The FE launch has been a disaster. It will still be so, even if they manage to pull off a miracle with RX Vega. They've already lost a non-negligible number of sales. Regardless of the official disclaimers, most people will believe (and not unreasonably so) that Vega FE will be within ~10% of RX Vega. These people are giving up on AMD and buying 1080 Ti's. They won't go back and buy a RX Vega even if the release day drivers boost gaming performance by enough to beat GP102.
If RX turns out to be cheap enough to make it worthwhile, they can't recover those lost sales from all the bad press they are getting now.if rx vega turns out to be much better, the whole thing turns around to become massively good press.
This only proves that AMD shouldn't have released anything until they got things working.AMD has actually said a lot.
https://www.reddit.com/user/gfxchiptweeter
but people don't pay attention. the claims of new architecture and how hard drivers are to develop and that the team wishes it really was tuned polaris. etc. uses infinity fabric, its a soc
With 3x 8-pin pcie connectors?I suppose it is possible they say 'screw it' to the TDP, we are going to make a 410-500W beast, and that very well could be a fast card, but, I don't really see how they will market that.
If RX turns out to be cheap enough to make it worthwhile, they can't recover those lost sales from all the bad press they are getting now.
This only proves that AMD shouldn't have released anything until they got things working.
AMD set its own deadline for when to launch, forum people had no say in the matter--they were just fed up waiting & waiting, and when they finally got some news, it wasn't something they could point to and say, 'glad I waited!'.
Yeah, the diehards will still wait it out until the RX comes out, and if that fails to impress or provide 'best bang for the buck', AMD is going to have a huge problem.
I suppose it is possible they say 'screw it' to the TDP, we are going to make a 410-500W beast, and that very well could be a fast card, but, I don't really see how they will market that.
We all hope Vega RX can somehow perform a miracle, and have solid competition at the high end, but it is looking more like this other well known Vega.
Nope, wasn't trying to say that.What? You mean AMD telling gamers to wait for RX Vega is too hard to understand? Isnt clear enough? That statement seems pretty straight forward to me, im not sure there is even any room for interpretation.
The card is released to people other than gamers, so what right do 'gamers' have to decide that that market shouldnt have the cards? Are gamers some special group that decide what, where, and when things will be done?
It seems to me the "die hards" you speak of are the people capable of reading comprehension and common sense, and those that arent buying into the shill story line.
If RX turns out to be cheap enough to make it worthwhile, they can't recover those lost sales from all the bad press they are getting now.
Nope, wasn't trying to say that.
The vast majority of people are clueless when it comes to this stuff, they rely on word of mouth.
AMD already has a hard time getting traction on their Polaris line, even though in most cases, it IS the best bang for the buck.
This is just more bad press, that floats down over all their products.
The diehards I speak of are the more tech knowledgeable people, who will wait it out, and get all the facts before making a buying decision.
Sorry if that wasn't clear.
Understood. But AMD already made it clear what the card was intended for. .
Because it's obvious that it's spin because the gaming performance isn't there right now.
They didn't make it clear enough, since the Pro drivers are missing. I made a different thread about it here: http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/radeon-vega-frontiers-pro-drivers-mia.2510071/#post-38964088Understood. But AMD already made it clear what the card was intended for. They stressed several times that the card is intented for developer/professional market, and has a game mode that allows those folks to 'playtest' their code. They conveyed the message, the responsibility then falls on responsible tech journalists to in turn convey the message. Instead what we got was a tabloid style review conveying the exact opposite message, probably because they wanted 'to teach that darn AMD a lesson', and prioritized gaming above all else and that is what is setting the tone currently. AMD cant control how the internet reacts, and frankly it is the lobyists that are controlling the message. It wouldnt matter what AMD does, there are special interests whose job is to spin the narrative.
Why arent we talking about how good Vega FE is in its intended market and its price/performance there instead of the thousands of headlines posts about how Vega is doomed and Raja needs to be fired based on conclusions from its unintended market, and a die size based on what appears to be made up numbers?
I get what you are saying, but its not that simple.
Well... NVIDIA has been on top since 980 Ti though. And it looks like that is not going to change. If you want the fastest you sure as hell will not buy Fury X.Right, as my previous post said, most go by word of mouth.
On twitch, lots of the streamers just use nvidia, because they "heard it was the best".
This is mainly a PR issue, and AMD's GPU marketing team is inept.
Amazing that that spin was posted over a month ago... Yet you failed to listen?
Sure looks like a great perf/$$ PRO GPU!
Maybe wait for the Gaming drivers and RX before complaining about its gaming performance??
You know I'm not an NV fanboy but here I have to point out that in all cases either the Titan wins or the P4000 wins. So depending on what workload I run, I would choose accordingly.
My biggest gripe is, that they should have had all their ducks in order, this really feels rushed. No app certifications (which is required for Pro work). 4+(?) old drivers on launch day, and, I don't think that lots of the more professional programs would actually work on non-certified drivers, so, we can't really tell how good Vega FE is with those programs.
If they can tweak it to match a 1080 and sell it for $400, they'd have themselves a card. Anything less and its going to be a pointless product. Actually, if performance figures are anywhere near accurate, then the card is already pointless. Similar performance has been available in that price bracket for a long time and with 1070's going for something like $350, this Vega card will be a tough sell and a very late one at that. I guess we'll know in a few months when RX Vega finally shows up. By that time I'd expect to start seeing some legit Volta leaks. I swear it seems like the entire GPU department was totally checked out and off doing something completely unrelated from Vega these past few years.
Can you imagine selling a 550mm2 card lower than what Nvidia sell a 314mm2 GTX 1080 for? Think about that for a moment. Nvidia can almost make 2 GTX 1080s for the same cost as manufacturing 1 Vega RX. Yes we dont know the manufacturing cost Nvidia and AMD have with the foundries. Nvidia might pay less for wafers. They might pay more. But say they pay the same per wafer. I have my doubt Vega RX will sell for less than $500.
Top it all of with more expensive HBM2 than the GDDR5X Nvidia use? Which btw got to be the most stupid decision ever since It does nothing in performance vs GDDR5X but also isnt as available as GDDR5X.
Add the pain of trying to persuade and market the card as a better choice when the power draw is almost 60% higher than GTX 1080. Actually it could be higher than that for Vega RX since its said to be faster than Vega FE.
We still dont know how Vega overclocks. PCPer tried it. Overclocked the Vega FE to 1682MHz but got almost no gain in FPS. Power draw increased from stock 280W to 350W. GTX 1080 can easily do +20% more FPS with overclock.
Are you suggesting amd didn't know the gaming performance was bad when they first debuted the card and have been doing damage control since?Amazing that that spin was posted over a month ago... Yet you failed to listen?
Putting a gaming mode in that's "supposedly not ready yet" is just a slap in the face.AMD made their own bed with "Gaming" mode, telling people it's not for gaming then having that is like telling a nun not to pray. AMD needs a Hail Mary right now but I don't see it coming anytime soon.
As far a should it have launched or "fluid" launches... it's like this now: Buy the hardware today! We release the software making it work fully when we figure out how to write it!
This is classic Marketing/PR over Engineering, Marketing must run RTG because most of the really bad choices are Marketing & PR. Can Lisa Su take over RTG too? She seems just about the only capable person at AMD right now.
You don't have to believe what AMD is saying, y'know. They are just making excuses because the gaming performance isn't enough to justify the prices they need to sell Vega at, that's why there are no gaming cards out now.
You sure about that?You know I'm not an NV fanboy but here I have to point out that in all cases either the Titan wins or the P4000 wins. So depending on what workload I run, I would choose accordingly.
There are signs that this product is not having optimized drivers. Vega is a new architecture and requires significant driver effort. You are having a field day here in the forums. Anyway have fun till RX Vega launch. Rushing in to judge a product before its actual launch tells more about the person's intentions and bias then about the product. To be clear I am against what AMD has done here with Radeon Vega FE launch. But still that does not mean what people like you and few others who are rushing in to claim a massive failure is true.