I'll bet probably because it's not working 100% yet. Otherwise, why not a Jan 2017 release?
I'll bet probably because it's not working 100% yet. Otherwise, why not a Jan 2017 release?It's the most interesting feature, and they couldn't demo it?
Why not run the bench with and without it? They could do it without revealing clock speeds if that's what they want kept secret.
If I have Turbo disabled, is XFR also disabled?Could be that within that TDP that clock is the max for all threads so turbo would not add anything,so it's more dramatic to show the test without turbo and let peoples imaginations run wild.
I hope it's working by now with a 1Q release set.I'll bet probably because it's not working 100% yet. Otherwise, why not a Jan 2017 release?
Yes, they did. All systems were "identical except CPU and mobo". No dGPUs as already stated, CPU/APU/IGP only... but I thought the 6900K didn't have IGP? Otherwise, not sure how it went down.I didn't watch the stream. They compared twitch streaming on Dota2 @1080p on a skylake vs ryzen? What was the GPU? How taxed were the CPUs during this? Were they using comparable motherboards/memory types? Did they actually bring up anything at all about this?
Could be that within that TDP that clock is the max for all threads so turbo would not add anything,so it's more dramatic to show the test without turbo and let peoples imaginations run wild.
Yes, they did. All systems were "identical except CPU and mobo". No dGPUs as already stated, CPU/APU/IGP only... but I thought the 6900K didn't have IGP? Otherwise, not sure how it went down.
People are reading too much into that comparison. It wasn't a benchmark. It was more of a why 8c/16t is advantageous demo. It lets you basically software encode high bitrate Dota 2 stream without choking. It just showed that Ryzen handles it like a champ, no numbers were discussed.I didn't watch the stream. They compared twitch streaming on Dota2 @1080p on a skylake vs ryzen? What was the GPU? How taxed were the CPUs during this? Were they using comparable motherboards/memory types? Did they actually bring up anything at all about this?
People are reading too much into that comparison. It wasn't a benchmark. It was more of a why 8c/16t is advantageous demo. It lets you basically software encode high bitrate Dota 2 stream without choking. It just showed that Ryzen handles it like a champ, no numbers were discussed.
And this is true. Yes you can use GPU or QuickSync encoding, but if you were to use software encoding (which produces better quality for a given bitrate).. with 8 cores you can do that too.
I don't know,do you? Will XFR even work for all cores/threads together or will it be individually for some of the cores?If I have Turbo disabled, is XFR also disabled?
That's the point 4 cores aren't enough for the given workload demonstrated. It wasn't an AMD vs Intel thing as much as an 8c vs 4c thing, and yes Ryzen can handle that too.Der? Couldn't you just restrict DOTA to 3 cores and let the 4th handle streaming then? What happens if DOTA releases a patch making it use 8 cores? How well does Ryzen stream Watchdogs 2 vs Skylake?
This seems like a pretty garbage press release, even from a tech perspective (which is traditionally garbage). At least there weren't any wood screws I guess?
They could also just use vsync or frame rate limit like in every other thing they showed instead of letting the game run at hundreds of FPS just so they can claim that it drops frames in the recording.Der? Couldn't you just restrict DOTA to 3 cores and let the 4th handle streaming then?
It's the most interesting feature, and they couldn't demo it?
Why not run the bench with and without it? They could do it without revealing clock speeds if that's what they want kept secret.
If I have Turbo disabled, is XFR also disabled?
It's the most interesting feature, and they couldn't demo it?
Why not run the bench with and without it? They could do it without revealing clock speeds if that's what they want kept secret.
I'll bet probably because it's not working 100% yet. Otherwise, why not a Jan 2017 release?
That's the point 4 cores aren't enough for the given workload demonstrated. It wasn't an AMD vs Intel thing as much as an 8c vs 4c thing, and yes Ryzen can handle that too.
No, sorry, that doesn't cut the mustard. When you're livestreaming your new product and you show 'your product' and a comparison against 'your only competitor's product(s)', you're doing an us vs them comparison. Especially disingenuous displaying 'new hotness' vs 'competitors slightly more expensive than ours!' 6700k vs 'competitors SUPER MORE EXPENSIVE THAN OURS but on par with ours' 6900k. Where was the comparison to random xeons? How about a nice x5650? Bet that'd twitchstream DOTA just fine.
EDIT: On that topic, where was the comparison to literally any quad-core AMD processor? Sorry, is the comparison only applicable if you're comparing it against your competitor? Or should we drop the pretense and just state they're trying to sell it as 'cheaper than skylake, as good as broadwell-e'?
No, sorry, that doesn't cut the mustard. When you're livestreaming your new product and you show 'your product' and a comparison against 'your only competitor's product(s)', you're doing an us vs them comparison. Especially disingenuous displaying 'new hotness' vs 'competitors slightly more expensive than ours!' 6700k vs 'competitors SUPER MORE EXPENSIVE THAN OURS but on par with ours' 6900k. Where was the comparison to random xeons? How about a nice x5650? Bet that'd twitchstream DOTA just fine.
EDIT: On that topic, where was the comparison to literally any quad-core AMD processor? Sorry, is the comparison only applicable if you're comparing it against your competitor? Or should we drop the pretense and just state they're trying to sell it as 'cheaper than skylake, as good as broadwell-e'?
People who stream DOTA2, generally don't buy 6900K or x5650 CPUs, so comparing to those is arguably misleading. Instead AMD choose a more relevant CPU in the form of the 6700K. To be honest an i5 or even i3 CPU would have been even more appropriate for this usage scenario, but then we are probably getting down into pricing territory where the 8 core Ryzen can't compete.
6900K (and x5650 for that matter) are perfectly relevant for Blender and Handbrake workloads on the other hand, hence it makes sense to compare to this chip here.
No point comparing to AMD processors. they are going for intel's market share.
I think you're getting worked up over nothing. It's a marketing demo.. of course they are going to show the advantage of 8 cores, and demonstrated why anyone might be interested in an 8 core CPU compared to the most common CPU everyone else have, a quad core.No, sorry, that doesn't cut the mustard. When you're livestreaming your new product and you show 'your product' and a comparison against 'your only competitor's product(s)', you're doing an us vs them comparison. Especially disingenuous displaying 'new hotness' vs 'competitors slightly more expensive than ours!' 6700k vs 'competitors SUPER MORE EXPENSIVE THAN OURS but on par with ours' 6900k. Where was the comparison to random xeons? How about a nice x5650? Bet that'd twitchstream DOTA just fine.
EDIT: On that topic, where was the comparison to literally any quad-core AMD processor? Sorry, is the comparison only applicable if you're comparing it against your competitor? Or should we drop the pretense and just state they're trying to sell it as 'cheaper than skylake, as good as broadwell-e'?
A x5650 can be had for $50 and is a popular upgrade for folks with aging hardware (gen1 i7's for instance)
I think you're getting worked up over nothing. It's a marketing demo.. of course they are going to show the advantage of 8 cores, and demonstrated why anyone might be interested in an 8 core CPU compared to the most common CPU everyone else have, a quad core.
I very much doubt the x5650 is a popular choice compared to your standard i3s and i5s (and even Celerons/Pentiums) in this area. It may very well be a good choice, but unless you have data to show otherwise, I would bet that only a tiny niche of DOTA2 players are actually using it.
Given that 8/4 FX CPUs are showing no improvement from the additional 4 integer cores vis-à-vis my 4 core/thread 2009 Lynnfield in that Blender test...EDIT: On that topic, where was the comparison to literally any quad-core AMD processor? Sorry, is the comparison only applicable if you're comparing it against your competitor? Or should we drop the pretense and just state they're trying to sell it as 'cheaper than skylake, as good as broadwell-e'?
4+ cores are a fringe market though. Have you looked at Steam hardware survey?I probably am. But why have a marketing demo about that of all things. We've had 8 core CPUs for ages. It's like apple showing off that the next iphone has a screen. Not just a screen, but a screen made of transparent glass!