AMD Wins "Best CPU Manufacturer Award"

[clarkey01]

dmens its natural that you'd called duvie an idiot due to his putting down of Prescott (I get angry too when people tell me my V.B code is crap!), but can you really stand by Prescott and say its been a success (at leasst in the world of technical innovations?). Yes finically it has been a success, but any chip with a marketing budget like Intel and brand acceptance like with Intel is always going to win.


Prescott Innovations

( You know way better then me, duvie and the rest, so you fill this in)



K8 Innovations

On die memory controller (Not the first time its been used but a good move none the less)

X86-64

Hyper transport

NX disable

Dual core compatible with 939,940 ( Not really an innovation but smart thinking)

K8 designed to go dual core from the start




Funny enough, Intel now has some of the above and is already working on having an on die memory controller, yep I heard of a fab worker in 12 fab in Ireland, nice chap.

 

[clarkey01]

Originally posted by: dmens
you're an idiot

If he's an idiot then the rest of us want to be thrown of these boards.

He's a great contributor to the forums, knows his stuff and is a big fan of HT, its not like he?s anti Intel, far from it. His knowledge base is impressive and we respect him a lot.

Not kissing his ass, but I feel that what I just said is felt by most members who rely on duvie for alot of help and opinions.

I know what your going to say, prescott was ment to scale, not to be a high IPC design with loads of goodies, but even with the purpose to scale, it kinda flopped( Not that it affected Intels bottom line).

And Intel must be sure there?s good in it, if smithfield, cedamill, and presler are all decedents of it .

 

[dmens]

yeah that one-liner was premature. sorry.

prescott had plenty of innovations... some I cannot discuss (prototype for future platform features), but em64t was on prescott from the very start (actually, it was already on other procs before that too). as was the nx disable bit. it also had circuit innovations such as lvs and ultra-dense cache.

so yeah, prescott is behind in a lot of benches, but it can still compete.

 

[fbrdphreak]

so yeah, prescott is behind in a lot of benches, but it can still compete.

I don't think anyone will dispute that. And now that you've apologized for wearing your ass for a hat we can all move on to live in AMD-Intel harmony

 

[clarkey01]

dmens:lips: lol

Thanks for saying sorry, I just didnt want you to get flamed.

Yeah you have to wonder what all those tarnnys are there for, I spose Yamhill (EMT 64) and the massive cache make much of that up, but there's "Other" stuff too I guess you cant talk about .

 

[clarkey01]

dmens, whats the attitude to AMD like over in the fabs ( I take you work on lithograph or something to do with fabbin of the chip). Do you ever talk about or diss AMD ? Where are you based if you dont mind me asking ?

 

[clarkey01]

You get unlocked chips too ? the "guy" I speak to who works in the 12 fab got handed ES northwoods unlocked and has one at 4 Ghz minus a bump in voltage.

 

[Yanagi]

IS that fab 12 located in DUblin Ireland? If so, I think I work and live like 10 minutes from it :S

 

[Duvie]

I dont think that is fab 12...I think it is higher in the number order...fab 20+ I think...

Other then SSE3 and switching to the 90nm process the prescott did not bring much new to the table. I dont really care what is there and disabled. If we the consumers cannot use it then it doesn't count, period....In fact the 90nm did not facilitate the type of reductions in heat and power as the northwood did from the willamette. Thus the lengthening of the pipe to allow higher ramp up was a literal waste. I truly believe that a northwood could have made it to 3.6ghz anyways. Therefore with the cancelling of the prescott 4ghz chip we see a process jump for what??? 200-400mhz??? That has to be the lamest jump in sometime.

What did the Xeon do all this time?? Jumped to 800fsb and used the nocona (prescott like core) and added EMT64 late. Again pretty lacluster from the 533fsb prestonia chips....Opterons were innovative....


If amd was not already planning dual core ahead of Intel I would think you would have a shot at the award for next year, but the first example again makes "wheres the innovation" come to mind. Two prescott core cores (nothing new) placed together and then starve them by making them share the bus. That shows such a lack in foresight, and that this was merely a rush to market to gain some marketing milestone. Hats off they got or are getting there first for the majority of users. Eventhough AMDs leap is not much as well since it is similar to the opteron and A64 cores, but it does show foresight in their design was right at this time.


I agree they (AMD) can design chips, and have great engineers...Unfortunatley they have a bunch of morons driving the train, and when it comes to selling chips (whatever they be) they will be biatch-slapped by Intel repeatedly...

 

[fbrdphreak]

I agree they (AMD) can design chips, and have great engineers...Unfortunatley they have a bunch of morons driving the train, and when it comes to selling chips (whatever they be) they will be biatch-slapped by Intel repeatedly...

Hahahahahahahahahaha

 

[TuxDave]

Would you prefer a CPU Manufactoring Award to only be given to Intel processors just because Intel helping to host it? You win some and you lose some.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I agree they (AMD) can design chips, and have great engineers...Unfortunatley they have a bunch of morons driving the train, and when it comes to selling chips (whatever they be) they will be biatch-slapped by Intel repeatedly...

Actually AMD's computing division is having their best sales ever, so they are making some headway there, it is the flash division that is bleeding them dry. Couple good threads in GH on AMD's latest finacial reports. I do agree they aren't likely to gain and hold substantial market share unless they learn to market and spend big on it.

 

[Lithan]

Actually designing a toaster is pretty simple. I mean it's basically a couple heating elements in a box.

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: TuxDave
Would you prefer a CPU Manufactoring Award to only be given to Intel processors just because Intel helping to host it? You win some and you lose some.

See definition of irony

 

[Fike]

both these guys are competing in a flat market that has little real growth potential. PC chips have been commoditized. Great for us! Terrible for Intel and AMD. In this regard, Intel has the advantage because it owns the high end server space where the margins are high. If AMD and Intel are still doing PC processors as their primary business in 5 years, they will be significantly dimiinished in their stature and prestige.

Thank god AMD came along to drive prices down and performance up.

Intel and AMD are not focusing their best talent on a stagnant industry like PC processors. that is why intel has been trying to get into display technologies and cell phone chips. Consumer electronics are hot in the semiconductor industry. That is what is driving the real innovation and miniaturization in cameras, phones, PDAs, and MP3 players.

just my $0.02

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I think you are right Fike, those are bigger growth areas for many markets. AMD is starting to target some of those areas too, they have the Geode and Alchemy lines. I also think PC sales should see significant growth in China over the next 5yrs though, and that should be a big market as their economy continues to boom.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

I agree they (AMD) can design chips, and have great engineers...Unfortunatley they have a bunch of morons driving the train, and when it comes to selling chips (whatever they be) they will be biatch-slapped by Intel repeatedly...

Actually AMD's computing division is having their best sales ever, so they are making some headway there, it is the flash division that is bleeding them dry. Couple good threads in GH on AMD's latest finacial reports. I do agree they aren't likely to gain and hold substantial market share unless they learn to market and spend big on it.

This is what I am saying...It doesn't matter how good the product is, if ppl dont know about it they wont buy it. They know the "blue men"......We here at AT and other forums can only do so much word of mouth advertising for them....

Now that I think about it I dont feel bad I buy their cheap chips and oc them....Heck the way I see it they owe me and many around here a bunch of money anyways for spreading the word to others to buy AMD chips....I wonder if I can sue for my back wages (commisions)?????

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak

Originally posted by: TuxDave
Would you prefer a CPU Manufactoring Award to only be given to Intel processors just because Intel helping to host it? You win some and you lose some.

See definition of irony

It's only ironic to you because you expected all the awards to be given to Intel processors. As for me, if you want an award to mean anything, you realize that technical achievements from any company will be rewarded.

 

[LithographWoker]

Shame on Intel

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: Duvie
I dont think that is fab 12...I think it is higher in the number order...fab 20+ I think...

Other then SSE3 and switching to the 90nm process the prescott did not bring much new to the table. I dont really care what is there and disabled. If we the consumers cannot use it then it doesn't count, period....In fact the 90nm did not facilitate the type of reductions in heat and power as the northwood did from the willamette. Thus the lengthening of the pipe to allow higher ramp up was a literal waste. I truly believe that a northwood could have made it to 3.6ghz anyways. Therefore with the cancelling of the prescott 4ghz chip we see a process jump for what??? 200-400mhz??? That has to be the lamest jump in sometime.

What did the Xeon do all this time?? Jumped to 800fsb and used the nocona (prescott like core) and added EMT64 late. Again pretty lacluster from the 533fsb prestonia chips....Opterons were innovative....


If amd was not already planning dual core ahead of Intel I would think you would have a shot at the award for next year, but the first example again makes "wheres the innovation" come to mind. Two prescott core cores (nothing new) placed together and then starve them by making them share the bus. That shows such a lack in foresight, and that this was merely a rush to market to gain some marketing milestone. Hats off they got or are getting there first for the majority of users. Eventhough AMDs leap is not much as well since it is similar to the opteron and A64 cores, but it does show foresight in their design was right at this time.


I agree they (AMD) can design chips, and have great engineers...Unfortunatley they have a bunch of morons driving the train, and when it comes to selling chips (whatever they be) they will be biatch-slapped by Intel repeatedly...

Marketing and advertising a new brand of processor to people who have been condition by "Intel Inside" for almost a decade is very difficult. If you tell the average person that an AMD processor would serve their needs better than an Intel one they would most likely respond with "who?" Fighting the 800lb gorilla is not easy and just because you and me are nerds, doesn't mean the rest of the world is.

 

[apairoflegsanyone]

Originally posted by: Yanagi
IS that fab 12 located in DUblin Ireland? If so, I think I work and live like 10 minutes from it :S

Fab 12 is located in chandler,Arizona. It is going to be a 300mm fab. Later on, fab22 will likely recieve the same treatment. Fab12 will be using 45nm transistors I believe.

 

[McArra]

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Funny news!

 

[apairoflegsanyone]

Am I the only person who doesn't care?? I think intel and amd make good chips and I will end it like that.
Edit: Hopefully, a honest with no insults or attack will come from these types of thread but then again, I'm talking out of my ass.

P.S I remember a conversation my dad told me once that he read in a electronic magazine in the 80's(don't know exactly) basically, some one was able to turn a chip into a supercomputer. If that is indeed the case, there is a lot of potential in these chips.

 

[EglsFly]

Intel pwned!

 

[ty1er]

priceless!