AMD vs. Intel

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: THUGSROOK
choosy mothers choose JIF

its a flamebait thread ~ what do you expect?

My momma is so stupid, she took the blind Pepsi taste challenge and still chose Jif

 

[sniperruff]

Originally posted by: Toymaker
Yeah. I know BigJ2078. I was just giving Jeff7181 a hard time. I need to get out of here. I'm starting to enjoy this.

LOL! Hey, sniperruff, Lets not add Cyrix to the mix too.

my point with bigj 2078 exactly. more competition = sweet deals for consumers

IMO 2 big companies fighting to sell a similar product = 2 guys sacking each other with open money bags. we little consumers watch them fight while we pick up the wads of dough!

i say 3,4 CPU manufacturers are enough. throw in more then they can trick the noobs (me) into buying stuff that are unusable within a matter of years when the small companies close!

 

[Mikki]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: THUGSROOK
choosy mothers choose JIF

its a flamebait thread ~ what do you expect?

My momma is so stupid, she took the blind Pepsi taste challenge and still chose Jif

lol! Y'know what ticks me off? That I just read thru another Intel vs AMD thread....

 

[Jeff7181]

"Where are the facts that you're talking about? If you have an opinion, that's not a problem. But don't get mad with people because they don't agree with you. That just shows that you're insecure about your own opinion. "

It's not my fault you can't tell the difference between fact and opinion. I'm not mad with people because they don't agree with me. I was calling you on your stupid comment that had absolutely nothing of any value contained in it.

 

[Ketchup]

One thing I don't understand is why Intel doesn't sell any "cheap" chips. I mean, a 1.8A Northwood is $140, while a new XP 1800 with the T-bred core is only $65. Once you get to 2.4 GHz, things even out, but then you lose your overclockability (most 1.8A's can overclock within 100 MHz of a 2.4B.)

My Northwood is more fun to overclock than my XP1800 was (I had to use an 80 CFM Delta to overclock that sucker), but I think it all comes down to personal preference.

I am just glad both companies are still in business, because both companies are putting out bigger and better products despite a lackluster economy. Just think if the economy five or ten years ago was similar to today's? Intel wasn't worried too much about AMD back then.

 

[Toymaker]

Jeff7181,
And, what value did any of your posts have contained in them? All you've presented are a bunch of unsubstantiated opinions from a very insecure person. You can deny it all you want but it's obvious. You're just mad because i didn't go along with your ridiculous ranting. And, you have no sense of humor too. Just the facts, man. Just the facts.
Your turn

 

[Toymaker]

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: Toymaker
Yeah. I know BigJ2078. I was just giving Jeff7181 a hard time. I need to get out of here. I'm starting to enjoy this.

LOL! Hey, sniperruff, Lets not add Cyrix to the mix too.

my point with bigj 2078 exactly. more competition = sweet deals for consumers

IMO 2 big companies fighting to sell a similar product = 2 guys sacking each other with open money bags. we little consumers watch them fight while we pick up the wads of dough!

i say 3,4 CPU manufacturers are enough. throw in more then they can trick the noobs (me) into buying stuff that are unusable within a matter of years when the small companies close!

You're right. We do need the competition. We consumers would greatly benefit from it. I like both AMD and Intel but all they basically have is each other to feed off of. And AMD is likely to gain most if not all of their lost market share back this year, which in my opinion is good since it'll put more pressure on Intel. A Cyrix or even a Motorola could eventually make things real interesting.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Mikki

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: THUGSROOK
choosy mothers choose JIF

its a flamebait thread ~ what do you expect?

My momma is so stupid, she took the blind Pepsi taste challenge and still chose Jif

lol! Y'know what ticks me off? That I just read thru another Intel vs AMD thread....

I hear ya, but at least Thugs and I added a few smiles to the nonsense

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Toymaker
Jeff7181,
And, what value did any of your posts have contained in them? All you've presented are a bunch of unsubstantiated opinions from a very insecure person. You can deny it all you want but it's obvious. You're just mad because i didn't go along with your ridiculous ranting. And, you have no sense of humor too. Just the facts, man. Just the facts.
Your turn

Since you don't accept private message for whatever, reason, I'll make one last post in this thread.

Thanks for your "useful input"... noted. Now move on.

 

[Bad Dude]

Since the heated debate is on the chips that I cannot decide on, maybe you guys can help me on it.
Presently I have the P4 board Epox 4G4A+, and cannot decide on whether to keep Intel or go to AMD. Should I get the 1.8A or should I go with AMD TBred 1800+ and overclock. I can get a good AMD board for about $50 used so the AMD setup will turn out cheaper. I am afraid of Newegg OEM warranty of 30 days only. I thought all OEM chips are warranty by the seller for 1 year?
Thanks.

 

[Bovinicus]

Once you break past the $100 mark, the P4s are very competitive in terms of price/performance with Athlon XPs. Below that point, Intel doesn't have anything that can compete. Yes, there is the P4 Celeron, but the performance of that CPU is terrible. Both CPUs overclock pretty well, especially the 130nm variants of each one.

 

[Gondo]

These type posts always turn into wars. And this question is a rather hard one to answer.
Benchmarks are just numbers, they are somewhat useful, but we don't sit around running
benchmarks all day long to feel satisfied with our purchaces.

The benchmarks are only a tool, determine what you use your computer for most of the time,
and look toward those benchmarks, for your decisions. If you do alot of MP3 conversions,
or do video editing, or gaming or whatever. Then check some benchmark results, and try to
make a informed choice. What is best for you, in your budget range. I don't base my decision
on just, this one is better in this benchmark, or that one, I try to get the best balanced
solution, that fits my needs.

I get over 15k 3DMarks, but honestly, I can't tell the difference from when I only got 9k.

Also keep in mind the other aspects, like noise (fans), that matters very much to me, while
some people don't care about it. Stability on the other hand is very important, I can't suggest
what board works better with what, because I have not tried alot of them, but that is an
important issue to consider. It only takes a few rounds of spending 100+ on a board, just
to toss it in the dumpster, and try again...

 

[Bad Dude]

I have noticed that a few of you guys have Intel chips while favor AMD in the debate, can you tell me why? I am trying to figure out what to do in few days as this 486 is much too slow. I just need to get my computer running again.
Thanks.

 

[Toymaker]

Originally posted by: Bad_Dude
Since the heated debate is on the chips that I cannot decide on, maybe you guys can help me on it.
Presently I have the P4 board Epox 4G4A+, and cannot decide on whether to keep Intel or go to AMD. Should I get the 1.8A or should I go with AMD TBred 1800+ and overclock. I can get a good AMD board for about $50 used so the AMD setup will turn out cheaper. I am afraid of Newegg OEM warranty of 30 days only. I thought all OEM chips are warranty by the seller for 1 year?
Thanks.

It looks like your final decision might come down to your individual budget. You can of course keep your 4G4A+ and upgrade the processor. It is predicted that the C1 stepping 1.8A's should be trickling into the retail markets real soon. You can talk with a vendor and try and match up a 1.8 processor from their stock with one of the C1 1.8s from this listingIntel processor spec finder. Remember though that just because a cpu is C1 stepping doesn't guarantee that it'll be an overclocking demon. It's just more likely that you'll find a real good overclocker among the C1 1.8s and 2.26s. Epox boards have a reputation for their overclockability so you should be good there. The type and brand of memory that you have will be a factor in your overclocking too. One the other hand, you can decide to keep your current computer and go for the XP1800+ on a refurbed Nforce2 board and get some really nice performance as well. Keep in mind that most manufacturers offer a much longer warranty than just 30 days. If something went wrong with your motherboard or cpu past the reseller's 30 day limit, you could still RMA it to the manufacturer for the cost of shipping.

 

[Mikki]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: Mikki

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: THUGSROOK
choosy mothers choose JIF

its a flamebait thread ~ what do you expect?

My momma is so stupid, she took the blind Pepsi taste challenge and still chose Jif

lol! Y'know what ticks me off? That I just read thru another Intel vs AMD thread....

I hear ya, but at least Thugs and I added a few smiles to the nonsense

hehe...smiles are always good, esp. in flamebait threads...no offense to the thread creator, but these threads never solve anything except to divide the fanboys ever further apart...

 

[Bad Dude]

Well manufacturers does not support OEM CPUs. It's the resellers that give the warranty.

 

[DivideBYZero]

There should be an 'auto-lock' on threads with this Title.....

 

[SSXeon5]

Ight ill jump in, AMD SUX, INTEL RULES!!!! Yeah im a cool guy now

It really comes down to brand names and money. I just ordered $605 worth of parts tonite (finally) and o boy lets just say this will be a sweet upgrade But I looked at performance/price too, and really didnt take a big chunk out of my wallet. It all comes down to what brands you like and money like i said before, just like cars, its what you grew up with, or love and/or trust. This Intel vs. AMD crap is getting old but this thread opened with a simple question, and all the fanboys came in ranting about how amds stomp intels ect. And Mikki had a very good point:

lol! Y'know what ticks me off? That I just read thru another Intel vs AMD thread....

lol!

SSXeon

 

[Toymaker]

Originally posted by: Bad_Dude
Well manufacturers does not support OEM CPUs. It's the resellers that give the warranty.

Yep. He'd have to find a boxed SL6LA and hope that it overclocks well.

 

[yhelothar]

easy answer... depends on your budget.. if you have more than $150, go with intel, if you have less than $150, go with AMD.
XP 2100+ costs like $80
P4 2.0GHz costs around $150
xp2100+ whips the 2GHz P4 performance wise

but when you compare the xp2600+ and P4 2.66GHz which are priced similarily, the P4 may have a slight edge, especially when overclocked.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: SSXeon5
Ight ill jump in, AMD SUX, INTEL RULES!!!! Yeah im a cool guy now

It really comes down to brand names and money. I just ordered $605 worth of parts tonite (finally) and o boy lets just say this will be a sweet upgrade But I looked at performance/price too, and really didnt take a big chunk out of my wallet. It all comes down to what brands you like and money like i said before, just like cars, its what you grew up with, or love and/or trust. This Intel vs. AMD crap is getting old but this thread opened with a simple question, and all the fanboys came in ranting about how amds stomp intels ect. And Mikki had a very good point:

lol! Y'know what ticks me off? That I just read thru another Intel vs AMD thread....

lol!

SSXeon

Are you finally getting the Granite bay Setup you always wanted?

 

[imgod2u]

BTW, the reason all Intel chips are above $100 (except for the Celerons)? They make money that way. Selling chips for $60 does not gain much of a profit (if any at all considering the 9 metal layer process the Athlons are fabricated on). AMD needs to do this to gain a price advantage (and sell more), however, it doesn't exactly help them. It's a pretty faulty business model and is probably why they're loosing money.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: imgod2u
BTW, the reason all Intel chips are above $100 (except for the Celerons)? They make money that way. Selling chips for $60 does not gain much of a profit (if any at all considering the 9 metal layer process the Athlons are fabricated on). AMD needs to do this to gain a price advantage (and sell more), however, it doesn't exactly help them. It's a pretty faulty business model and is probably why they're loosing money.

The reason that AMD does things this way. Why have multiple fabs on differing processes? They remain dynamic if they produce all from the same process as they can more easily 'bin' them higher or lower as the market requires. Running some old processes or core tech would inherit the limitations of such processes and take up fab real estate that could be turned to the more flexible cores.

 

[SSXeon5]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: SSXeon5
Ight ill jump in, AMD SUX, INTEL RULES!!!! Yeah im a cool guy now

It really comes down to brand names and money. I just ordered $605 worth of parts tonite (finally) and o boy lets just say this will be a sweet upgrade But I looked at performance/price too, and really didnt take a big chunk out of my wallet. It all comes down to what brands you like and money like i said before, just like cars, its what you grew up with, or love and/or trust. This Intel vs. AMD crap is getting old but this thread opened with a simple question, and all the fanboys came in ranting about how amds stomp intels ect. And Mikki had a very good point:

lol! Y'know what ticks me off? That I just read thru another Intel vs AMD thread....

lol!

SSXeon

Are you finally getting the Granite bay Setup you always wanted?

Well i dont have $230 for the GB but i have a Soltek i845G i got a few monthes back when the price was $90 Some other things i will post when UPS brings the parts to me But it will be 100% all new, except for the soundcard/monitor/mouse/keyboard and such. I just cant wait .... 3 more days and counting

SSXeon

 

[Bad Dude]

I would think that Intel Northwoods has the advantage over AMD XP b/c of the 512 cache. If I am wrong please explain why?
Thanks.