AMD need a post GCN architecture. That is painfully obvious. Going back to the drawing board with a clean sheet is the only way out. There are risks but thats the only option for long term survival of RTG.
Especially when your best solution is better than competitors' in certain tasks, e.gI can see now why the amd faithful get very defensive when you call a gtx 1080 a midrange chip. It's hard to defend your highend card when it's defending against a midrange chip. When it's against a "high end" it sounds better.
If those are true and it consumes less power then the Fury X and is in my price range then I'll buy one when I'm ready to purchase a new card. I look for the most performance I can get in my price range.
I'm not kawi6rr but personally for my freesync monitor.You just described a GTX 1080. I don't understand why you would buy Vega.
I'm not kawi6rr but personally for my freesync monitor.
That's up to nVidia and playing without is not an option for me. Difference is just too big.
I doubt it. Their vision has always been "Fusion".. so I think the next big push for them to get into OEM boxes and laptops will be Raven RIdge.. a Zen core + gpu (NCU cores). This IP will continue to be very valuable for them.It's obvious that AMD starved RTG to give its CPU division a fighting chance.
AMD has been, and always will be, a "CPU first" company. Considering the hype around graphics these days, AMD might be smart to just spin RTG off entirely at an inflated price and simply move on from graphics.
It's obvious that AMD starved RTG to give its CPU division a fighting chance.
AMD has been, and always will be, a "CPU first" company. Considering the hype around graphics these days, AMD might be smart to just spin RTG off entirely at an inflated price and simply move on from graphics.
I think 1080 is the beginning of the high end, just like 7800X is the beginning of high end. No one would accuse either product of being midrange or mainstream, except maybe you, trying to make a point. 1070 is the top of the midrange.I can see now why the amd faithful get very defensive when you call a gtx 1080 a midrange chip. It's hard to defend your highend card when it's defending against a midrange chip. When it's against a "high end" it sounds better.
Laptop Gsync proves that Nvidia can just flip a switch and support Adaptive-Sync. It would essentially ruin any reason to go AMD (when price/perf is essentially equal). However, they haven't yet. It's only Nvidia's fault that this issue even exists.You don't realize you're locked into AMD with Freesync display?
I'm not locked anywhere since it's still possible to use nVidia GPUs with a FreeSync Monitor (and AMD GPUs with a G-Sync one).You don't realize you're locked into AMD with Freesync display?
I'm not locked anywhere since it's still possible to use nVidia GPUs with a FreeSync Monitor (and AMD GPUs with a G-Sync one).
But you're right that nVidia is trying to maintain their "locked G-Sync eco system" as a proprietary standard while FreeSync is based on Adaptive Sync as an open standard.
I can see now why the amd faithful get very defensive when you call a gtx 1080 a midrange chip. It's hard to defend your highend card when it's defending against a midrange chip. When it's against a "high end" it sounds better.
I'm not locked anywhere since it's still possible to use nVidia GPUs with a FreeSync Monitor (and AMD GPUs with a G-Sync one).
But you're right that nVidia is trying to maintain their "locked G-Sync eco system" as a proprietary standard while FreeSync is based on Adaptive Sync as an open standard.
GTX1080 is performance tier.High end is only GP102 SKU-1080TI and TITANI would call a 1080 high-end personally though.. If the 1080 is midrange, then you're basically saying that there are only 3 high end cards.. 1080ti, Titan Xp & Titan X pascal?..
I'd call midrange more like 1060, 1070, rx580 type cards.
I'm just saying the scale of low-mid-high doesn't make sense if 1080 is considered mid-tier..
That's just stupid. You're basing vendor lock-in due to that fact that AMD is the only other vendor? It's not vendor lock-in with AMD, it's vendor lockout with Nvidia. Big difference.You don't realize you're locked into AMD with Freesync display?
Call the 1080ti titan xp and titan x pascal the Uber highend then.I would call a 1080 high-end personally though.. If the 1080 is midrange, then you're basically saying that there are only 3 high end cards.. 1080ti, Titan Xp & Titan X pascal?..
I'd call midrange more like 1060, 1070, rx580 type cards.
I'm just saying the scale of low-mid-high doesn't make sense if 1080 is considered mid-tier..
That's just stupid. You're basing vendor lock-in due to that fact that AMD is the only other vendor? It's not vendor lock-in with AMD, it's vendor lockout with Nvidia. Big difference.
GTX1080 is performance tier.High end is only GP102 SKU-1080TI and TITAN
GP102-471mm2
GP104-314mm2
GP106-200mm2
Sad thing about vega gaming performance is that 1080TI is only cutdown SKU.FULL GP102/TITANXP is 10%faster than 1080TI.So vega is larger than GP102 and also GP102 is 40-50% faster.
As if we'd want our monitors refreshing at 20Hz, lol.You seem to be forgetting the 800lb gorilla in the room. Intel doesn't do Freesync either...
Would people be less locked in if Intel were to do Freesync?You seem to be forgetting the 800lb gorilla in the room. Intel doesn't do Freesync either.