AMD Zen - Key Dates and Information

[itsmydamnation]

And Xeon Phi got 6 DDR4 channels attached directly.
http://ark.intel.com/products/94033/Intel-Xeon-Phi-Processor-7210-16GB-1_30-GHz-64-core
It doesn't use the PCIe channels for memory access.

And when Xeon Phi is run as a PCI-e card like a Vega 10 does, how fast can it access data from MAIN Memory. Your shifting goal posts, because a Vega based APU ( like Raven Ridge) will also have direct access to the full SOC memory bandwidth. An APU like the presented Data center APU will have 100GB/s of memory access.

So what exactly was your point all along ?

 

[Glo.]

I think that is infinity fabric that connect the CCX, the NB, MC and SB. And in the APU will connect also CCX and GPU (along with cache/HBM2 controller)... i think that i ever read something on this topic: infinity fabric substitutes onion, garlic and HTT buses: an high bandwidth, low latency (like onion and garlic) and coherent (like HTT) bus...

https://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=11260758#post11260758
Slides about Infinity Fabric. CPU+GPU connected with it, and with addition of HBM2 will be very efficient, and very fast. Its all about delivering the right data, at the right time.

Citation please.

http://techfrag.com/2016/02/12/amd-zen-high-end-exascale-cpu-and-apu-specs-leaked/
Every CPU has 2048 bit controller. Raven Ridge APUs are the same family as Vega. Guess why? HBM2 is inherent part of the architecture. Vega appears to be designed to work ONLY with HBM2, not GDDR memory. However, some Raven Ridge APUs will not have HBM2. But every CPU has 2048 bit memory controller. And HBM2, CPU and GPU are connected together with Infinity Fabric, which you can deduct from post on forum-3dcenter.org, that I have linked above.

HBM2 adds latency. However, Infinity Fabric is for the exact reason of lowering the latency for CPU, and GPU.

 

[dbcoopernz]

A session at GDC was spotted by VideoCardz.com ...

http://schedule.gdconf.com/session/optimizing-for-amd-ryzen-cpu-presented-by-amd

Optimizing for AMD Ryzen CPU (Presented by AMD)

Join AMD Game Engineering team members for an introduction to the recently-launched AMD Ryzen CPU followed by advanced optimization topics. Learn about the Zen microarchitecture, power management, and CodeXL profiler. Gain insight into code optimization opportunities using hardware performance-monitoring counters. Examples may include assembly and C/C++.

 

[Ancalagon44]

GDC runs from February 27th to March the 3rd. So, it depends on when exactly that talk will be scheduled. But, it indicates that Ryzen might be released no later than March the 3rd.

 

[Atari2600]

A session at GDC was spotted by VideoCardz.com ...

Good find. Now, was it a typo or was it a slip.

 

[zinfamous]

GDC runs from February 27th to March the 3rd. So, it depends on when exactly that talk will be scheduled. But, it indicates that Ryzen might be released no later than March the 3rd.

seems like it. But the description says "recently launched," so I imagine that they have set a date prior to February 27, maybe the week before, for their own launch event. Safe to say from that, though, that Ryzen will be on shelves by March 3rd (those shelves might be empty for some time, but whatever).

 

[inf64]

It should be middle to late February launch according to GDC timing. AMD must have finalized SKUs by now and judging by the latest information it will be top to bottom launch. Can't wait to see where the clocks will land for 4C/8T and 6C/12T parts as these will be top sellers in mainstream segment.

 

[Ancalagon44]

Pity I'll have to wait to buy one. Need to pay off my car first, then I'll think about it. Problem is I'd need to upgrade CPU mobo and RAM at the same time - gets expensive.

 

[Doom2pro]

Finally a leak for this thread

February sounds good, should have the $ for a build by then

 

[swilli89]

It should be middle to late February launch according to GDC timing. AMD must have finalized SKUs by now and judging by the latest information it will be top to bottom launch. Can't wait to see where the clocks will land for 4C/8T and 6C/12T parts as these will be top sellers in mainstream segment.

Actually that's the beauty of renewed competition. 4C/8T should not and will not any longer be considered mainstream. Based on recent indications AMD will be moving price brackets down a notch, so their 4C/8T SKUs may slot down, obsoleting pretty much all i3's and entry i5's at their current pricing.

Unlocked, high IPC 6C/12T will be the new performance mainstream $250-300 option.

 

[inf64]

Actually that's the beauty of renewed competition. 4C/8T should not and will not any longer be considered mainstream. Based on recent indications AMD will be moving price brackets down a notch, so their 4C/8T SKUs may slot down, obsoleting pretty much all i3's and entry i5's at their current pricing.

Unlocked, high IPC 6C/12T will be the new performance mainstream $250-300 option.

I might finally be able to get 50% more cores (with SMT!) with roughly the same ST IPC , more IO features and same max OC for mainstream price of today's i5 platform. I'm currently on 4690K @ 4.3Ghz and I love this platform. But if Ryzen gives me the stuff I mentioned I will switch in 6 months and will not look back.

 

[raghu78]

Actually that's the beauty of renewed competition. 4C/8T should not and will not any longer be considered mainstream. Based on recent indications AMD will be moving price brackets down a notch, so their 4C/8T SKUs may slot down, obsoleting pretty much all i3's and entry i5's at their current pricing.

Unlocked, high IPC 6C/12T will be the new performance mainstream $250-300 option.

I think mainstream imo is still the USD 200 - 300 price segment. I think AMD might price the 4C/8T at USD 200 and the 6C/12T at USD 300. If AMD can deliver average Broadwell IPC and avg max OC on air of 4.5 Ghz they will have a solid product at an excellent price. That in itself will put pressure on Intel. I doubt AMD would want to go with a lower pricing than USD 200 for 4C/8T. If they do push for even lower prices they better have the product volume to satisfy the crazy demand. One thing is sure. The core i3 7350k is going to get a price cut in Q2.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Finally a leak for this thread

February sounds good, should have the $ for a build by then

Meh I'm ready to go now. Actually I was for Bristol Ridge back in October but that didn't pan out . . .

 

[Phynaz]

4C/8T should not and will not any longer be considered mainstream.

4C/8T isn't the mainstream today, let alone going beyond that. Looking at Newegg and Amazon sales data the i5 is more popular than the i7.

I think you may be mixing-up the mainstream and enthusiast markets.

 

[CatMerc]

Here are my pricing estimations:
Aggressive:
4C/4T - 100$
4C/8T - 150$
6C/12T - 250$
8C/16T F3 - 350$
8C/16T F4 - 500$

Middle road:
4C/4T - 150$
4C/8T - 200$
6C/12T - 300$
8C/16T F3 - 400$
8C/16T F4 - 600$

Conservative:
4C/4T - 180$
4C/8T - 250$
6C/12T - 350$
8C/16T F3 - 450$
8C/16T F4 - 650$

 

[Rifter]

Here are my pricing estimations:
Aggressive:
4C/4T - 100$
4C/8T - 150$
6C/12T - 250$
8C/16T F3 - 350$
8C/16T F4 - 500$

Middle road:
4C/4T - 150$
4C/8T - 200$
6C/12T - 300$
8C/16T F3 - 400$
8C/16T F4 - 600$

Conservative:
4C/4T - 180$
4C/8T - 250$
6C/12T - 350$
8C/16T F3 - 450$
8C/16T F4 - 650$

I pretty much agree with somewhere in the middle road to conservative prices you listed.

 

[MrTeal]

Here are my pricing estimations:
Aggressive:
4C/4T - 100$
4C/8T - 150$
6C/12T - 250$
8C/16T F3 - 350$
8C/16T F4 - 500$

Middle road:
4C/4T - 150$
4C/8T - 200$
6C/12T - 300$
8C/16T F3 - 400$
8C/16T F4 - 600$

Conservative:
4C/4T - 180$
4C/8T - 250$
6C/12T - 350$
8C/16T F3 - 450$
8C/16T F4 - 650$

What do you mean by F3 and F4?

 

[Doom2pro]

What do you mean by F3 and F4?

I think he means F3=3.4 base and F4=3.6 base... Based on ES revisions.

 

[CatMerc]

F3 would actually be 3.6GHz base and 3.9GHz turbo, while F4 would be 3.6GHz base and 4GHz base. However the silicon itself from rumors is supposed to have a higher Fmax.

I imagine they built up a stockpile of F3 stepping CPU's, while F4 CPU's will be in limited quantity by release, hence they will be given a premium price for their higher clocking potential.

 

[imported_jjj]

Here are my pricing estimations:
Aggressive:
4C/4T - 100$
4C/8T - 150$
6C/12T - 250$
8C/16T F3 - 350$
8C/16T F4 - 500$

Middle road:
4C/4T - 150$
4C/8T - 200$
6C/12T - 300$
8C/16T F3 - 400$
8C/16T F4 - 600$

Conservative:
4C/4T - 180$
4C/8T - 250$
6C/12T - 350$
8C/16T F3 - 450$
8C/16T F4 - 650$

349$ for 8 cores Zen is more than a sufficient ripoff. It would be like paying 700$ or more for a Polaris 10.
A 6-8 cores die will cost ...maybe 25-40$, including the box contents. They can feed the channel well and still make a LOT of money.
Established price points of up to 349$ are more than generous.

Volumes would tank above 349$ and AMD has a golden opportunity as Intel is defenseless in this segment but they won't get another chance like this EVER in PC.
Intel can make a 8 core consumer die that's smaller than a 4 cores APU and price it at 349$ (and bellow) and make AMD look greedy.
AMD needs an 8 cores SKU with very solid clocks at 349$ and a couple more bellow it. If they have 1-2 more SKUs above it with shiny boxes and water cooling,that's fine.
If they want to miss out on many billions in profits, they can price it high but that would be the dumbest thing they did since BD.
They can easily force everybody to uograde to AMD and boost GPU and AMD laptop sales in the next few years too but only if they don't get extra extra greedy.

 

[Atari2600]

349$ for 8 cores Zen is more than a sufficient ripoff. It would be like paying 700$ or more for a Polaris 10.
A 6-8 cores die will cost ...maybe 25-40$, including the box contents. They can feed the channel well and still make a LOT of money.
Established price points of up to 349$ are more than generous.

Volumes would tank above 349$ and AMD has a golden opportunity as Intel is defenseless in this segment but they won't get another chance like this EVER in PC.

Crazy. Top of the line Zen will be $500+ and still offer a compelling alternative to the Intel HEDT line. Your only deluding yourself if you think prices will come in <500 (and <redacted> mental if you think the vanguard will be less than 400!!!).

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[Shivansps]

You guys are crazy, last time AMD had a good product outside mainstream they priced it up like Intel. Remember the Athlon 64 FX line? $500 for a FX-74.

 

[imported_jjj]

Crazy. Top of the line Zen will be $500+ and still offer a compelling alternative to the Intel HEDT line. Your only deluding yourself if you think prices will come in <500 (and batsh!t mental if you think the vanguard will be less than 400!!!).

It's not about Intel's HEDT line it's about shipping tens of millions of units not 5 times less. It's about killing Kaby Lake (when it comes to customers that don't need an integrated GPU), not about an irrelevant platform like HEDT. It's about creating marketing value worth many billions. It's about not giving Intel an easy way to strike back and obliterate AMD. It's about boosting GPU and APU sales in the short and long run,It's about taking advantage of a once in a lifetime opportunity.
And doing all that at very high margins.
You are already getting severely ripped off even at 349$.

 

[dahorns]

It's not about Intel's HEDT line it's about shipping tens of millions of units not 5 times less. It's about creating marketing value worth many billions. It's about not giving Intel an easy way to strike back and obliterate AMD. It's about boosting GPU and APU sales in the short and long run,It's about taking advantage of a once in a lifetime opportunity.
And doing all that at very high margins.
You are already getting severely ripped off even at 349$.

I always wonder what people are thinking when they use the term "ripped off." The fact that the retail price may be 10x the cost of goods sold is irrelevant. Especially when considering products that require magnitudes more in sunk costs, such as R&D and manufacturing equipment.

 

[AtenRa]

You guys are crazy, last time AMD had a good product outside mainstream they priced it up like Intel. Remember the Athlon 64 FX line? $500 for a FX-74.

When Athlon was released in August 1999 it was faster than Intel Pentium III at lower prices. The Athlon FX was release several years after the original Athlon was introduced and at a time when Athlon CPUs were widely accepted as the better product vs the Intel Piii and P4.
So i believe the same will happen with RYZEN, it will be cheaper than Intel Kabylake.