Originally posted by: Toymaker
Maybe you should read my posts again... I stated my opinion backed up with facts. It wasn't until you chimed in with nothing of importance to say that I started bashing. Your first comment was long the lines of "silly children"... if it's such a stupid argument, why did you feel the need to post at all?
Read your first post:
"I prefer AMD because I know when I'm buying it, I'm paying for the product, not for a few morons to paint themselves blue and dance around for a TV commercial."
This is a useful fact?
"Intel CPU's always seem to drag their feet in simple windows tasks... opening programs, switching between windows, closing programs. "
another useful fact, eh?
"Intel may hold the performance crown for now... but again I must point out... how much is the 3.06 Ghz HT enabled P4? About $700 on average depending where you look... and how much is the XP2800? Newegg sells them for $400"
Oh, you can actually buy an XP2800 now, eh? Another useful fact?
"Just look at how the XP2800 slapped the snot out of the 3.06 P4 in the UT2003 Botmatch benchmark which is supposed to be highly CPU intensive. Intel finally took the lead with 3D Studio Max... which looks as though it's largely due to HT... finally... something HT is good for =) How many of you work with 3D Studio Max on a daily basis though and could justify spending an extra $300 on a CPU to finish tasks 10 seconds quicker?"
Well, does the average person who buys or builds a PC use UT2003 botmatch benchmark on a daily basis?
"And when using SSE2... the P4 is finally able to match performance with the Athlon XP of equal Mhz. In some tests, and still get whomped in other tests... even using it's OWN instruction set that AMD hasn't implimented into their CPU's yet!"
So, all of the benchmarks are SSE2 enabled? And, since AMD doesen't have SSE2, Intel should remove it from it's processors? Yeah, right..
"Bottom line... when looking at anandtech bencmarks... I see enough green at the top of the charts to convince me that an XP2800 CPU for $400 is a MUCH smarter buy than an Intel P4 3.06 Ghz HT for $700. "
So, i can buy an XP2800 from who? And have it delivered when? And what's the price again?
Where are the facts that you're talking about? If you have an opinion, that's not a problem. But don't get mad with people because they don't agree with you. That just shows that you're insecure about your own opinion.[/quote]
Athlon XP 2800+ has been available through Newegg.com for the past month. The price is 390$, although it MUST BE PURCHASED WITH A MOTHERBOARD! So total cost is about 500$ delivered in about 5 days (currently Newegg is OOS, but they've been in for more than a month). Don't forget you're going to need a decent heatsink to cool that puppy, so factor in another 20$. Final cost being around $520, vs. Intel 3.06ghz + motherboard for about $760. $240 price difference which can get you some pretty darn good RAM. If you don't need the motherboard you can always sell it for about cost in the FS/FT forums. So $410 vs. $650 (for 3.06ghz alone)., a 240$ difference.
As for benchmarking in such games as UT2k3, or programs such as 3D Studio Max, Photoshop, etc, I feel those are more important than 3dMark or Sandra can ever be, considering they illustrate actual real-world performance vs. synthetic benchmarks(as for the argument 3dMark is important, pffft, MadOnion doesn't exactly play it straight with that benchmark). Whichever one is more economic for the performance, I'm buying.
For the price, go AMD right now. If you're going to wait till about late Spring to upgrade, I'd highly suggest checking out Intel 800mh DC DDR platform coming out. That should be very, very nice, and hopefull by then theres more higher yeilding C1 chips on the market and costs have been driven down.