AMD Vega (FE and RX) Benchmarks [Updated Aug 10 - RX Vega 64 Unboxing]

[Phynaz]

Not a peep from AMD about VR for this launch.

 

[Phynaz]

Would people be less locked in if Intel were to do Freesync?

Sure, that would make Nvidia the odd man out. Right now AMD is the odd man out.

 

[Kenmitch]

Sure, that would make Nvidia the odd man out. Right now AMD is the odd man out.

The odd man out would currently be Intel as they support neither.

 

[sontin]

Not a peep from AMD about VR for this launch.

They have released a video about VR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymem-O0ivBE

Doesnt say anything. Looks like that Vega doesnt offering new features over Polaris...

 

[jpiniero]

The odd man out would currently be Intel as they support neither.

There's been rumors they are going to support AdaptiveSync, perhaps as soon as Cannonlake's Gen10.

 

[Malogeek]

You seem to be forgetting the 800lb gorilla in the room. Intel doesn't do Freesync either.

As far as PC gaming is concerned, it's more like a 1lb mouse.

 

[CatMerc]

Sure, that would make Nvidia the odd man out. Right now AMD is the odd man out.

G Sync cannot be supported by AMD. VESA Adaptive Sync can be supported by NVIDIA.

The vendor "lock in" is completely on NVIDIA's head.

 

[Phynaz]

The odd man out would currently be Intel as they support neither.

Intel and Nvidia make up about 90% of the GPU market. Since they both do not support Freesync that makes AMD the niche.

 

[Phynaz]

G Sync cannot be supported by AMD. VESA Adaptive Sync can be supported by NVIDIA.

The vendor "lock in" is completely on NVIDIA's head.

AMD could choose to either license G-Sync or develop a comparable implementation.

Both companies at this time are locking in their customers.

 

[swilli89]

Intel and Nvidia make up about 90% of the GPU market. Since they both do not support Freesync that makes AMD the niche.

These mental gymnastics are actually quite impressive.

 

[IllogicalGlory]

Intel has no need to implement any kind of adaptive sync solution. Their chips are not meant for gaming, and would benefit very little from adaptive sync. It certainly wouldn't result in a wealth of gamers using Intel graphics.

 

[Paratus]

Intel and Nvidia make up about 90% of the GPU market. Since they both do not support Freesync that makes AMD the niche.

Neither Intel nor AMD can support the closed standard G-Sync, which makes NV the niche player.

 

[Bouowmx]

Intel has a use for adaptive sync: power savings in mobile. Also, because Intel GPU cannot game well, wouldn't that support the use of adaptive sync, to make the low frame rate more palatable? Real OTC, I know.

 

[IllogicalGlory]

Intel has a use for adaptive sync: power savings in mobile. Also, because Intel GPU cannot game well, wouldn't that support the use of adaptive sync, to help the low frame rate more palatable? Real OTC, I know.

I could see them going for the power saving benefits once the tech becomes widespread.

While it would help the gaming side of things, maybe substantially, the experience would still be vastly inferior to low end DGPUs. The overall performance is just too low for gaming. A 1050/460 class or even a 750 Ti class card without adaptive sync would still be far better.

 

[Kenmitch]

Intel and Nvidia make up about 90% of the GPU market. Since they both do not support Freesync that makes AMD the niche.

....followed by

AMD could choose to either license G-Sync or develop a comparable implementation.

Both companies at this time are locking in their customers.

How does the above make sense?

 

[CatMerc]

AMD could choose to either license G-Sync or develop a comparable implementation.

Both companies at this time are locking in their customers.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnastics

Come on man, you know damn well the cards are in NVIDIA's hands. Lock in is only on NVIDIA. Licensing G Sync will require approval by NVIDIA. Using VESA AS would require NVIDIA implementing it.

Whatever way you slice it, NVIDIA is the one responsible for segregation in the VRR market.

 

[Phynaz]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnastics

Come on man, you know damn well the cards are in NVIDIA's hands. Lock in is only on NVIDIA. Licensing G Sync will require approval by NVIDIA. Using VESA AS would require NVIDIA implementing it.

Whatever way you slice it, NVIDIA is the one responsible for segregation in the VRR market.

So the people in this very thread that are saying they aren't happy but have to go with Vega because they already have Freesync displays aren't locked in.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

 

[CRaul87]

So the people in this very thread that are saying they aren't happy but have to go with Vega because they already have Freesync displays aren't locked in.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

No they aren't, at least not economically speaking as free sync is well..... free.
Psychologically speaking, yes they are just as much as others are locked into believing anything else non tech related.
Now when Nvidia locks you in it does so on a economically tangible way.

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[Eymar]

No they aren't, at least not economically speaking as free sync is well..... free.
Psychologically speaking, yes they are just as much as others are locked into believing anything else non tech related.
Now when Nvidia locks you in it does so on a economically tangible way.

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Getting off topic, it's nice that HDMI 2.1 has VRR built into spec.

 

[PeterScott]

Getting off topic, it's nice that HDMI 2.1 has VRR built into spec.

Yeah, I mentioned it a page back, but people are more interested in the bun fight about lock in.

It will be interesting to see if NVidia supports it.

 

[Eymar]

Yeah, I mentioned it a page back, but people are more interested in the bun fight about lock in.

It will be interesting to see if NVidia supports it.

I would assume so since VRR is part of the HDMI spec. It would be very lame to have HDMI 2.1 on boxes and not have one of the highlight features. Scorpio will have HDMI 2.1 and VRR support so hopefully Vega will have that enabled via drivers once spec is finalized.

 

[3DVagabond]

It's obvious that AMD starved RTG to give its CPU division a fighting chance.

AMD has been, and always will be, a "CPU first" company. Considering the hype around graphics these days, AMD might be smart to just spin RTG off entirely at an inflated price and simply move on from graphics.

They have plans for the RTG IP. They need to continue to develop it. At least unlike Intel they do have a market for their work to offset costs.

 

[3DVagabond]

But you just said you the reason to buy a Vega GPU is because you already have a Freesync display. That's the definition of locked in.

I can't believe you are telling people to wait. Didn't you just recently post that you'd never do that? Sorry if I'm confusing you with someone else.


nVidia has the key to the lock they just have to use it. Gsync, on the other hand has everyone else firmly locked out. It goes against what made the PC what it is today to support standards like that. Might as well buy Apple because supporting closed ecosystems like Gsync can only lead to that.

AMD has already made "moar cores" mainstream. They've made VRR mainstream. They've reduced the price of entry into the high end workstation market, both CPU and GPU, drastically. They've advanced the state of the art in graphics API's and made it open to everyone. If you think they are a failure and don't choose to support them that's your choice, and I'm not going to argue with that. But choosing AMD isn't as bad as you seem to think. It's actually proven to be a good choice in recent years.

 

[Elixer]

I do wonder why isn't there a monitor that supports both G-sync & Freesync?
Seems they could wire up a bypass for G-sync if needed.

Also, this came out today... (shots fired!)
3x the performance with new drivers... it is almost like they were waiting for something to launch...

Our latest driver — available today — delivers 3x more performance in applications like Maya to help you create and design faster than ever.

...
And when you’re done if you want to rip through Battlefield 1 at 100 frames per second – no problem.

https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2017/...ls-of-performance-for-creative-professionals/

 

[3DVagabond]

I do wonder why isn't there a monitor that supports both G-sync & Freesync?
Seems they could wire up a bypass for G-sync if needed.

Also, this came out today... (shots fired!)
3x the performance with new drivers... it is almost like they were waiting for something to launch...


https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2017/...ls-of-performance-for-creative-professionals/

Hmmm? Why would they do that now?