AMD will have lower priced X2's

[Zebo]

Someone explain to me term "waterfall effect"

AMD defended its stance by stating that AMD would eventually have lower priced Athlon X2 processors via the waterfall effect in the future, and by pointing out a fundamental problem with Intel's strategy: price overlap. The price overlap means that Intel has both dual and single core processors at similar price points, so how can Intel effectively market dual core as the "latest and best" when it has higher priced single core products all over the product line as well?

Whole read is pretty good here:
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=147

 

[ssvegeta1010]

I always thought 'waterfall effect' just meant that prices would fall as higher performance products are realeased. (i.e. 3000+/3200+/3500+ getting less expensive as the FX-55 is released.)

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: ssvegeta1010
I always thought 'waterfall effect' just meant that prices would fall as higher performance products are realeased. (i.e. 3000+/3200+/3500+ getting less expensive as the FX-55 is released.)

Sounds right to me. It's just the fact that when AMD releases better things, the X2 drops in price.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Someone explain to me term "waterfall effect"

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They hope the massive amounts of cash collected from the first adopters will create a "Waterfall effect" sucking in the cash of those who would normally know better


On a serious note, I think they are testing the waters (pun intended). I think as soon as sales drop off?, prices will drop

 

[anarchyreigns]

It means that eventually they x2 technology will trickle down to their lower end processors such as the 3000+.

 

[Duvie]

Pretty much what I stated in another thread....Also may be why AMD has seemed to forgo a 4200+ single cor eat the moment...to avoid product confusion!!!

I still wonder how long this will take...I would have to wait another 4-6 months for the next 2 products to cycle in or for 3000+ to 3500+ to cycle out....

Edit: either way I will have one by fathers day if they are available or by my B-day in August for sure....

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

This also explains why the X2 is pre-order available from Monarch for June 19 instead of October 19, LOL. No single core 2600 part and no FX-57 means more production capacity for the X2. Also, wouldn't they speed bin failed X2's for lower end such as 200 dualcore eventually?

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: michaelpatrick33
This also explains why the X2 is pre-order available from Monarch for June 19 instead of October 19, LOL. No single core 2600 part and no FX-57 means more production capacity for the X2. Also, wouldn't they speed bin failed X2's for lower end such as 200 dualcore eventually?

See that's what I'm worried about in getting a lower clocked chip... some that just could'nt make 2.4 so they made them 2.0's... this whole dual core thing is new so you never know how they'll bin..how they'll clock.


I'm with duvie, by my birthday and 4400... these resellers are pissing me off though at above MSRP for an already expensive chip.:|

 

[ryanv12]

Yeah, I was hoping Monarch wouldn't charge so much for their X2 parts. I'll probably be ordering mine in late june/early july and I doubt the gouge charges will have dropped off by then. Sparco has em for only $10 over MSRP, but I was hoping to order from monarch with a motherboard, as I don't have a 939 system in which to update my bios. We'll just have to see!

 

[Duvie]

I haven't seen the monarch price yet...better go check it out...

I wouldn't mind buying from sparco for 10 dollar premium....

 

[imported_stmok]

The "waterfall effect"...Hmmm.

This is the way I see it.
(1) AMD does NOT currently have the production capacity to meet demand for dual-core. (This is being addressed with a new Fab that is under construction).
(2) AMD prices the CPUs this high to starve off demand until they are ready.
(3) They are priced in a distinct segment to avoid confusion. (ie : If you want dual core now, be prepared to pay)
(4) As production ramps up, more X2s can be put into the market. (Lower speed ones, etc)
(5) This, as a result is no different from when the A64 was released. It started off expensive at first, but gradually trickled down in price and speed grades as production increased.

I think (5) is the waterfall effect.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: stmok
The "waterfall effect"...Hmmm.

This is the way I see it.
(1) AMD does NOT currently have the production capacity to meet demand for dual-core. (This is being addressed with a new Fab that is under construction).
(2) AMD prices the CPUs this high to starve off demand until they are ready.
(3) They are priced in a distinct segment to avoid confusion. (ie : If you want dual core now, be prepared to pay)
(4) As production ramps up, more X2s can be put into the market. (Lower speed ones, etc)
(5) This, as a result is no different from when the A64 was released. It started off expensive at first, but gradually trickled down in price and speed grades as production increased.

I think (5) is the waterfall effect.

Good call.

 

[Jeff7181]

Waterfall effect... new features etc. are introduced in the top of the line models and eventually trickle down to the low end models.

*EDIT* Expect to see 1.8 and 2.0 GHz dual cores eventually.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Waterfall effect... new features etc. are introduced in the top of the line models and eventually trickle down to the low end models.

*EDIT* Expect to see 1.8 and 2.0 GHz dual cores eventually.

That would be nice to counteract the nice priving of the 820 and 830...regardless of its sh^tty performance...

 

[GRIdpOOL]

I am going to buy one. I can't afford > $400 for one. I will coax AMD to give me one. I would love any dual core A64 right now.

 

[Pabster]

Seems kind of funny to see people whining about the price when these same people told us all the money they were making. So big deal. Grin and bear it.

I routinely drop a large premium for the latest and greatest and I could care less.

One of my fondest memories was a Palomino core chip that was $399 I believe... when I could have gotten it at least $100 cheaper a week later from another vendor.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Pabster
Seems kind of funny to see people whining about the price when these same people told us all the money they were making. So big deal. Grin and bear it.

I routinely drop a large premium for the latest and greatest and I could care less.

One of my fondest memories was a Palomino core chip that was $399 I believe... when I could have gotten it at least $100 cheaper a week later from another vendor.

Just because I make a bit if money doesn't mean I want to throw it away if I dont have too....I am still as cheap as they come if you look at my system.....That way I have money left to do other importnat things with the family.....The less I spend keeps my wife from getting to match the same level with her hobby (shopping).......

I routinely drop a large premium for the latest and greatest and I could care less.

Well we are not speaking for your intelligence!!!


I once in 1996 paid 600 dollars for a P-pro 200 and 400 dollars for an Asus dual cpu mobo ....bought 400 dollar SCSI 2.1gb drive and 128mb (4x32mb) of ram back when it was like
close to 3-4 bucs per MB...not like now when it is like 25 cents or less per MB....

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Duvie
Just because I make a bit if money doesn't mean I want to throw it away if I dont have too....I am still as cheap as they come if you look at my system.....That way I have money left to do other importnat things with the family.....The less I spend keeps my wife from getting to match the same level with her hobby (shopping).......

Fair enough, the women do tend to get a bit carried away. That's why I have a few separate checking accounts

Well we are not speaking for your intelligence!!!


I once in 1996 paid 600 dollars for a P-pro 200 and 400 dollars for an Asus dual cpu mobo ....bought 400 dollar SCSI 2.1gb drive and 128mb (4x32mb) of ram back when it was like
close to 3-4 bucs per MB...not like now when it is like 25 cents or less per MB....

It is always funny to look back and see how expensive things were... And kind of painful at the same time when you realize how much money was spent on "junk" ...

 

[Conky]

Buying CPU's for sport is a good way to keep AMD and Intel knee-deep in cash.

I refuse to buy a new CPU until I can see a clearly better solution for under $200.

My aged Northwood HT P4 3.06 running much faster(and unbelievably cool) at default voltage leads me to believe that I am better off waiting. Intel's latest offerings are too hot-running. AMD's offerings are hard to o/c without issue and require a new motherboard... and aren't even close to cheap either. :shocked:

Which brings me to another question.... how often do some of you guys change motherboards? I look at the videocard forum and they act like everybody should have a PCI-E videocard... Umm, the rest of my system is running very fine... why should I have to replace a motherboard every time I replace a cpu/videocard/fillintheblank?

Guess I am just getting lazy when I don't wanna rip the guts out of my system every other month or so, lol.

 

[RichUK]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
Buying CPU's for sport is a good way to keep AMD and Intel knee-deep in cash.

I refuse to buy a new CPU until I can see a clearly better solution for under $200.

My aged Northwood HT P4 3.06 running much faster(and unbelievably cool) at default voltage leads me to believe that I am better off waiting. Intel's latest offerings are too hot-running. AMD's offerings are hard to o/c without issue and require a new motherboard... and aren't even close to cheap either. :shocked:

Which brings me to another question.... how often do some of you guys change motherboards? I look at the videocard forum and they act like everybody should have a PCI-E videocard... Umm, the rest of my system is running very fine... why should I have to replace a motherboard every time I replace a cpu/videocard/fillintheblank?

Guess I am just getting lazy when I don't wanna rip the guts out of my system every other month or so, lol.

you CrazyFool .. ... Anyways i agree

 

[ProviaFan]

I'm wanting to go from an Abit NF7-S v2 with an Athlon XP 1700+ to some mainboard and an X2 4400+... is that ok with the upgrade police?

<-- doesn't upgrade much, if that wasn't obvious

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

sure its okay to upgrade ur rig, if u have the money buy X2, if u want best bang for the buck....Venice 3200+, that will drop in price after X2 enter the market.

 

[Leper Messiah]

Its a compulsion. Sometimes I think its worse than drugs, the need to upgrade, to have the greatest and the latest. Oh well. I really need to get that PCI-E board. 9800 is getting a little slow...

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

fukcing A, 98pro is good for 80% of the games still but it cant deal with FPS + high resolutions + eye candy. But....theres no need for SLI though, i remember when the upgrade freaks were freaking out bout SLI, today nobody wants a SLI rig, except for some enthusiasts. I call them enthusiasts becuz they dont like to be called crazy fools
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[imported_Starman]

Am I the only one who doesn't expect the X2 to drop in price anytime soon? This is not a mass market CPU (yet) so "economies of scale" do not apply. It may help lower the cost of some other A64s, but only demand for X2 will drive the prices down. Aside from hard core early-adopters, which are a small segment of the population, most gamers won't see the need to buy an X2 which costs twice as much as some of the fastes single cores.