AMD Vega (FE and RX) Benchmarks [Updated Aug 10 - RX Vega 64 Unboxing]

[HurleyBird]

If AMD is raising the MSRP, then there's a good chance that they've recently pulled a few small miracles on the driver front and that's a good thing.

If they're raising it because of mining... well, that's different, but one would think that they'd have had a good fix on mining performance back when they announced the original price.

 

[Carfax83]

If AMD is raising the MSRP, then there's a good chance that they've recently pulled a few small miracles on the driver front and that's a good thing.

Definitely a possibility, as there is certainly a precedent for this kind of thing from both AMD and NVidia. But if this is the case, then it would be the first time that AMD has really solid launch day drivers for one of their products. With AMD, you usually have to wait a long time (months) for the drivers to squeeze out the majority of the performance in a new architecture.

 

[jpiniero]

If they're raising it because of mining... well, that's different, but one would think that they'd have had a good fix on mining performance back when they announced the original price.

Well, Ethereum is back up to around $300. Perhaps that changes things. As long as it says at $300, Vega's going to sell out anyway so may as well try to get a little bit more.

 

[JDG1980]

Definitely a possibility, as there is certainly a precedent for this kind of thing from both AMD and NVidia. But if this is the case, then it would be the first time that AMD has really solid launch day drivers for one of their products. With AMD, you usually have to wait a long time (months) for the drivers to squeeze out the majority of the performance in a new architecture.

Well, they have had a lot longer to work on Vega drivers than for most other architectures. I can't remember the last time any GPU from AMD was delayed this long before release.

That said, I'm not expecting any miracles in gaming. But the mining performance claims are believable, since this is a compute-first architecture and AMD seems to have added opcodes explicitly for crypto/hashing-related functions.

 

[HurleyBird]

Definitely a possibility, as there is certainly a precedent for this kind of thing from both AMD and NVidia. But if this is the case, then it would be the first time that AMD has really solid launch day drivers for one of their products. With AMD, you usually have to wait a long time (months) for the drivers to squeeze out the majority of the performance in a new architecture.

I wouldn't necessarily go that far. The drivers are obviously not very mature right now. If AMD did find a decent performance gain, which is of course a big if, that probably only moves them closer to the state they would traditionally be at for a launch, and doesn't necessarily mean that they've squeezed out the majority of performance.

 

[EXCellR8]

I'm sure the drivers will be solid by the time Navi rolls out

 

[Red Hawk]

So in gaming Vega is only competitive with GP104 for performance and significantly behind at perf/watt; forget about competing with GP102. Disappointing, but not exactly surprising. At the end of the day though, what matters to me is if it's a worthwhile upgrade from my 290X. Fury wasn't because of being limited to 4 GB, and Polaris wasn't because of the lack of raw shader muscle and bandwidth. Vega is the all-around upgrade I've been waiting for; would rather not give my money to Nvidia. I'll go for Vega 64 as well; it's purely subjective, but I can't stand the thought of having a "harvested" chip that's not performing as well as it could. Just my personal preference; went for a 5770 over a 5750, 7870 over a 7850, and a 290X over a 290.

That is, I'll go for Vega 64 when I have money for a full system upgrade to a Vega/Ryzen system, which I do not right now. Might just end up waiting until prices go down on both. And when the current mining bubble hopefully pops. Drivers and software support should be more mature by then too.

 

[Glo.]

Wrong thread. NVM.

 

[fleshconsumed]

Out of curiosity I googled for Vega FE noise, came across this video, skip to 7m30s mark:

This is R9 290 all over again, overvolted, overly loud and throttling even at 100% fan speed. I'm trying to convince myself to buy Vega, but man, AMD is not making it easy. Between the noise, the heat, the throttling, atrocious reference cooler and alleged $100 price hike on Vega64 model, it's kind of a lot to stomach. I suppose I could always do the AIO Red Mod like I did with R9 290, but man, I don't want to do that again... At least mounting holes on Vega are 64mm as opposed to 52.5mm on 290/Polaris which should make it a bit easier to mount AIO block.

 

[Malogeek]

Videos in ASCII format, that's a new one.

 

[Magic Hate Ball]

Out of curiosity I googled for Vega FE noise, came across this video, skip to 7m30s mark:

This is R9 290 all over again, overvolted, overly loud and throttling even at 100% fan speed. I'm trying to convince myself to buy Vega, but man, AMD is not making it easy. Between the noise, the heat, the throttling, atrocious reference cooler and alleged $100 price hike on Vega64 model, it's kind of a lot to stomach. I suppose I could always do the AIO Red Mod like I did with R9 290, but man, I don't want to do that again... At least mounting holes on Vega are 64mm as opposed to 52.5mm on 290/Polaris which should make it a bit easier to mount AIO block.

I mean yes, but it's a reference blower card? They're meant for cramped cases with less airflow, usually OEM stuff?

How about that Titan Xp blower reference card?

 

[fleshconsumed]

I mean yes, but it's a reference blower card? They're meant for cramped cases with less airflow, usually OEM stuff?

How about that Titan Xp blower reference card?

True. However it is still depressing to hear that blower fan. That and Vega is competing with 1070/1080 that have much power consumption and that will not have to spin up fans as fast, all things equal nVidia cards will be quieter.

BTW, looks like Frys has Vega64 on preorder for $600 so the alleged part of the price hike looks to be true. Depending on how things go I very well may have to keep my Polaris until Navi comes out and then reevaluate.

 

[coercitiv]

BTW, looks like Frys has Vega64 on preorder for $600 so the alleged part of the price hike looks to be true.

Would you rather have $500 and sold out everywhere?

How much is RX 580 at Frys?

 

[NomanA]

Multiple sites are now reporting via GamersNexus original article, that Vega 56 embargo has been moved forward. Originally the card was supposed to come out in September, with performance reviews coming out at the same time.

Now the embargo date has been moved forward to be same as Vega 64. Unboxing embargo ends on Aug 12. Performance review embargo ends on Aug 14, and the cards hit release Aug 28. AMD has supposedly shipped Vega 56 to reviewers already.

This news if true is great. I have almost zero interest in a $500-600 300W Vega 64 card, which performs about the same as 1080. However, a 220W $400 (or under) 8GB Vega 56, performing about the same, is an entirely different offering. Can't wait for the performance numbers, and overclocking reports.

 

[Head1985]

Multiple sites are now reporting via GamersNexus original article, that Vega 56 embargo has been moved forward. Originally the card was supposed to come out in September, with performance reviews coming out at the same time.

Now the embargo date has been moved forward to be same as Vega 64. Unboxing embargo ends on Aug 12. Performance review embargo ends on Aug 14, and the cards hit release Aug 28. AMD has supposedly shipped Vega 56 to reviewers already.

This news if true is great. I have almost zero interest in a $500-600 300W Vega 64 card, which performs about the same as 1080. However, a 220W $400 (or under) 8GB Vega 56, performing about the same, is an entirely different offering. Can't wait for the performance numbers, and overclocking reports.

There is zero chance vega 56 will cost MSRP or bellow.Expect 600+ USD after miners buy them out in first 5min.Vega 64 will be 1000USD.
To be honest i dont know why AMD even trying and sends them to reviewers(gamers will not have chance buy any vega card).They should just say vega have 70-100Mh/s and they will sell every card for next 2 years to mining..

 

[Headfoot]

Its not gonna happen because of hardware, or because of software?

GCN5 does NOT HAVE hardware bottlenecks. ONLY thing which can bottleneck it is Software.

I have been silent for past few weeks to get understanding of Vega architecture. The conclusion is very simple. From architecture standing point Vega has all of Nvidia CUDA most important features, but adds on top of them extremely clever culling system, and memory paging system.

About the culling system here is very informative video:

I do not see a reason why architecture that has higher throughput, but requires software optimization, would be slower than weaker architecture in optimized software.

What an absolutely ludicrous statement. All hardware has bottlenecks. Period. Every single one. It's a matter of how many bottlenecks do you widen until you call the product done. There is always eventually some part that can't go as fast as the others. If you are saying that every single component, transistor and stage of Vega is 100% in sync and does not stall or bottleneck anywhere ever, you are 100% incorrect.

 

[nathanddrews]

Any word from AMD yet that Vega will have all the DRM it needs to enable 4K streaming and UHD Blu-ray?

 

[tential]

There is zero chance vega 56 will cost MSRP or bellow.Expect 600+ USD after miners buy them out in first 5min.Vega 64 will be 1000USD.
To be honest i dont know why AMD even trying and sends them to reviewers(games will not have chance buy any vega card).They should just say vega have 70-100Mh/s and they will sell every card for next 2 years to mining..

Why will Vega 64 sell at $1000 when Vega fe isn't....

 

[Head1985]

Why will Vega 64 sell at $1000 when Vega fe isn't....

Because vega FE with old drivers have 30Mh/s.Vega64 with new driver will have 3x more.

 

[crashtech]

But Vega FE with new drivers might be the same.

 

[Krteq]

Because vega FE with old drivers have 30Mh/s.Vega64 with new driver will have 3x more.

If Vega 64 gets a new driver, then Vega FE will gets the same driver too, right?

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[ozzy702]

Because vega FE with old drivers have 30Mh/s.Vega64 with new driver will have 3x more.

I'll believe it when I see it. That said... I'm probably going to pick up a couple Vegas to play with.

 

[crashtech]

All I want to know is if and when the pre-orders start.

 

[Malogeek]

Any word from AMD yet that Vega will have all the DRM it needs to enable 4K streaming and UHD Blu-ray?

I couldn't get a single response from anyone at AMD via multiple avenues for Polaris features for DRM so no idea if that's going to change or anything is different. I still have no idea is Polaris-tech chips support all levels of PlayReady 3.

 

[Konan]

Apparent Vega hash rates -

Some bench from vega 64 with nicehash 1.8.1.0

keccak 0.724 GH/s
DaggerHashimoto 31.275 MH/s
DaggerDecred 31.317 M/0.940G H/s
DaggerPascal 30.993 M/0.930G H/s
DaggerSia 30.718 M/0.922G H/s
Decred 2.659 GH/s
CryptoNight 800.000 H/s
Lbry 0.192 Gh/s
Pascal 1.668Gh/s
X11Gost 13.400 Mh/s

Claymore 9.8 ETH + SIA
33MH/s - 1011MH/s