AMD X399 ！！！！！

[DrMrLordX]

$999 is the logical price for the 16c chip. Basically twice what the 1800x costs.

 

[tamz_msc]

$999 is the logical price for the 16c chip. Basically twice what the 1800x costs.

But people on the other camp tell me not to expect linearity in price vs performance! /s

Joking aside, I wish for a lower clocked 16C with lower TDP just like the 1700.

 

[DrMrLordX]

A 16c chip for less than $999? Probably not, but it's a fun idea.

 

[Topweasel]

A 16c chip for less than $999? Probably not, but it's a fun idea.

I would have said the same thing till the Intel SL-X announcement. Launching those server line CPU's and drastic pricing changes Intel is planning should re-establish pricing expectations. If AMD wants to really be disruptive, the 16c chip can't be much more than 1k.

 

[lixlax]

A 16c chip for less than $999? Probably not, but it's a fun idea.

The top chip will probably end up 999-1199USD. Just my quess.

 

[itsmydamnation]

I think it will depend on if this new stepping can bring anymore top end mhz. Even just a couple of 100. If they can get a 2-4 core xrf clock upto 4.3 that would help a lot in the benchmark war and help justify a 1200 price. If they get.no more.mhz I think 1000usd is likely.

 

[T1beriu]

X399 Chipset is the same with X370, said AMD.

Source.

On demand, AMD said the X399 is identical to the X370 chipset of the Ryzen processors for the AM4 platform. The term was deliberately chosen differently so that buyers realized that Ryzen Threadripper is a different platform.

 

[tamz_msc]

X399 Chipset is the same with X370, said AMD.

Source.

When Ian said 60 + 4, I suspected it might be so.

 

[Topweasel]

Makes sense I mean I could see them moving a few more lanes over for more Sata or USB3.1 connections. But really on that end it's already pretty strong. So really everything else you can imagine can just get their own chips with their own PCIe connection to the CPU. 10GBe, own PCIe, advanced audio, its own connection. 5 NVMe drives, their own connections.

 

[dnavas]

Makes sense I mean I could see them moving a few more lanes over for more Sata or USB3.1 connections. But really on that end it's already pretty strong. So really everything else you can imagine can just get their own chips with their own PCIe connection to the CPU. 10GBe, own PCIe, advanced audio, its own connection. 5 NVMe drives, their own connections.

I think it makes sense from a cost-savings point of view, but for a real workstation, 10gbe should be on the motherboard where it doesn't cost $100+, as should a few nvme slots, and if you're really going to have half an empty chip and half your socket unused, wouldn't it make more sense to put your X370 plus dual 10gbe plus a ton of other interesting connectivity onto the CPU MCM and use all those extra pins to carry the signals out? [While more SATA isn't necessarily useful for most workstations, a few more might be helpful to those that want to build a RAID chassis. But then, I'd think it'd be better to have that on the bog-standard X370 attached to a cheaper CPU solution. The other obvious missing piece is TB, and that's going to remain a non-motherboard item :} ]. High-end audio I'd leave as a separate card. No reason to expect motherboard makers to start properly shielding that stuff now :^/

edit: my bad for misunderstanding your point!

 

[T1beriu]

I don't think you understood what he was trying to say. He doesn't mean add-in cards. He means direct connections to the CPU, not going through the southbridge, which would be silly because it only has only x4 going to the CPU. You're both saying the same thing.

I don't know why he had to point it out though. It was pretty evident. It's already happening on AM4.

 

[Topweasel]

I don't think you understood what he was trying to say. He doesn't mean add-in cards. He means direct connections to the CPU, not going through the southbridge, which would be silly because it only has 4x going to the CPU. You're both saying the same thing.

I don't know why he had to point it out though. It was pretty evident. It's already happening on AM4.

Well because we are a bit PCIe strapped on AM4. On one hand getting more expansion and capabilities from the Southbridge would have been interesting. But personally getting 90% of the PCIe connections directly to the CPU it will allow more flexibility in design options on the boards. It will also increase board costs, but these aren't supposed to be cheap either.

 

[fleshconsumed]

I may have missed it, but do we know if x399 will support UDIMM (unbuffered) ECC RAM? I presume they'll support RDIMM (Registered) ECC RAM, what about unbuffered UDIMM's?

 

[Topweasel]

I may have missed it, but do we know if x399 will support UDIMM (unbuffered) ECC RAM? I presume they'll support RDIMM (Registered) ECC RAM, what about unbuffered UDIMM's?

Other way around won't it be? As far as EPYC it should work with both. But registered ECC requires extra circuitry, Unbuffered doesn't. So I would assume Unbuffered will work fine in TR, while registered will be up to the Mobo manufacturers and probably will be more of an OEM and workstation board option.

 

[krumme]

AT: Asrock demo x399
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11505/asrock-demos-x399-threadripper-motherboards

 

[itsmydamnation]

AT: Asrock demo x399
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11505/asrock-demos-x399-threadripper-motherboards

is it just me or do thing not look square in that picture.....lol

 

[krumme]

is it just me or do thing not look square in that picture.....lol

It comes standard with keystone correction.

 

[moonbogg]

I bet the lower tier 16 core chip comes in at the rumored $850 and just destroys the market. Absolutely wrecking it to the ground.

 

[krumme]

I bet the lower tier 16 core chip comes in at the rumored $850 and just destroys the market. Absolutely wrecking it to the ground.

Yeaa thats what we want. 12c low tier for 450. 1700 for 199usd. 1600 for 120usd. 1800x for 280.
4c is for notebooks and low end.
Do anyone think amd new apu that is 240mm2 or so can retail for more than 250?
The desktop counterparts is way overpriced vs production cost. Both amd and ofc Intel. Now when bd crap is hopefully soon off this planet things can start to move after 10 years standstill.

 

[Veradun]

Yeaa thats what we want. 12c low tier for 450. 1700 for 199usd. 1600 for 120usd. 1800x for 280.
4c is for notebooks and low end.
Do anyone think amd new apu that is 240mm2 or so can retail for more than 250?

My best guess is it will sit right where R5 4c/8t currently are (sub-200$)

 

[krumme]

My best guess is it will sit right where R5 4c/8t currently are (sub-200$)

Yes. Thats what i guess too. But a zen is 193mm2 so a good deal cheaper to make.
It seems to me we could use a third x86 player...or just apple to start a change to arms

 

[Veradun]

Yes. Thats what i guess too. But a zen is 193mm2 so a good deal cheaper to make.
It seems to me we could use a third x86 player...or just apple to start a change to arms

Well, having a GPU on die lets you do a lot of binning thus rising yelds a lot in respect to a CPU only design.

 

[krumme]

Well, having a GPU on die lets you do a lot of binning thus rising yelds a lot in respect to a CPU only design.

Yes but we have 8->6->4 on 193mm2 and rumors about 80% presumable 8c working. I think its cheaper than the 240mm2 even if you on half of the mm2 can bin far better.

Now nobody prices their product based on cost unless they are forced too and i think its just a matter if suply/demand setting price.

 

[Veradun]

Yes but we have 8->6->4 on 193mm2 and rumors about 80% presumable 8c working. I think its cheaper than the 240mm2 even if you on half of the mm2 can bin far better.

Now nobody prices their product based on cost unless they are forced too and i think its just a matter if suply/demand setting price.

Yep, this kind of product is definitely priced to fit a demand model, so who cares :>

I also think their priority with APUs should be to sell them to through OEM designs frist and foremost, and you never sell at the channel price point to them, not even close, so who cares again :>

 

[Ajay]

Well, having a GPU on die lets you do a lot of binning thus rising yelds a lot in respect to a CPU only design.

I don't think so. If there is an error in the GPU, AMD could sell RR as an Athlon (or whatever they call it) are lower model if AMD designed that in. If there is a CPU error, then that die may be scrap. With a larger die, there are going to be more errors (http://www.lithoguru.com/scientist/CHE323/Lecture32.pdf - slide 5). In any case, as mentioned, this APU will have to be priced for the market.