Isnt that the way its supposed to work in any business enterprise? Whoever writes and owns the code calls the shots. As a shareholder I would be pissed if the company I invested in was squandering its resources and man-hours writing code that could be shared with its main competitor.http://hexus.net/tech/news/graphics/20991-amd-nvidia-batman-arkham-asylum-aa-fiasco-telling-truth/
Originally Posted by Richard Huddy
AMD received an email dated Sept 29th at 5:22pm from Mr. Lee Singleton General Manager at Eidos Game Studios who stated that Eidos legal department is preventing Eidos from allowing ATI cards to run in-game antialiasing in Batman Arkham Asylum due to NVIDIA IP ownership issues over the antialiasing code, and that they are not permitted to remove the vendor ID filter.
Emphasis mine.
AMD could have offered better tessellation capabilities, but why defend the overexaggerated tessellation in Crysis 2?
It's not as if it only hurts AMD, Nvidia cards had also run it better with less tessellation
How about AMD offering more robust tessellation instead of offering that the 5XXX series was good enough and balanced.
AMD actually has the better tessellation now, although Nvidia's really close.AMD could have offered better tessellation capabilities, but why defend the overexaggerated tessellation in Crysis 2?
It's not as if it only hurts AMD, Nvidia cards had also run it better with less tessellation
AMD actually has the better tessellation now, although Nvidia's really close.
Right but he says he intends to keep this card for 3 years and not upgrade. In that case think about BF3 expansions, all the upcoming Dirt games on Ego engine, Crysis 3, and newer games with tessellation. GTX670 will mop the floor with HD7850 in those types of games.
In Crysis 2, GTX670 is 69% faster than an HD7850 at 4xMSAA 1080P. In Batman AC, GTX670 is 66% faster with 8AA. That's remarkable. We can sit here and argue that those games are "NV-biased" which is a moot point since there most likely will be more Batman games, more Crysis games and more games in the future with tessellation.
Now take a look at world's first MMO with tessellation (as far as I am aware).
Unless you think tessellation is a fad, things are only going to get worse for 7850 in 12 months. No amount of overclocking will help since GCN tessellation units are 1 generation behind Kepler. My prediction is when Crysis 3 ships next year, HD7850 will fall flat on its face.
From my understanding, Eidos made the decision. nVidia clearly has offered that they don't own the property. These are very semantic arguments and much more clarity is needed here.
A beta test is hardly a good indicator of card performance on any metric. In that particular case, it looks like there is something that is quite literally broken with how the game handles AMD cards. As it's a beta, that's not too surprising. There isn't a single released DX11 game out there that behaves like that.From another thread:
I'm going to read through that entire thread. I believe that there's decent discussion there as well.
From another thread:
I'm going to read through that entire thread. I believe that there's decent discussion there as well.
You can overclock the 670 as well. Kind of.The post you quoted misses the mark entirely because what makes the 7850 great is the huge overclocking headroom and good scaling, comparing it to an almost twice as expensive card without overclocking the 7850 is silly. And the Secret World bench only shows that this particular implementation works better on Nvidia hardware because other games implementing tessellation show very different results.
Of course Eidos made that decision, otherwise they would be infringing on Nvidia's IP. I'd say it's pretty clear.
Imo nvidia simply has a bigger better driver team. They tend to support new games faster, old cards for longer, have more features and add more custom extra features to games. Multi-gpu magnifies driver problems so Sli is more stable then Xfire. Nvidia also has the more reliable 3D solution. Mobile is significantly better with unified drivers and much better gpu switching.
Hardware wise both camps have their moments - 5870 for ati, 8800 for nvidia, etc - but software wise there is a clear winner.
I read his posts, and I don't agree with his reasoning. It's quite clear that he's biased and has an agenda, and many of his arguments are flawed.Homeles & Arzachel, if you read through RussianSensation's posts in that thread, he provides sound reasoning and examples that substantiate his position rather well. It's worth reading.
6970 was AMD's top dog and hence it had to compete with 580,though considering the price it should be 570.
I was talking about not leaving AA open for AMD cards at all. They locked it out because it didn't work and AMD didn't want to make it work. Better to just prevent it than to try to hack it in and do it wrong.
Homeles & Arzachel, if you read through RussianSensation's posts in that thread, he provides sound reasoning and examples that substantiate his position rather well. It's worth reading.
Only thing I want to add, is this is false. The code worked on AMD and someone smart shared a little trick before the GOTY edition came out:
If you used Radeon Pro tools, you could spoof an nVidia ID and magically the AA worked like charm.
Heaven only uses factor 16 iirc. If you go higher, Nvidia clearly pulls ahead.
Metro makes use of compute for DOF and SSAO. I believe that is the reason why AMD is in front, not tessellation.
I read his posts, and I don't agree with his reasoning. It's quite clear that he's biased and has an agenda, and many of his arguments are flawed.