new undisclosed architecture. Followed by a new Capascin event later where you present just the name. Its stupid. You only let people down.

You present the cards with a in-depth presentation of the architecture and most of the stuff. Then you formally launch the cards and let people buy it. Thats it.
Not 10 events.

If you have a product that still doesnt beat the competition after say 6 months. You dont delay it further and further and let the competition get time to prep up a new architecture that will even be better than the last just to give them a chance at a complete knock out.
Im looking at you Vega and Volta...

You issue out reviewer cards to established reviewer sites. You dont refuse to send out samples and the average joe compare your product in chaos. Meaning different rigs and different hardware testet togethef under different maps in a game for example. Thats asking for an unfair view on your products.

There is just too much wrong with AMD. Especially the Radeon part.

Back to my first to points:
Fire Raja and the marketing department. Start with that

 

[Glo.]

I guess it is time to pull out popcorn, enjoy the doom and gloom.

Ryzen has not taught people to not judge new architecture after first glimpses of performance, I guess.

Im wondering also, when people will get that AMD did not send the GPUs to reviewers, because - the drivers are not ready, to show final product?

 

[tential]

You clearly have a problem there if your GPU upgrades can't keep up with your monitor upgrades. If you expect a GPU that is 2.5x faster than a GTX 1080 Ti to drive 4K@144Hz in two years, then, euphemistically speaking, you are quite hopeful.

4k 144hz would be useful today.... I don't need a 2.5x faster gpu to utilize a higher refresh rate in overwatch, counterstrike, Dota 2, etc. I need a better 4k monitor.

I feel this needs to be addressed in a thread talking about a 4k gpu like Vega since this is a common misconception. If you're the target market for highend gaming you need to educate yourself on the uses of high refresh rates.

Both Vega and a 1080ti will make great use of 4k 144hz monitors.
It goes back to what I stated.
You go Vega, get a cheap 4k 60 hz monitor and upgrade to the real 4k 144hz endgame monitor. But you'll have subpar levels of 4k ultra gaming experience.
Or you go 1080ti, pay a fortune for a 4k 60hz monitor (I did not factor 4k monitors below 30 inches into this. That's a joke). Then you pay ab even larger fortune for a 4k 144hz monitor.

So you either spend a fortune and game at quality levels or spend a pittance and get boring levels of 4k performance.

 

[Glo.]

4k 144hz would be useful today.... I don't need a 2.5x faster gpu to utilize a higher refresh rate in overwatch, counterstrike, Dota 2, etc. I need a better 4k monitor.

I feel this needs to be addressed in a thread talking about a 4k gpu like Vega since this is a common misconception. If you're the target market for highend gaming you need to educate yourself on the uses of high refresh rates.

Both Vega and a 1080ti will make great use of 4k 144hz monitors.
It goes back to what I stated.
You go Vega, get a cheap 4k 60 hz monitor and upgrade to the real 4k 144hz endgame monitor. But you'll have subpar levels of 4k ultra gaming experience.
Or you go 1080ti, pay a fortune for a 4k 60hz monitor (I did not factor 4k monitors below 30 inches into this. That's a joke). Then you pay ab even larger fortune for a 4k 144hz monitor.

So you either spend a fortune and game at quality levels or spend a pittance and get boring levels of 4k performance.

How do you know all this. We know nothing, at this point, yet you jump to conclusions about the hardware.

 

[Mr Evil]

... What good choice is there for a 4k adaptive sync gamer....

You should have bought a Fury two years ago when they were the clear choice for cost-effective 4k.

 

[USER8000]

Is it me or does AMD have a tendency to dig holes for itself at almost every GPU launch?? This is a problem which has existed for a very long time now,so I think it is more of an endemic problem in the company. You could see this partially with the Ryzen launch where they rushed out the chips with buggy motherboards and people were waiting weeks in many parts of the world to actually get motherboards since there were not enough to go around. If they had waited a few more weeks,so the motherboard supply caught up and the BIOSes had also caught up,it would have made the launch look somewhat better than it was.

The same happened with the Fury X - hardly any stock and they rushed them off,when they could have waited a few weeks for actual supply to be there and they could have done better QC on the cooler.

I mean what did they expect when they released the Frontier Edition?? Nobody would try some game benchmarks on it - FFS PC Perspective have already ordered some of the cards,and if AMD has not got some better gaming drivers out,its going to look an utter disaster.

What a way to dampen some of the good vibes from Ryzen.

 

[Glo.]

Is it me or does AMD have a tendency to dig holes for itself at almost every GPU launch?? This is a problem which has existed for a very long time now,so I think it is more of an endemic problem in the company. You could see this partially with the Ryzen launch where they rushed out the chips with buggy motherboards and people were waiting weeks in many parts of the world to actually get motherboards since there were not enough to go around. If they had waited a few more weeks,so the motherboard supply caught up and the BIOSes had also caught up,it would have made the launch look somewhat better than it was.

Fottemberg have said that CPU marketing team, which is separate from GPU marketing is much better.

Well, draw your own conclusions, based on Vega and Ryzen launches.

 

[Malogeek]

Im wondering also, when people will get that AMD did not send the GPUs to reviewers, because - the drivers are not ready, to show final product?

So instead they let the public grab hold of FE, provide not-ready gaming drivers and let them run rampant with uncontrolled testing, live youtube streams from random people, screenshots of benchmarks with no related information. Yes this was a much better idea.

Many people will base their opinion of Vega upon this, and AMD knew that would happen but went this FE route anyway. The only reasons I can think of are strict requirements by investors to release in original intended 1H2017 and to have a high margin product like Nvidia.

 

[USER8000]

Fottemberg have said that CPU marketing team, which is separate from GPU marketing is much better.

Well, draw your own conclusions, based on Vega and Ryzen launches.

I mean Nvidia and Intel have design teams in India and China,and they are doing very well,so I think this more down to internal organisation and marketing at AMD. Sure,it does not help HBM2 had a lot of problems and AMD lacks R and D money to have suitable backup plans,but some of these issues are a lack of commonsense.

The problem is even the CPU marketing team does stupid things - remember that article they did with Anandtech regarding laptops where a number of them were not even the same as model you could buy??

These are schoolboy level errors and its not the first time its happened. They don't seem to understand first impressions count. When is the last time we had a new AMD graphics card launch without some problem and I am not talking about rebrands??

So instead they let the public grab hold of FE, provide not-ready gaming drivers and let them run rampant with uncontrolled testing, live youtube streams from random people, screenshots of benchmarks with no related information. Yes this was a much better idea.

Many people will base their opinion of Vega upon this, and AMD knew that would happen but went this FE route anyway. The only reasons I can think of are strict requirements by investors to release in original intended 1H2017 and to have a high margin product like Nvidia.

Then don't release it with gaming drivers,or even state the gaming drivers are for feature validation purposes but not representative of final performance - not just release it and hope they find a four leaf clover and everything will fall into place.

 

[Glo.]

So instead they let the public grab hold of FE, provide not-ready gaming drivers and let them run rampant with uncontrolled testing, live youtube streams from random people, screenshots of benchmarks with no related information. Yes this was a much better idea.

Many people will base their opinion of Vega upon this, and AMD knew that would happen but went this FE route anyway. The only reasons I can think of are strict requirements by investors to release in original intended 1H2017 and to have a high margin product like Nvidia.

That is correct. Nobody can say that Vega frontier is not delivering in terms of compute performance, for workstation applications.

Actually it is best performance per dollar GPU, there is, in this matter.

 

[Mopetar]

What has been rumored at the time of Vega presentation(January, the driver 17.1.1 is also from January) that in that moment it was ONLY Fury X drivers, tuned only to work "just" with Vega architecture.

This may answer few questions.

That would explain the awful performance as well as the limited or non-existanent differences between pro and gaming modes. However, AMD still absolutely failed to communicate this effectively. That's the kind of big bold text that should appear next to the download for the gaming drivers.

The problem being Ryzen is in a shrinking market. Makes no sense to focus there.

Ryzen is competitive with Intel and because of how it was designed they're producing exactly one die that they can use in any market, which makes it a lot more flexible. Unless Vega gets some decent drivers and has reasonably gaming performance, it doesn't make much sense to focus on those beyond what can be sold into the HPC market because you make over twice as many Ryzen dies as you can Vega dies (never mind that more of the Ryzen dies will be defect free) and can sell them across multiple product lines. If Vega is a dud for gaming the margins will have to dropped to sell cards. Even if the overall market for Ryzen is shrinking, it makes more economic for AMD to produce a product that can maximize revenue. Yes, AMD has a fan base that will still buy Vega and if its good for mining it can sell there as well, but not at the same margins that could be had producing Ryzen dies instead.

Navi is supposedly the same design approach as Ryzen where it's multiple, smaller chips that can be combined together. That's where AMD needs to get because its clear they don't have the resources for more than a few different designs.

Back to my first to points:
Fire Raja and the marketing department. Start with that

I think that AMD's marketing department has been okay, but whoever is running it or keeping them from information they need to convey to customers should be fired. Raja's anemic presentations are pretty much enough to kill excitement on their own. They need to do a better job of explaining to the people in charge what they need and why they need it, but if their hands are tied I can't fault them for bad decisions made higher up the ladder.

 

[tamz_msc]

4k 144hz would be useful today.... I don't need a 2.5x faster gpu to utilize a higher refresh rate in overwatch, counterstrike, Dota 2, etc. I need a better 4k monitor.

I feel this needs to be addressed in a thread talking about a 4k gpu like Vega since this is a common misconception. If you're the target market for highend gaming you need to educate yourself on the uses of high refresh rates.

Both Vega and a 1080ti will make great use of 4k 144hz monitors.
It goes back to what I stated.
You go Vega, get a cheap 4k 60 hz monitor and upgrade to the real 4k 144hz endgame monitor. But you'll have subpar levels of 4k ultra gaming experience.
Or you go 1080ti, pay a fortune for a 4k 60hz monitor (I did not factor 4k monitors below 30 inches into this. That's a joke). Then you pay ab even larger fortune for a 4k 144hz monitor.

So you either spend a fortune and game at quality levels or spend a pittance and get boring levels of 4k performance.

As far as I'm aware, when people go 4K they tend to drop quality settings, particularly in FPS games, and especially in CSGO. Even a GTX 1080 can do Overwatch 4K ultra at 90+ FPS.

There is no experience that can be labelled as sub-par when it comes to resolutions and refresh rates. 4K@144Hz is not some holy grail, people need to understand that. It's about personal preference.

 

[beginner99]

Ryzen has not taught people to not judge new architecture after first glimpses of performance, I guess.

Ryzens first glimpses were actually pretty good including power use. The picture would already be a lot different if it used same or less power than a GTX 1080.

 

[Pinstripe]

Navi needs to be something truly out of this world unless they somehow manage to pull a miracle with rx Vega yet.

To be honest, I don't expect Navi to be anything else than a Vega 7nm shrink. Perhaps a slight upgrade to GFX IP 9.1.