AMD vs. Intel

tharef

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Ive always known the Athlons to be cheaper than their comparable Pentiums. Ive been doing some research on upgrading my system recently and noticed that it seems the Pentiums are cheaper now (www.pricewatch.com). Should I stick with AMD? If so what processor do you guys reccommend ? How is the Athlon XP 2400? Once you go above that your looking to shell out another $100.

BTW: Athlon XP 2400 (1.93GHz) = $165 / Pentium 4 1.9 GHz = $133

WTF???
 

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Lifer
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Ive always known the Athlons to be cheaper than their comparable Pentiums. Ive been doing some research on upgrading my system recently and noticed that it seems the Pentiums are cheaper now (www.pricewatch.com). Should I stick with AMD? If so what processor do you guys reccommend ? How is the Athlon XP 2400? Once you go above that your looking to shell out another $100.

BTW: Athlon XP 2400 (1.93GHz) = $165 / Pentium 4 1.9 GHz = $133

WTF???

how about comparing that XP 2400 to an P4 2.4, huh??

if you already have a good AMD board that supports the recend t-bred CPU's than get an AMD. if your buying all new (mb, ram etc) than go w/ whatever floats your boat.

 

dguy6789

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You wanna know something? Compare the 2400+ to a 2.4 ghz p4, the 2400+ would totally slap around a 1.9ghz p4.
 

nick1985

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amd is superior to intel in price/performance ratio. yes. a 2400 will kick the crap out of a 1.9 intel. why you ask??? you say they are similar speeds??? well amd is better designed than intel and they run a lot better, thats why
 

Nimbus1951

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Looking at Price/performance ratio AMD is still the best. But if you really want power (I mean top of the line - incarnate 3d gamer/maniac) I guess Intel may be the better choice. It saddens me since I've always been an AMD fan.

Btw. dunno if you know this tharef, but the 2400+ indicates that the processor offers the same speed as a P4 2400. The truth is, as far as I know, that it delivers even more. On the other hand Intel has some kick ass memory...

Btw. what about the Barton core? Has it been released yet? I hope it will kick Intels ass back where it should be...

Bottom of the line, the way things are at the moment I think you could get the fastest system using an Intel, but you would also have to use a lot of money. I would go for AMD. No need to waste a lot of money for just 10%, or so, more power.

Regards,
Nimbus
 

pspada

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No kidding, I've always found the AMD CPUs to kick Intel's ass - even when comparing a XP 2400+ to a P4 2.4. Why? Cause Intel don't really give a s**t, they sell millions of chips anyways. AMD has to make their chips better, as well as better performers, 'cause they are the underdog. I figure I gave more than enough of my money to Intel before I had a choice.

I've built at least the last 1000 systems around AMD chips, and have never, ever, had a problem (well, excluding Winblows issues but that ain't the hardware).
 

CraigRT

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Originally posted by: dguy6789
You wanna know something? Compare the 2400+ to a 2.4 ghz p4, the 2400+ would totally slap around a 1.9ghz p4.

and a 2.4 too.
 

OneOfTheseDays

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amd would be my choice. It seems that the nforce 2 board (asus) plus a cheapo $50 XP 1600 or 1800 is a great combo, followed by an upgrade to barton later on. Pair it up with some nice DDR 333 or higher ram and your all set.
 

pspada

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Geez, why not get a real motherboard at the same time. My FIC AN19E has got everything, KT400, Raid, Serial ATA, can be overclocked by 1Mhz increments, you name it. The AN19C has all this except Raid and Serial ATA, I believe.
 

pspada

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Quoting Intel:

"My Giga hurts"

Why else do you think they want everyone to buy into their It-Lame-iam chips?
 

Mingon

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I have just gone back to intel for the first time since 650e@866, I now have a 1.8a + p4b533 running at 155fsb for 2.8ghz for a cost of £150. My previous was an epox kt333 with 1800xp tbred@1843 - the difference in performance is not that significant but the heat generated is! my advice is go for a 1.8a piv, the athlons are good but until barton that core is too small
 

HokieESM

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Oh no... another pointless thread wasted by fanboys galore. Here's a tip: it doesn't matter.

As far as the "gigahertz" myth... that's why AMD has a power rating. And it works relatively well. Look at benchmarks.... you mostly see the clumped together based on gigahertz for Intel and PR for AMD. There are a few exceptions (the Athlon is good at FPU and SSE2 is owned by Intel)... but for the most part, its even.

And the whole "AMD makes better chips because they don't need as much gigahertz to compete"-line is BS. If we fell for that, then some of the MIPS processors would destroy anything (their FPU is a LOT faster than AMD/Intel.... and they run at 1.2GHz). AMD and Intel took two different routes to chip design--each with its own pros and cons (what a surprise). The Athlon core is efficient, but not as scalable (hence the lower clock speeds)... but the Intel chip can blow the physical speed through the roof.

Don't "prefer" a brand over another... look for what you want. AMD definitely rules the roost sub-2.4GHz. But at 2.4, the Athlon is $165 and the P4 2.4B is $183 (right off pricewatch). Them's pretty close prices... and shockingly enough, pretty close performance. Buy what you want and quit with the blatant fanboy-ism. If you like AMD because AT THAT TIME they have the best price/performance ratio in your price range, by all means, buy it. If you want Intel (for whatever reason), go for it.

And, by the way, I have a P4 2.26 system AND a Athlon 1800+ system right now.
 

meson2000

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First of all, the 2400+ operates at 2ghz not 1.93ghz.
Second, if you compare the Athlon to the P4 mhz to mhz
the Athlon is going to grind the P4 into the ground. The whole
point of the performance rating system for the Athlon is
to compare its performance rating to the equivalent P4's mhz speed. (Even though
AMD claims it is to compare the XP's to a 1.4ghz Thunderbird).
Generally, most people will not be able to tell the difference in performance
between a P4 and an XP with the equivalent rating.
 

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Lifer
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Generally, most people will not be able to tell the difference in performance
between a P4 and an XP with the equivalent rating.

Generally most people won't be able to tell the difference between any of the top 6 cpus. xp 2800, 2700, 2600 P4 3.0, 2.9, 2.8 all are pretty close. only benchmark fanbois will really be able to tell the difference.

 

Jeff7181

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I prefer AMD because I know when I'm buying it, I'm paying for the product, not for a few morons to paint themselves blue and dance around for a TV commercial. I've used Intel CPU's... never owned one, but used many... and there are some that are impressive, but for some reason, (IMHO) Intel CPU's always seem to drag their feet in simple windows tasks... opening programs, switching between windows, closing programs. Intel may hold the performance crown for now... but again I must point out... how much is the 3.06 Ghz HT enabled P4? About $700 on average depending where you look... and how much is the XP2800? Newegg sells them for $400 (provided you buy a motherboard as well.) If you look at the benchmarks, there's not a lot of things that the P4 can beat the XP2800 in other than extremely CPU intensive applications.
Just look at how the XP2800 slapped the snot out of the 3.06 P4 in the UT2003 Botmatch benchmark which is supposed to be highly CPU intensive.
Intel finally took the lead with 3D Studio Max... which looks as though it's largely due to HT... finally... something HT is good for =) How many of you work with 3D Studio Max on a daily basis though and could justify spending an extra $300 on a CPU to finish tasks 10 seconds quicker?
And when using SSE2... the P4 is finally able to match performance with the Athlon XP of equal Mhz. In some tests, and still get whomped in other tests... even using it's OWN instruction set that AMD hasn't implimented into their CPU's yet!

Bottom line... when looking at anandtech bencmarks... I see enough green at the top of the charts to convince me that an XP2800 CPU for $400 is a MUCH smarter buy than an Intel P4 3.06 Ghz HT for $700.
 

sniperruff

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i remember when i was new i asked a similar question...

well intel's tricks of more-ghz-makes-a-better-processor just blew up since hyper-threading appeared... (P4 3.06)

when i was new i always thought that athlon's require more maintainace... but then i went AMD
---intel's require OCing to "release" its full potential
---AMD's are just cheap and maintainace-free

pretty opposite from the old stereotype that AMD's are "unstable"

if you are new and don't want to fuss with anything (i'm not saying you can't OC an athlon), get a retail althon.

it works fine. it's cheap. 3 year warranty. why not?

when comparing intel and amd's, use the model number of amd...

for example, a P4 1.7 would provide similar performance as an athlon 1700 (assume no OC)

good luck building your computer
 

Toymaker

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LOL! Man......these AMD vs Intel threads are classic. Ford vs GM, Ali vs Frasier, Husband/Wife vs Mother-in-Law.
 

beenlurkingforyears

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Yep, it is a classic... But if you really don't care what processor you will use, buy an AMD. It is only because of competion that you (and the rest of us) aren't looking at paying two or three times as much for a processor.

I just wish we had good competition in Operating Systems, too (but that is a different topic .
 

Jeff7181

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Originally posted by: Toymaker
LOL! Man......these AMD vs Intel threads are classic. Ford vs GM, Ali vs Frasier, Husband/Wife vs Mother-in-Law.

Do you have anything useful to say? I'm curious what Intel "guys" have to say about it other than "mine's faster cause it's got more giga hertzes"
 

Jeff7181

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pretty opposite from the old stereotype that AMD's are "unstable"

Anything is unstable if you don't know what you're doing.

when comparing intel and amd's, use the model number of amd...

The sad thing is that people actually have to be TOLD this

for example, a P4 1.7 would provide similar performance as an athlon 1700 (assume no OC)

Should... and might in benchmarks... however my old room mate had a P4 2.0 and my XP1700 Palomino seemed faster than his... even he admitted that... we were both using similar hardware... GF2 MX400, 40 GB Maxtor Diamon Max drives, 256 mb DDR
 
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