AMD vs. Intel

urge13

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No, I do not want to start a flamewar.

I posed this to another technical forum and I thought I would get another view. Keep in mind that I'm a huge AMD fan.

Here's the question:

In reviewing the 64-IA and the Hammer x86-64 technology, I'm just wondering if AMD is making a huge mistake in sticking with the dated x86. They may be diverging enough to separate themselves from Intel, but when the 64-IA comes out, will AMD be left behind.
 

Remnant2

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It's a tough call... you have to realize that the choices made by the two CPU companies were not made by flipping a coin. There are reasons behind it.

Intel had many reasons to finally create a new, non-x86 architecture, just about all of them good, including a cleaner (some would debate this. ) architecture, improved performance, and less byzantine CPU designs. But one of the downsides (depends on your point of view) is that it will be much tougher for another CPU company to make IA64 compatible CPUs, as Intel owns a great many of the patents required to implement IA64 in a fast design. Not saying that it would be impossible, it would just likely take a whole different approach to the ISA.

AMD also had reasons for staying with x86. The first is the inverse of the above -- they might not even be able to MAKE an IA64-compatible processor. (Of course they could take the VIA-like approach and say ah heck off until they get dragged into court, but I don't think that would be wise).

The second reason is simple: x86 is bloody popular.

People have been predicting the death of x86 almost since it first was released, but like some out of control automaton it just keep plugging away. Along the way it has made up the performance gap and surpassed almost all of its competitors, those who said it could never deliver in performance like a RISC design could (Notice the top single integer CPUs in SPEC2000 today are the AthlonXp1800 and the P4 2ghz).

So with all of that momentum, is it likely that x86 will die away? My opinion is: not likely. x86's popularity has nothing to do with technical features but just the fact that it owns 98% of the market.

When IA64 comes out, the OS will support it, and high end apps will be compiled to gain the floating point superiority of that design, but the vast majority of the apps, for at least 5 years afterwards IMO, will continue to be written for x86 and thus run through the hardware emulation on ia64.

The reason for this is simple: Someone writing an application or game wants to reach the broadest consumer base possible. It's sort of a no brainer if targeting x86 means you get the entire audience using x86 CPUs, PLUS those using ia64 (through emulation). If you just target IA64, you loose a lot of that legacy market -- and in the near time frame, that's pretty much everything.

During that timeframe it is likely that AMD will thus have the highest-performing x86 processor, since there is a somewhat harsh penalty for running in emulation.

After 5 years from ia64's widespread release, my guess is it will gain enough popularity that AMD will have to look at making a compatible CPU. But we'll see...
 

aswedc

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Its interesting that AMD has the Hammer in both the Server and Performance Desktop areas in their roadmap while it seems that Intel has no plans to bring IA-64 to the desktop anytime soon. This means that the Hammer will likely replace the Athlon as the enthusiasts processor of choice mid 2003, ensuring a large installed base of x86-64 chips right away. If software makers start using the x86-64 instructions then Hammer will be a success before IA64 even gets to the desktop, but they could just as well ignore them and treat the Hammer as a high performance x86-32 CPU in which case Intel can take its time introducing IA-64. I see IA-64 sticking to servers and x86-64 just being used only as an optional extention, like 3dnow, in desktop software until at least mid 2004. The huge installed base of x86-64 machines at the time Intel moves IA-64 to the desktop should make for a very interesting battle. Of course, I have absolutely no background in processors or business, so I could be totally wrong
 
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