AMD Vega (FE and RX) Benchmarks [Updated Aug 10 - RX Vega 64 Unboxing]

[EXCellR8]

I'm inclined to agree... or at least wait until this fall when the dust settles a bit. I am almost thinking it's much wiser to stick with Polaris for now and watch the total anarchy from a distance. Then I'll swoop in all vulture-like and grab a non-reference Vega 64

 

[Magic Hate Ball]

I'm inclined to agree... or at least wait until this fall when the dust settles a bit. I am almost thinking it's much wiser to stick with Polaris for now and watch the total anarchy from a distance. Then I'll swoop in all vulture-like and grab a non-reference Vega 64

I dunno, if undervolting works well, I can see these being as unavailable as the Polaris 10 based cards have been, and as over priced.

The raw compute power is there, regardless of the gaming performance.

 

[EXCellR8]

yea the power's there for whoever wants to shell out for it, but as a gamer I currently own two Polaris 10 cards and Vega is seeming like more of a raw deal every day from that standpoint. like I appreciate the fact that the 64 can outperform the 1080 but at six hundred bucks plus cost-to-run there's not a lot of room left for me to feel like I made a good decision.

Then again, I did go from a 290X to the RX 480 and I was very happy with that purchase. That was like $370 though...

 

[fleshconsumed]

ROFL, I was thinking of picking up Vega if I could get it at MSRP. No way I'm paying $600+ for the card given the current performance leaks. I also think anybody buying it for mining is a fool, ETH profitability is quickly approaching zero, anybody buying Vega for mining will never see ROI no matter how much you undervolt it. Point being, don't pay over MSRP if you can wait a couple of months, it won't be long until ETH craze is over.

 

[Phynaz]

No, supply & demand determines prices.
If AMD would use more fabs to makes Vega & Polaris, then there wouldn't be an issue at meeting the MSRP (Assuming ample supple of HBM2).
They could be doing that, but, we have no idea.

I said it before, and I'll say it again, GloFlo just isn't big enough to produce everything for AMD that AMD needs right now. They are churning out Ryzen, ThreadRipper, Epyc, Polaris & Vega.
The other issue is low supply of HBM, so, even if AMD did move production to a new fab, without ample supply of HBM2, it wouldn't do them any good.

I'm not sure I agree with this. I think GloFo has plenty of capacity, but it's the amount of that capacity that AMD has ordered. Silicon manufacturing has long lead times. What's riskier, to under predict how many wafers you will need 9 months from now or to over predict?

I believe it's the latter, having to write-down unsold inventory sucks for any company.

 

[Rifter]

It looks like it is coming from AMD itself before the product even releases:
https://videocardz.com/71776/amd-is-trying-to-sell-radeon-rx-vega-64-at-a-higher-price

Say goodbye to any kind of decent price/performance.

Wow, 1080 here i come. AMD is handling this whole thing so poorly its surprising these are the same people that hit a home run with ryzen struck out so bad with vega.

 

[Zstream]

Wow, 1080 here i come. AMD is handling this whole thing so poorly its surprising these are the same people that hit a home run with ryzen struck out so bad with vega.

Yes, go buy your 1080 before reviews are done. Pure genius! *sigh*

 

[Magic Hate Ball]

Wow, 1080 here i come. AMD is handling this whole thing so poorly its surprising these are the same people that hit a home run with ryzen struck out so bad with vega.

When they started offering launch bundles with 2 good games, CPU/Mobo discount, and a monitor discount worth ~$420 if you got all of it (and needed it)... I knew we were in for disappointment.

 

[Rifter]

Yes, go buy your 1080 before reviews are done. Pure genius! *sigh*

Im waiting till xmas or black friday anyways, so ill see reviews, but anyone who thinks this is going to end well for AMD at this point i think is setting themselves up for disappointment. I mean even AMD's own marketing is making it look bad, thats not a good sign.

 

[EXCellR8]

I thought $500 was pushing it, even with the mining problem, but $600+ for a reference card is just too much for me to bite.

I don't mind waiting until fall some time; I am hoping that the cryptocurrency craze falls apart in the next month or so. Right now is a crap time to buy new cards, regardless of what you choose.

 

[Bouowmx]

Content in 2017: unboxing (of AMD Radeon RX Vega).

https://videocardz.com/71837/first-amd-radeon-rx-vega-64-review-sample-unboxed

 

[Insomniator]

" but apparently, the only thing that was limited was the budget on marketing."

sick burnnn

Cool looking cards though!

 

[tviceman]

It looks like it is coming from AMD itself before the product even releases:
https://videocardz.com/71776/amd-is-trying-to-sell-radeon-rx-vega-64-at-a-higher-price

Say goodbye to any kind of decent price/performance.

If this holds, Vega loses substantially in every single metric to gamers - performance, performance/w, and perf/$.

If AMD really cared about gamers, they wouldn't be creating idiotic bundles, they would instead gimp mining performance via drivers and release mining-specific models without gimped drivers.

Vega 64 is going to go from $600+ to less than $400 as soon as the mining fad dies again.

 

[tviceman]

Yes, go buy your 1080 before reviews are done. Pure genius! *sigh*

Probably is a smart move. When Vega 64 flops at $500, let alone $600, prices on the 1080 will likely rise. Get it now before that happens.

 

[PeterScott]

If this holds, Vega loses substantially in every single metric to gamers - performance, performance/w, and perf/$.

If AMD really cared about gamers, they wouldn't be creating idiotic bundles, they would instead gimp mining performance via drivers and release mining-specific models without gimped drivers.

I agree. I would like to see both AMD and NVidia to sell cards that are made for gamers with gimped mining performance, along with special mining cards. Segregate the damn miners.

Vega 64 is going to go from $600+ to less than $400 as soon as the mining fad dies again.

When is that happening? Eth pricing is going up again. I just want a good price on GTX 1060. They should be under $200 by now...

 

[Elixer]

It looks like it is coming from AMD itself before the product even releases:
https://videocardz.com/71776/amd-is-trying-to-sell-radeon-rx-vega-64-at-a-higher-price

Say goodbye to any kind of decent price/performance.

That would be one way to keep inventory up, just inflate the price a few(?) miners & some die-hards will buy them, and in a few months, they can "drop" the price and have lots of inventory in the supply channel.
Problem with that is people could go for the competition...

 

[Snarf Snarf]

I agree. I would like to see both AMD and NVidia to sell cards that are made for gamers with gimped mining performance, along with special mining cards. Segregate the damn miners.

It's funny I said this a couple of months ago in this thread somewhere and I got attacked by several people on here. This was before the Eth craze hit the 1060/1070 market really hard and ruined any chance at getting an MSRP card. I work in hardware sales and boutique building, I haven't been able to get an MSRP card for a few months now and have to pass on the mark up to my customers which has been hurting our sales a bit lately (I can either upsell them on 1080 or 1080ti's or undersell them on a 1050ti until more sane pricing comes back, but RX580 is out of the question entirely). In no way is this beneficial to AMD if their cards are artificially inflated in the retail channel, they don't make any extra $$ off this. So my guess is AMD's board saw a chance to cash in and raise the MSRP while the trend is hot, more power to them, at least they'll benefit financially from mining boom this time around. It hurt them a lot during Hawaii days, I couldn't sell a new Hawaii card for a full year because everyone was getting them on eBay for $199 at the time.

 

[tviceman]

When is that happening? Eth pricing is going up again. I just want a good price on GTX 1060. They should be under $200 by now...

Who knows. I keep thinking / hoping it will die any day now. As a business owner, I would never accept digital currency as a regular form of payment. Digital currency in it's current form is a near-lawless mess of pure speculation and me-too copy cats wrapped in uncertainty. It's very strength is it's greatest weakness and I believe it will eventually collapse permanently in it's current form.

 

[NomanA]

If this holds, Vega loses substantially in every single metric to gamers - performance, performance/w, and perf/$.

I still think Vega 56 will be one of the best performance/$ (if not the best) cards in $350+ market. My experience with 4850, 7950, 290, Rx470 have all been great, and Vega 56 will likely continue that. I have no doubts, that it can be made to run at stock Vega 64 performance level, which also implies that it'll be close to stock 1080 performance (and will be 10-20% ahead within an year).

Looking forward to Vega 56 benchmarks. I'll very likely pick one up on release day.

 

[PhonakV30]

Who knows. I keep thinking / hoping it will die any day now. As a business owner, I would never accept digital currency as a regular form of payment. Digital currency in it's current form is a near-lawless mess of pure speculation and me-too copy cats wrapped in uncertainty. It's very strength is it's greatest weakness and I believe it will eventually collapse permanently in it's current form.

Whether you like or not , Mining won't die at least for 2 years.Vega FE was able to reach 1160h/s on Monero.this is crazy.now that was without Crypt code and with New driver , AMD might unleash full power of Mining and XMR's score maybe get to 4K h/s or above , who knows.

 

[crashtech]

Whether you like or not , Mining won't die at least for 2 years.Vega FE was able to reach 1160h/s on Monero.this is crazy.now that was without Crypt code and with New driver , AMD might unleash full power of Mining and XMR's score maybe get to 4K h/s or above , who knows.

The reason I am doubting this a bit is because Vega FE is not hard to find in stock at the MSRP.

 

[Snarf Snarf]

The reason I am doubting this a bit is because Vega FE is not hard to find in stock at the MSRP.

That's probably because above all else hash/watt and hash/$ are both of pretty high value to miners. Most of them know the same performance will be available for 60% of the MSRP of the FE so they will wait until RX Vega is released to buy it up. If AMD has indeed hidden the hashing optimizations in the new release driver branch and there is a 100%+ increase in hash/watt and a 300%+ increase in hash/$ then you can bet these cards will never be in stock for long.

Edit: Spelling derp

 

[crashtech]

@Snarf Snarf , key word being "available," right? I see them flying off the shelves.

 

[EXCellR8]

where's the unboxing? there's a bit on videocardz.com...

 

[railven]

where's the unboxing? there's a bit on videocardz.com...

With the NDA so close, I still get a little excited (even if I'm not in the market) for new GPUs.

The packaging on that card is great. I've bought countless cards from various AIBs, but it wasn't until my first MSI Lightning that packaging impressed me. The packaging for my GTX 1080 Ti was also nice.

I know it doesn't win any reviews, but kudos to the nice packaging job.

EDIT:

Is AMD themselves raising MSRP? Or...is that vendors? I'm confused. Either way, hopefully AMD can get some of that and it's not just the retailers pocketing it.