AMD vs. Nvidia - Prefs & Why

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tviceman

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Conversely, it might prove beneficial to us all if AMD was actually bought up by a company who actually has the resources to turn AMD into a formidable competitor. Not just with their hardware. They need a backbone sufficient to hold them up. Software and development are so far behind it isn't even funny at this point. A company like Samsung, or Hyundai maybe.
AMD as it sits right now, and as a result of many bad decisions by past CEO's, is hurting. This is not a reason to buy their products however.
If they enter into a dire enough financial situation, they will be bought up, or at least their IP will.

You know, looking back on the past seven years (or so) I'm really surprised Intel did not openly try to buy Nvidia or attempt a hostile takeover. Intel's graphics solutions have always sucked - both from a hardware and software perspective. The software side has improved, but they generally still have the worst graphics solution available. Then again, Intel doesn't go around buying up companies in areas they suck in like Microsoft used to do, but still...
 

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Its pretty unfortunate that nvidia and intel have a LOT of bad blood between them. Between the lawsuit a couple of years ago (nvidia won 1.5 billion USD) and the public mudslinging, JHH would never do this unless nvidia really started to falter and needed it. JHH would also want to retain full control of the joint company, which he has stipulated when nvidia was given offers for buyout in prior years. That is basically a deal breaker. Basically no way this would happen with JHH at the helm. By all accounts he is a control freak and he has shown it with prior buyout offers. The execs at nvidia also basically hate intel, and have stated such.
 
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Homeles

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Intel should buy ATi.

Nvidia should buy AMD.

Problems solved:hmm:.
ATI was bought by AMD in 2006...
LOL, RS is probably the most knowledgeable and valued member of this forum.....To say he is biased and has an agenda show just how wrong you are...goodbye!
Aww, aren't you adorable. When your argument is that flawed, it's pretty hard not to say that there's not some confirmation bias involved.
 

Gordon Freemen

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So you avoid the question/issue entirely because you're answer didn't work. The game doesn't matter it's a question of driver support. You obviously don't want to admit that AMD had worse support. Whatever.
RAGE is a buggy game man everyone knows this and is not all "holy Drivers" that will fix everything like lots of people seem ti think rather it's John Carmack whom needed to fix his busted game engine and "megatextures" that's the issue bud.
 

Gordon Freemen

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nVidia.

I still feel like AMD needs to do a lot more to get me to consider jumping ship. I'm comfortable with getting nvidia cards and it would take a lot to get me to switch at this point. Having some mid range card that is x% better price/performance isn't enough. For one I don't usually buy mid range and secondly I'll happily pay the extra few bucks for something I am confident with. Just like the comparative value of the GTX 670 won't be enough to cause some big AMD fans to switch - they prefer their brand for their own reasons.
Brand loyalty is a foolish game.
 

Gordon Freemen

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When I read things like useless eye-candy or it's only fidelity additions -- what kind of gamer doesn't appreciate improvements in fidelity? I always could understand the performance hit and one can always turn it off if one desired but to nit-pick eye candy, hehe!
Many of us PC gamers place allot of value in high performance frame rates to me they are just as important if not a bit more than IQ. I know I made the switch to the PC almost exclusively for 60fps although Half life 2 absolutely blew me away on PC as compared to the Xbox graphically speaking cause when I seen it and played it on PC @ 60fps for the first time it was all over I then proceeded to permanently move "AFG" Away From Gamepad.
 

Gordon Freemen

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To each his own, right? Some people like IQ, some like 200fps. So both things are valid.
200fps is ridiculous and a bit unnecessary but over 60fps mins are more what I mean when talking about high performance framerates. LOL whom is getting 200fps in any somewhat modern graphical game today what that's just a dumb statement are you gaming at 640x480 to get that LOL.
 

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Many of us PC gamers place allot of value in high performance frame rates to me they are just as important if not a bit more than IQ. I know I made the switch to the PC almost exclusively for 60fps although Half life 2 absolutely blew me away on PC as compared to the Xbox graphically speaking cause when I seen it and played it on PC @ 60fps for the first time it was all over I then proceeded to permanently move "AFG" Away From Gamepad.

It's great for the guys to turn them off or down-- you can have more frames if one desires. No one is forcing ultra quality, features or improved immersion -- they're offering choice. With flexibility and choice many gamers can decide what best fits their needs, subjective tastes and tolerances.
 

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200fps is ridiculous and a bit unnecessary but over 60fps mins are more what I mean when talking about high performance framerates. LOL whom is getting 200fps in any somewhat modern graphical game today what that's just a dumb statement are you gaming at 640x480 to get that LOL.

It was a general example. Tone it down a notch, will you?
 

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Surprise yet another red vs green thread which turned into the usual spat with drivers, physix, Nvidia sponsored titles shenanigans and so on.

Personally I'm avoiding Nvidia due to their faulty chips, 'bumpgate'. That cost me one 8800GT, my brother one 8800GT and various people I know / fixed PCs for a rather large number of 8400Ms, 8600Ms and an nForce 7150 too. Which atm means I've to stick to AMD who do seem to have a better record for reliability. But in the future I may end up with some iGPU from AMD or Intel. Don't really want to make Intel any more powerful, but the way Intel handled stuff like the SATA3 bug or the AES256 bug in their SSDs with SandForce was on a totally different level than a certain company with a green banner.

I actually believe that the amount of damage caused by bumpgate to be almost similar to 'Capacitor Plague' and there's no way the $250 million which Nvidia set aside for 'Nvidia Plague' was ever going to cover the true cost. But then they had no intention of ever paying for that true cost.

What I found hardest about 'Nvidia Plague' was the easy time they got in most of the tech websites and forums. In forums part of the answer may have been that by the time most 8800GTs for instance went bad, most of the major opinion formers / serious posters had long ago upgraded. Not many enthusiast on video card forums keep their cards for a few years.

But I think there was more to the light touch with which NV were treated over shipping millions of failing parts: there are a lot of NV fans in the original meaning of the word 'fan': I guess that's partially due to that old 'something which costs more must be better' and partially due successful marketing (although I wonder which sane company wants Apple level of devotees aka zealots). It's almost as if any thing negative about NV gets treated differently than something negative about say AMD. Or at leasts that's how it seems.
 
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Gordon Freemen

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It's great for the guys to turn them off or down-- you can have more frames if one desires. No one is forcing ultra quality, features or improved immersion -- they're offering choice. With flexibility and choice many gamers can decide what best fits their needs, subjective tastes and tolerances.
Ya some people don't mind watching a choppy gameplay or even a slide show me I think smooth animation should be a first concern as the base because to me the level of eyecandy is only as good as how well/smooth it's animating the eyecandy. In short framerates are a first priority then when that's in check it's time to pour on as much eycandy as you can until the framerates drop to much then take away just a bit of eyecandy for the best balance of performance/eyecandy IMHO.
 

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Ya some people don't mind watching a choppy gameplay or even a slide show me I think smooth animation should be a first concern as the base because to me the level of eyecandy is only as good as how well/smooth it's animating the eyecandy. In short framerates are a first priority then when that's in check it's time to pour on as much eycandy as you can until the framerates drop to much then take away just a bit of eyecandy for the best balance of performance/eyecandy IMHO.

Smooth is subjective to each individual.
 

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I've gone both ways, but 70% of my cards have been AMD.

I feel single GPU drivers are strong on both sides.

I feel SLI drivers often work a smudge better than Crossfire drivers, but again, based on my own experience only.

I like CCC better than Nvidias

I honestly don't have a true preference, but AMD usually gets a look at first for me over Nvidia.
 

njdevilsfan87

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AMD is better for value, and Nvidia is better for maximum performance. Driver issues aside, which I've never had using either company, this has been the case since the HD 3800s and 8800s.

Value : HD 3850, HD 4850, HD 5850, HD 6950, HD 7850
Performance : 9800GTX, GTX 280, GTX 480, GTX 580, GTX 680

That's not to say AMD doesn't have cards that are performance (5870, 6970, 7970) or Nvidia doesn't have cards that are value (GTX 460, GTX 560) but this is how I've seen AMD vs Nvidia for a while now.
 
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