AMD Vega (FE and RX) Benchmarks [Updated Aug 10 - RX Vega 64 Unboxing]

[Bouowmx]

Gamers Nexus tries AMD Vega Frontier Edition (air) under-volt: http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2...tion-undervolt-benchmarks-improve-performance

Under-volt from 1200 to 1090 mV and power limit to 150% results in stable 1600 MHz and ~280 W in 3DMark Fire Strike Ultra, through PCI Express cables.

 

[Armsdealer]

They can't sell it for much lower than $400. Look at the Fury line. It wouldn't make economic sense for them to do that. They need to use premium cooling + circuitry to handle Vega, and that isn't cheap.

Economic sense? according to strictly a financial statement analysis amd hasn't made economic sense for a decade. Do you understand why nVidia is up 500%? Have sales gone up 500%? Or profits? No, it's because wall street has gone from believing dgpu was a declining industry to one that has extraordinary growth prospects.

Amd doesn't have to make money right now in gpu because the street knows profits can come later as long as they remain relevant in a market that they now perceive has explosive growth. If market perceptions of gpu growth were where they were two years ago, you'd maybe be right that they care more about their short term bottom line.

 

[Elixer]

Economic sense? according to strictly a financial statement analysis amd hasn't made economic sense for a decade. Do you understand why nVidia is up 500%? Have sales gone up 500%? Or profits? No, it's because wall street has gone from believing dgpu was a declining industry to one that has extraordinary growth prospects.

Nvidia has done so well, since they are able to sell their cards to the industry at inflated prices. Investors love no competition. That is why it has gone up so much.

AMD has been slowly doing what it needs to, to start making a profit again. It has been mismanaged for a long time.
They wouldn't make Vega a loss leader, it would just cripple them, that is why they will sell it for a $400+ price, and limp along until the next chip comes around.

 

[Magic Hate Ball]

Nvidia has done so well, since they are able to sell their cards to the industry at inflated prices. Investors love no competition. That is why it has gone up so much.

AMD has been slowly doing what it needs to, to start making a profit again. It has been mismanaged for a long time.
They wouldn't make Vega a loss leader, it would just cripple them, that is why they will sell it for a $400+ price, and limp along until the next chip comes around.

Yeah, I really hope Navi is an MCM style scalable GPU design like Zen is for CPU.

This will help them diversify their card line up with little to no risk of under/over producing in one segment of the market. Additonally, no crazy bad yields from mega-sized chips.

That's their path to profit.

 

[crashtech]

If I can get ~1080 level performance for $400, I'm all in. All my AMD cards seem to have really good longevity and get passed down or re-purposed in one way or another. My old Nvidia cards, by contrast, have mostly been sold, binned, or tossed in the junk drawer.

 

[JDG1980]

AMD was just caught off guard with the 1080Ti, they have no answer for it.

How? All of us on this board saw 1080Ti coming a mile away. These cards are a standard part of Nvidia's release schedule now. I don't see how AMD could fail to figure out at least what ballpark 1080Ti would end up in unless they had a double agent feeding them lies.

Heck, with them having to pump up voltages so high, it seems they got fab issues for both HBM2 & Vega, unless Vega was never design to compete with the 1080, and instead was a Polaris replacement.

RTG has been overvolting the piss out of everything for years. Apparently no one there ever got the memo that perf/watt matters now.

 

[maddie]

My original post sort of deleted and posted somehow, can mods delete this please.
Thanks.

Mind sharing that time travel design. I see you edited before you posted.

 

[Despoiler]

Gamers Nexus tries AMD Vega Frontier Edition (air) under-volt: http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2...tion-undervolt-benchmarks-improve-performance

Under-volt from 1200 to 1090 mV and power limit to 150% results in stable 1600 MHz and ~280 W in 3DMark Fire Strike Ultra, through PCI Express cables.

The recent leak of RX Vega tiers showed 285w for the air cooled versions. Do you think GN's findings and the leak is coincidence? IMO it's not. It's further proof that Vega FE was released in an unoptimized, but stable configuration. From hardware to drivers. It was released purely to meet legally required deadlines.

 

[Cloudfire777]

Hah, told you

the AMD rep guy was asked and he said it's a GTX 1080 non Ti against the RX VEGA

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6o0kku/comment/dkdlntu

15, FIFTEEN months too late and absolutely horrible efficiency.

 

[n0x1ous]

Hah, told you


https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6o0kku/comment/dkdlntu

15, FIFTEEN months too late and absolutely horrible efficiency.

What a failure this thing is.....that right there tells us that the FE reviews arent going to be far off

 

[nad-]

Some light at the end of the tunnel, Vega FE(air) seems to have no issue challenging a Quadro P6000 in its intended market even without certified drivers(WX Vega will cost >$3000?)

http://www.tomshardware.de/vega-ben...ngsaufnahme-gaming,testberichte-242375-6.html

Of course more importantly it doesn't guzzle power like a maniac while doing so.

Now if someone could actually explain the discrepancy between Pro and Gaming perofmrance I'm all ears, because I've never seen anything like this before (full gp102 perf in pro while cut down gp104 perf in gaming), it's like a completely different GPU is tested when switching over to games.

 

[CatMerc]

Considering how close some of the much much weaker GPU's are to the P6000 and Vega FE, it smells of a CPU bottleneck.

 

[Oddzz]

I'm surprised no one posted the test from THW.de yet. Edit: Said that 3 minutes too early

Vega is doing pretty well against a Quadro P6000 in workstation related scenarios. Their reasoning to run it against a Quadro was to test it on software which isn't supported by the Titan X.

Original (German): http://www.tomshardware.de/vega-ben...tungsaufnahme-gaming,testberichte-242375.html
Translated (English): https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.tomshardware.de/vega-benchmarks-workstation-leistungsaufnahme-gaming,testberichte-242375.html&sandbox=1

 

[railven]

AMD seems to be putting RX Vega against GTX 1080 in their demos. This doesn't bode very well. Be wiser for AMD to funnel as many dies to Prosumers than gamers. This thing isn't even out yet and public opinion is in the toilet.

 

[crashtech]

I don't think the "public" has much of an opinion yet, we're not the public, we're a bunch of picky whiners.

 

[n0x1ous]

I don't think the "public" has much of an opinion yet, we're not the public, we're a bunch of picky whiners.

the "public" you are referring to doesn't know what a graphics card is and certainly isnt interested in one costing $500+. For all intents and purposes, we are the real public for RX Vega and railven is correct that no one is thinking highly of this chip right now.

 

[Stormflux]

All this news, and the fact that they skipped E3, and are truly unveiling this at Siggraph, a professional conference, just tells me they've given up on the Gaming crowd this round. If it is truly 1080 performance, that requires more juice to do it, it will be a disappointment. I say this as someone with a FreeSync monitor and FuryX (bought for a bit more than a RX480 at the time). I've been looking around for a decent G-Sync monitor... but man they are expensive.

 

[Qwertilot]

And if its 1080ish now, it'll be close to 2060ish in a few months Seemingly a bit further behind NV on almost every metric (esp time to market & power) than Fury was.

Hopefully they'll manage to get a decent chunk back on the other stuff. I've said it before but it could easily be a decent success even if they don't sell *any* gaming chips.

 

[Cloudfire777]

What a failure this thing is.....that right there tells us that the FE reviews arent going to be far off

The demo was just like expected.
No FPS counter. They didnt even name the Geforce card they tested the Vega against. Wouldnt surprise me it was the GTX 1070. They didnt let people see settings tested either.

This reeks of insecurity about their card.

 

[n0x1ous]

The demo was just like expected.
No FPS counter. They didnt even name the Geforce card they tested the Vega against. Wouldnt surprise me it was the GTX 1070. They didnt let people see settings tested either.

This reeks of insecurity about their card.

someone that was there asked an AMD rep and he was told it was a 1080

 

[Elixer]

How? All of us on this board saw 1080Ti coming a mile away. These cards are a standard part of Nvidia's release schedule now. I don't see how AMD could fail to figure out at least what ballpark 1080Ti would end up in unless they had a double agent feeding them lies.

In the design stages, they obviously thought that nvidia couldn't produce something that fast.
Once it was released, they couldn't do anything except pump the voltages way up to counter.

I have no clue at all why they are doing this "tour" now, and it is going up against a stock 1080. They are yet again, building up hype for something they can't beat, and instead, are going to push the freesync over gsync savings, instead of RX being $100 cheaper than the 1080, which they obviously can't afford.

Sigh.

 

[crisium]

the "public" you are referring to doesn't know what a graphics card is and certainly isnt interested in one costing $500+. For all intents and purposes, we are the real public for RX Vega and railven is correct that no one is thinking highly of this chip right now.

The public is neogaf GPU/PC threads with recommendations, reddit PC threads, twitch viewers who ask their streamers what GPU they use, the dad who asks Best Buy employee what to buy for son, Linus viewers. Many of these people buy $400+ GPUs. They already prefer Nvidia. Even when AMD had the performance-per-watt advantage these people preferred Nv, although by a far smaller margin. RX Vega is hurting AMD public perception even more as it's is doubling down on the impression that AMD = hot power hungry monsters for poverty gamers.

This stuff trickles down. The various tech forums are part of the public sentiment too, with our impressions, as people do lurk and google recommendations. The trickle down is real, and unless RX Vega pulls a miracle they are in trouble as even fewer people will recommend them and buy them.

It seems like the best hope now is ~280W and 1080 competitor? That's our optimism? This is perhaps worse than if Radeon 290X released after Maxwell Titan X was out. They are a full generation behind.

 

[tviceman]

RTG has been overvolting the piss out of everything for years. Apparently no one there ever got the memo that perf/watt matters now.

News flash! Intel and Nvidia products can be dramatically undervolted at stock configurations too. This phenomenon is not exclusive to AMD, it's merely become a pretend benefit / talking point since most AMD products have no headroom and their graphics cards suffer in efficiency.

 

[Rifter]

Its all going to come down to pricing, if it performs at 1080 level using 300w it had better be at least $100 cheaper to make up for the insane power usage. Im still holing out hope but its looking dimmer by the day. Really not a good situation for vega at the moment.

This can still be a success but pricing will be key. If they try and sell this for 1080 prices it will be a total disaster.

 

[crisium]

IMO, if they can match 1080 performance they are better off matching 1080 at $500 price to sell it to loyalists and Freesync users. Gotta get whatever return you can. The good news is that if they can match 1080, then the cut down Vega should have no problem beating 1070 since AMD will cut the shaders 12.5% vs Nvidia's 25% cut. That one I would expect closer to $400, as even if is a power hog it can sell to some users if it sits above the 1070 consistently in benchmark charts.

Despite negativity, these can move units to the right customers. But they really need to at least match the 1080 performance to stand a chance. If 56NCU Vega cannot beat the 1070 I don't know what AMD can do that's profitable here.