AMD Vega (FE and RX) Benchmarks [Updated Aug 10 - RX Vega 64 Unboxing]

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Glo.

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It only says 530 which is a 30hz OC for memory, or 6%

I just tested my Fury Nitros @ 1000 and 1100 and got ~9% faster with a 10% OC

Nitro @ 1000: 15032
Nitro @ 1100: 16352
How much difference is it in GB/s?

This is HBM, you forget.
 

Bacon1

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How much difference is it in GB/s?

This is HBM, you forget.

500mhz * 4096 * 2 (DDR) / 8 = 512GB/s

530 * 4096 * 2 / 8 = 542GB/s

Still 6% faster and only 30GB/s faster which I doubt makes a 20%+ difference in the two results.

Just trying to point out that using two completely different systems is a bad idea for 3dmark... lets wait until we have someone that can test multiple cards in their system as well as give us valid info on what the clocks are running at.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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So now Vega is targeting 1080 performance or better, probably for between $499-$549?
The price is speculation, but that's probably not far out. The true 'gaming' platform might be able to squeeze a few more % out to place it as sort of a middling-tier between 1080 and 1080ti.

I suspect NV will respond by dropping prices across the board, bringing the 1080ti in line with it price-wise. We'll probably see the 2080 before the miners are done buying up Vega GPU's at a double markup.
 

crashtech

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I was hoping for closer to 1080ti, but if the price is right, well, I still might. The wait though... It's been exhausting. I'm about done even caring at this point.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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I was hoping for closer to 1080ti, but if the price is right, well, I still might. The wait though... It's been exhausting. I'm about done even caring at this point.
Heh, I was done years ago when I switched to NV/Intel. Joined the dark side, no issues since.
 

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Graphics score. Fury X 1125 MHz 23120 GPU score. Radeon Vega FE 1.6 GHz - 22916 GPU score.

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/12987144/fs/11047656/fs/6657103#

Something is definitely up. We already saw Vega running @ 1080 levels of gaming perf 6 or 8 months ago using debug level Fury drivers. If there hasn't been an uplift in perf there is some piece to this that we just don't know. My gut it telling me there is major driver work being done, moreso than normal, to get all of the new Vega features running optimally with each other.

Either way, the FE example is 43% faster graphics score than my unlocked and lightly overclocked Fury card. If the price is in the $450-550 range then it's a decent uplift. I have no problems picking one up.
 
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I wasn't planning on upgrading my R9 Fury to Vega, but from the looks of it, I think I'll be better off waiting for Navi. Still, if priced right, I might pick up a Vega near the end of its product cycle like I do with most of my video cards.
 

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Something is definitely up. We already saw Vega running @ 1080 levels of gaming perf 6 or 8 months ago using debug level Fury drivers. If there hasn't been an uplift in perf there is some piece to this that we just don't know. My gut it telling me there is major driver work being done, moreso than normal, to get all of the new Vega features running optimally with each other.

Yeah AMD probably just has the base driver running, no game optimizations yet. That's fine for developers, which is what the FE cards are. We'll be investing to see what happens with the VX cards.

RX Vega X2 please... [deleted]

Haha, I have an extra 1300w psu which isn't mining right now and is ready for the job also!
 

krumme

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Is there any body home in amd gpu marketing and pr department?

Well probably miners will clean up the mess for the shareholder perspective. But what is this launch?

I mean how in this world can you make a product launch without doing anything ? Like nothing. Man thats a new benchmark.
Sorry but i dont get the meaning. Is it launching in 2 days or what?
 

senseamp

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Everyone probably took of for the 4th of July break already. Stock is up and AMD employees can finally afford a longer vacation.
 

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Is there any body home in amd gpu marketing and pr department?

Well probably miners will clean up the mess for the shareholder perspective. But what is this launch?

I mean how in this world can you make a product launch without doing anything ? Like nothing. Man thats a new benchmark.
Sorry but i dont get the meaning. Is it launching in 2 days or what?
AMDs logic is to rather have people bench the cards themselves and post results so people can compare.

The result is what you see in this forum. People posting laughable scores of Fury X which obviously isnt 1150MHz and saying it is faster than Vega FE because they dont understand what they are looking at.
You get people running the cards with different CPUs, power supplies that may or may not slow down the Vega because the testers doesnt know what they are doing and are perhaps using too small PSU.

AMD rather do that than allow the established sites run their usual round of benchmarks on a controlled set of variables that makes comparisons and results real.

Not to mention the coverage and marketing of the product itself would have a muuuch bigger impact than just keeping everything on the low and hope people buy it anyway.

Thats AMD for you.
 
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Fury X 1135MHz OC: 8046
GTX 1080 Firestrike Extreme: 10200
Vega FE: 10600
GTX 1080 Ti: 13600

Fury X 1135MHz OC: 4115
GTX 1080 Firestrike Ultra: 5200
Vega FE: 5350
GTX 1080 Ti: 6700

http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-radeon-r9-fury-x-video-card-review_167134/10
Something is really off here. The Vega FE seems to have 25-35% better perf than fury x, although having a little over 50% clockspeed advantage and supposedly better architecture. If these scores are to be believed then Vega has worse perf per shader/clock than Fiji which itself was worse in that regard compared to Hawaii.

I see two possibilities: they have have locked the gaming perf down in drivers/drivers are really raw or they messed something fundamentally up in the architecture. At the moment im sadly leaning towards the second option. And as it was originally supposed to launch at the end of last year makes me especially suspicious. I don't think the problem was HBM2.
 

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AMD has repeatedly stated that they are "focused on developers and content creators" and they have some special driver optimizations specifically for those use cases. Other than offering a "game mode" in the drivers, they are not focusing on that for reasons that only appear obvious. In benchmarks using those pro applications, it is "up to 70% faster than the GTX Titan Xp for less money" and that's the narrative they want to own.

The problem is that NVIDIA markets the Titan Xp as a halo gaming card, where AMD has created this artificial bubble in which they can beat the Titan Xp in select situations where a Quadro or FirePro card would be most appropriate and effective, but still lose gaming benchmarks to the Titan Xp (based only upon limited FireStrike scores). The other problem is that gamers have been foaming at the mouth for Vega and now it shows up with possible issues and so-so FS benchmarks. AMD needs to get control of the narrative again before Vega is written off as a failure in its entirety - some of you are already banging that gong.

If this marketing move by AMD proves successful and Vega FE starts to make a dent, NVIDIA can just release equivalent driver updates for the GTX Titan Xp to accelerate the same applications while also keeping its performance advantage in games. That's a sucky place for AMD to be, I think. For now, I'm going to assume we're looking at poor driver optimization and very unscientific benchmarks.

Hey, if Vega truly ends up as a disappointment at least Ryzen was a home run. Every once in a while, you have to bunt.

The Titan brand is as a prosumer card. That was Nv's justification for charging the premium for it. Over the years they've artificially limited it in the professional space through driver tricks, but have kept the premium in place. As a pure gaming card, the price is ludicrous. AMD is exploiting that weakness by offering a professional card that has a gaming mode available to developers (note-"gaming mode" is not the same as "gaming card"). As a pro card Vega Frontier destroys the Titan card, and as we have come to know performs well against pure P6000 and especially P5000 (previous recent comparisons were at different resolutions).
AMD's comparison for Vega FE to Titan is perfectly valid. It's not AMD's fault that NV can't decide what the Titan card is supposed to be, or provide pro drivers for their prosumer card. So it bodes pretty well i'd say that AMD's prosumer Vega FE card stands up to the best Quadro card on the market, and AMD have a whole line of higher performing Radeon Pro cards yet to be revealed.
 
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Cloudfire777

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Something is really off here. The Vega FE seems to have 25-35% better perf than fury x, although having a little over 50% clockspeed advantage and supposedly better architecture. If these scores are to be believed then Vega has worse perf per shader/clock than Fiji which itself was worse in that regard compared to Hawaii.

I see two possibilities: they have have locked the gaming perf down in drivers/drivers are really raw or they messed something fundamentally up in the architecture. At the moment im sadly leaning towards the second option. And as it was originally supposed to launch at the end of last year makes me especially suspicious. I don't think the problem was HBM2.

Peak frequency: 1600MHz
Typical frequency under load for Vega FE according to PCGamesHardware 1382MHz
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Vega-...adeon-Vega-Frontier-Edition-GPU-Takt-1231795/

The scores of Vega FE is 30% higher than Fury X at 1135MHz.
Clock advantage is: 1382MHz/1135MHz = 22%

Maybe the rest, 8% is the increased performance per clock Vega have over Fury X?

I have no idea


Looks like he ran some more tests. Witcher 3 as well, but pretty hard to make a comparison.

https://disqus.com/by/klaudiuszkaczmarzyk/

He was able to get it to stabilize at 1600MHz and it's topping out at 81c from the looks of it.


Great find.

Wonder how the card perform with that tweak and 1600MHz from what we have seen so far
 
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jpiniero

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Something is really off here. The Vega FE seems to have 25-35% better perf than fury x, although having a little over 50% clockspeed advantage and supposedly better architecture. If these scores are to be believed then Vega has worse perf per shader/clock than Fiji which itself was worse in that regard compared to Hawaii.

It's probably not running at 1600.
 

Glo.

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100 FPS in W3 is around GTX 1080 FE performance level.

Fury X is around 75-77 FPS in the same resolution, and Max settings according to different sites.

So basically only 30% improvement in gaming performance with 50% core clock improvement?
 

krumme

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Its engineerings problem if the cost of this card equals or exceeds an extreme binned 32c Epyc that sells for 4000 usd. Its probably twice the cost.

But from a marketing and brand point of view it means nothing. Nothing. I hope they mentally understand that.
Obviously every idiot on this planet can sell the card if its faster than the fastest. But if its 15% slower than the fastest its still plenty and its just a matter of the right price.
Its like selling Porche in next fastest trim. But you cant just put in on the street and every family mom and 4 wheel Joe gives it a go.
Its the same here. Amd says its a pro card. But its really not. Its not a gamer card. But it is.
Mom and Joe gets confused. Says the backseat is bad for children or it cant pull a 3 tonne boat.
And dady stays away.
 

Head1985

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Graphics score. Fury X 1125 MHz 23120 GPU score. Radeon Vega FE 1.6 GHz - 22916 GPU score.

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/12987144/fs/11047656/fs/6657103#
I already correct you that this result is wrong.Why you keep posting that bs result?
Here is furyx at 1170/560
http://pctforum.tyden.cz/viewtopic.php?p=8985157#p8985157

firestrike 17728(1080p)
Firestrike extreme 8476 (2k)

Vega 1080p 22916
Vega 2k 10585

vega is 30% faster in 1080P and 24% in 2k.
Lets say Vega throttle at 1400-1500mhz during test.Lets say 1450mhz average thats 24% more than furyx at 1170mhz.And Vega is 24-30% faster.
 
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