I don't think intelligence enters into it, really. Very few people would buy both GPUs and run multiple benchmarks to compare them side-by-side. Sometimes, people buy the more expensive unit just because the higher cost evokes confidence in the product.At the end of the day, it still boils down to cost. Not being able to tell the difference, thesmartbargain shopper will save the money and buy whichever is cheaper. Not even a week to go until we have the full story... hopefully.
I find it amusing that lots of folks (including here) were saying how their Ryzen system felt much smoother but couldn't explain it with actual numbers. Guess that's just not a valid thing with a GPU
Not defending the marketing, just pointing out the double standard.
I don't think intelligence enters into it, really. Very few people would buy both GPUs and run multiple benchmarks to compare them side-by-side. Sometimes, people buy the more expensive unit just because the higher cost evokes confidence in the product.
With both Ryzen and Vega you'll hit MegaSmooth!I have a freesync monitor (bought last xmas) and I have no plan to buy a new one anytime soon. I guess Vega at its price point will give me smoother gaming that anything I can buy at the same price point
Before and after the cooler conversion of the Radeon Vega Frontier Edition, we carried out various other benchmarks with the map in order to explore their strengths and weaknesses. And even if at present overall appears rather a performance picture in the coarse region of the GeForce GTX 1080, there are also glimmering lights. We would like to present one of them here. All further insights, including the radiator conversion, are presented in PCGH 09/2017.
It is a scene demo, which was voted the winner of the 4k demos at the Tokyo Demo Fest 2016. We have already reported about this and also that Radeon cards seem to be particularly good at the calculations required by the demo ( see test ). With the Radeon Vega Frontier Edition, we re-launched the demo and obtained an amazing performance: with the exception of a few synthetic polygons, we have seldom seen the theoretical increase in the computing performance compared to the Radeon R9 Fury X of +52.4% - of architectural improvements not to mention. Many new, especially gaming performance-acceptable functions, it is nebulous in the Internet, are not yet integrated into the driver. With the 2nd Stage Boss demo, we have apparently found an application where Vega can play its strengths. +72 percent increase in performance compared to the Fury X are already an announcement - and locate the Vega Frontier Edition, where many AMD fans have eagerly awaited them.
Whether this performance is an (absolute) outlier or an indication of the expected future performance can not be said with certainty so far - one thing is certain: potential has Vega.
I guess you've missed the past few weeks of discussion regarding Vega FE and Fiji. Vega FE has a 70% higher clock speed than Fiji, so yes it's 70% faster.Vega is not that bad.
According to this demo that runs very well on GCN hardware. Vega is here 72% faster than fiji.
I guess you've missed the past few weeks of discussion regarding Vega FE and Fiji. Vega FE has a 70% higher clock speed than Fiji, so yes it's 70% faster.
Yep you basically summarized the last few weeks of insanity regarding Vega FE, and don't bother going back and reading all the crazy speculation. Now we're just waiting to see what RX Vega is like. Soon!After comparing the clockspeeds, yep your right. So busy trying to translating the text myself, i overlooked that the clock speed was different.
Well, then it is hoping again that vega runs in legacy mode only and that hopefully the driver bugs for the new features are all worked out within a month or two.
Yep you basically summarized the last few weeks of insanity regarding Vega FE, and don't bother going back and reading all the crazy speculation. Now we're just waiting to see what RX Vega is like. Soon!
not to nitpick, but 1,050 MHz * 1.72 = 1,806 MHz. I've yet to see a Vega card running at that speedI guess you've missed the past few weeks of discussion regarding Vega FE and Fiji. Vega FE has a 70% higher clock speed than Fiji, so yes it's 70% faster.
not to nitpick, but 1,050 MHz * 1.72 = 1,806 MHz. I've yet to see a Vega card running at that speed
I guess you've missed the past few weeks of discussion regarding Vega FE and Fiji. Vega FE has a 70% higher clock speed than Fiji, so yes it's 70% faster.
Stated in the translation:
After comparing the clockspeeds, yep your right. So busy trying to translating the text myself, i overlooked that the clock speed was different.
Well, then it is hoping again that vega runs in legacy mode only and that hopefully the driver bugs for the new features are all worked out within a month or two.
So basically a fiji on 16nm and hbm2 support would give the same results...
Yeah, but it also only on some random benchmark that no one uses, and doesn't seem representative of gameplay in any game.
It's not really even a benchmark, it's a demo that probably just hits the ALUs hard and not much else.
https://forum.beyond3d.com/posts/1992321/
I agree.Let's not go through all this crap about fiji or better performance again please.
At least the horse power is all there. And we've seen in at least one geometry benchmark that Vega is strong in geometry throughput, though apparently not quite as strong in geometry culling. So where's the weakness? Is it that pesky non-functional tiled rasterizer? Maybe it's even the memory (controller).
ECC, Eurasian Economic Commission is a regulatory body similar to Korean KCC or US FCC regulators. Before any products enters the market it needs to be certified. This applies to all electronic devices, including graphics cards.
AMD VEGA 20 with 32 GB HBM2
If you still remember, we were the first to tell you about Vega 20. Unlike Vega 10, Vega 20 is said to have four HBM2 stacks, which enables 32 GB capacity. According to the list from ECC, Vega 20 is currently only expected as GLXT variant, which means Radeon Pro/Instinct series.
AMD VEGA 11, 12
This is the first trace of Vega 11, a GPU we discussed a few weeks ago. It’s a smaller Vega chip for mid-range segment. Based on the charts we posted it was meant to replace Polaris, however that was a long ago, so the plans could’ve changed. The list below lists Vega 11 XT and Vega 11 PRO for AIBs, which basically mean custom cards based on Vega 11. There’s also an entry for FirePro card.
There’s also one entry with Vega 12 XT, a model listed as FirePro card.
AMD VEGA 10 XTX, XT and XL
Finally, the list confirms rumored codenames for upcoming Radeon RX Vega lineup. The XTX variant will launch as a liquid-cooled card, but it will also be available with air cooling. The XTX variant has higher TDP than XT, which is also listed below.
Vega 10 XL is the last variant listed. It’s the card for AIBs and OEMs.
AMD VEGA SERIES
Vega Listing GPU Variant Comments
VEGA11 XT AIB MBA VEGA 11 XT Vega 11 XT for AIBs
VEGA11 PRO AIB MBA VEGA 11 PRO Vega 11 PRO for AIBs
VEGA10 XT MBA DTOEM VEGA 10 XT Vega 10 XT for OEMs
VEGA10 XL MBA DTOEM VEGA 10 XL Vega 10 XL for OEMs
VEGA10 XT MBA AIB VEGA 10 XT Vega 10 XT for AIBs
VEGA10 XL MBA AIB VEGA 10 XL Vega 10 XL for AIBs
VEGA10 XTX LIQUID MBA AIB VEGA 10 XTX Vega 10 XTX for AIBs (LIQUID EDITION)
VEGA10 XT MBA AIB Reggs FCST VEGA 10 XT Vega 10 XT for AIBs
VEGA10 XTX LIQUID MBA AIB Reggs VEGA 10 XTX Vega 10 XTX for AIBs (LIQUID EDITION)
VEGA10 XTX AIR MBA AIB VEGA 10 XTX Vega 10 XTX for AIBs (AIR EDITION)
VEGA10 XTX AIR MBA AIB Reggs VEGA 10 XTX Vega 10 XTX for AIBs (AIR EDITION)
VEGA10 XT MBA DTOEM DELL NO EXTENDER VEGA 10 XT Vega 10 XT for OEMs
VEGA10 XT MBA DTOEM Dell med EXTENDER VEGA 10 XT Vega 10 XT for OEMs
AMD FirePro VEGA12XT WORKSTATION FCST VEGA 12 XT VEGA 12 XT FIREPRO
AMD FirePro VEGA11PRO WORKSTATION FCST VEGA 11 PRO VEGA 11 PRO FIREPRO
AMD FirePro VEGA11XT WORKSTATION FCST VEGA 11 XT VEGA 11 XT RADEON PRO
VEGA10 GLXT V320 MBA VEGA 10 GLXT Vega 10 GLXT RADEON PRO
VEGA10 GLXT MI25x2 MBA VEGA 10 GLXT Vega 10 GLXT Dual INSTINCT MI25
VEGA10 GLXL WX8100 MBA VEGA 10 GLXT Vega 10 GLXT RADEON PRO WX8100
VEGA10 GLXT WX9100 MBA VEGA 10 GLXT Vega 10 GLXT RADEON PRO WX9100
VEGA10 GLXT V340 MBA, VEGA 10 GLXT
VEGA10 GLXT MI25 MBA VEGA 10 GLXT Vega 10 GLXT INSTINCT MI25
VEGA10 GLXT SSG MBA VEGA 10 GLXT Vega 10 GLXT RADEON PRO VEGA SSG
VEGA20 GL HPC 32GB OEM FCST VEGA 20 GL Vega 20
VEGA20 GL HPC 32GB CHANNEL FCST VEGA 20 GL
VEGA20 GL HPC 16GB CHANNEL FCST VEGA 20 GL
VEGA20 GL HPC 16GB OEM FCST VEGA 20 GL
VEGA10 GLXT MI25 MBA GIBRALTAR ES VEGA 10 GLXT
VEGA10 GL XT SSG CHANNEL FCST VEGA 10 GLXT
VEGA10 GLXL WX8100 MBA FTS FCST VEGA 10 GLXT
VEGA10 GLXT MI25 MBA GIBRALTAR QS VEGA 10 GLXT
VEGA10 GLXT MI25 MBA GIBRALTAR VEGA 10 GLXT
VEGA10 GLXT SSG MBA Reggs FCST VEGA 10 GLXT
VEGA10 GLXT WX9100 MBA Reggs FCST VEGA 10 GLXT
RADEON VEGA FRONTIER EDITION AIR RETAIL VEGA 10 GLXT
RADEON VEGA FRONTIER EDITION LIQUID RETAIL VEGA 10 GLXT
VEGA10 GLXT MI25 MBA LENOVO FCST VEGA 10 GLXT
VEGA10 GLXT SSG MBA Reggs LTD ED FCST VEGA 10 GLXT
VEGA10 GLXT WX9100 MBA Reggs LTD ED FCST VEGA 10 GLXT
Quite a lot of SKUs
Pixel fillrate is definitely miles behind competitors products. Even GTX 1070 is quite a bit ahead.At least the horse power is all there. And we've seen in at least one geometry benchmark that Vega is strong in geometry throughput, though apparently not quite as strong in geometry culling. So where's the weakness? Is it that pesky non-functional tiled rasterizer? Maybe it's even the memory (controller).