[AMD_Robert] Concerning the AOTS image quality controversy

[sirmo]

Nice thanks

https://twitter.com/PellyNV/status/739890789208055808

Funny that it was only broken in a press only driver, one that regular users wouldn't be able to validate... Wonder why.

Nothing surprises me from Nvidia anymore.

 

[LTC8K6]

Does 368.19 support Pascal?
368.22 doesn't seem to.

Looks like I was on the right track on page 1...

 

[Bacon1]

Looks like I was on the right track on page 1...

Except .19 was the driver they gave out for press to review with, so yes it supports it.

Just google "368.19 Nvidia" and you'll see it mentioned in all the reviews.

 

[LTC8K6]

Except .19 was the driver they gave out for press to review with, so yes it supports it.

Just google "368.19 Nvidia" and you'll see it mentioned in all the reviews.

"on the right track" does not mean "totally correct".

I was indeed on the right track, questioning the drivers, imo.

 

[Erenhardt]

WOW. Performance oriented review drivers. A new low from nvidia. Waiting for them to force 720p rendering upscaled in the future. Seems they lie to their consumers all the time.

 

[renderstate]

Nice thanks



https://twitter.com/PellyNV/status/739890789208055808



Funny that it was only broken in a press only driver, one that regular users wouldn't be able to validate... Wonder why.

I was totally expecting you to see some malice, I wonder why. Before making accusations without proof shouldn't we wait to see how performance compares with bad and good drivers?

Also why did AMD use a driver that they were not even supposed to have?

If performance with official drivers is actually higher are you going to say "I wonder why?" maliciously accusing AMD of cheating? I bet not.

 

[renderstate]

WOW. Performance oriented review drivers. A new low from nvidia. Waiting for them to force 720p rendering upscaled in the future. Seems they lie to their consumers all the time.

So do you have proof that on newer drivers that generate a correct image performance is actually worse? Or are you simply making unfounded accusations?

 

[sirmo]

I was totally expecting you to see some malice, I wonder why. Before making accusations without proof shouldn't we wait to see how performance compares with bad and good drivers?

Also why did AMD use a driver that they were not even supposed to have?

If performance with official drivers is actually higher are you going to say "I wonder why?" maliciously accusing AMD of cheating? I bet not.

Yeah let's concentrate on the important issue, how did AMD get this driver? /s

Spoken like a true Nvidia apologist.

 

[renderstate]

Yeah let's concentrate on the important issue, how did AMD get this driver? /s

Spoken like a true Nvidia apologist.

Thumbs up for totally ignoring the fact you have no proof of what you said. Waiting for facts, not malicious wishful thinking.

 

[dogen1]

Yeah let's concentrate on the important issue, how did AMD get this driver? /s

Spoken like a true Nvidia apologist.

Yeah, definitely focusing just on AMD having a press driver when his first sentence wasn't even related to that.

And since when is saying wait for evidence before making conclusions being an apologist for anything but the truth?

 

[dzoni2k2]

I was totally expecting you to see some malice, I wonder why. Before making accusations without proof shouldn't we wait to see how performance compares with bad and good drivers?

Also why did AMD use a driver that they were not even supposed to have?

If performance with official drivers is actually higher are you going to say "I wonder why?" maliciously accusing AMD of cheating? I bet not.

Why is it even relevant how AMD got the driver?! This was the 1st thing that Nvidia guy asked too.

What matters is:

1. how did this impact performance
2. what other games (if any) are also impacted but went by unnoticed by reviewers

It may very well be just a visual thing that's not impacting performance one way or another.

 

[Glo.]

I was totally expecting you to see some malice, I wonder why. Before making accusations without proof shouldn't we wait to see how performance compares with bad and good drivers?

Also why did AMD use a driver that they were not even supposed to have?

If performance with official drivers is actually higher are you going to say "I wonder why?" maliciously accusing AMD of cheating? I bet not.

Read again previous statements about the game benchmark.

GTX 1080 did less work than it was supposed to. It will not gain more performance when it will have to do more work.

 

[dogen1]

Why is it even relevant how AMD got the driver?! This was the 1st thing that Nvidia guy asked too.

What matters is:

1. how did this impact performance
2. what other games (if any) are also impacted but went by unnoticed by reviewers

Do you people actually read posts that you respond to?

"Before making accusations without proof shouldn't we wait to see how performance compares with bad and good drivers?"

Or is this a memory problem, it being the first sentence of 3?

 

[poofyhairguy]

If performance with official drivers is actually higher are you going to say "I wonder why?" maliciously accusing AMD of cheating? I bet not.

And if performance with the driver regular consumers will actually use lowers 1080 performance will you accuse Nvidia of cheating? I bet not.

Its cool, we will do it for you.

 

[renderstate]

Why is it even relevant how AMD got the driver?! This was the 1st thing that Nvidia guy asked too.



What matters is:



1. how did this impact performance

2. what other games (if any) are also impacted but went by unnoticed by reviewers

Re-read my message. Performance impact was my first question. The question about how AMD got that driver IS relevant IF we find out that the official driver brings improved performance. In that case one could actually wonder if AMD had simply tried to portrait their HW in a better light without realizing there were image quality issues.

 

[Erenhardt]

So do you have proof that on newer drivers that generate a correct image performance is actually worse? Or are you simply making unfounded accusations?

uh huh. No, not rendering things is lately decreasing performance obviously. /s

At present the GTX 1080 is incorrectly executing the terrain shaders responsible for populating the environment with the appropriate amount of snow. The GTX 1080 is doing less work to render AOTS than it otherwise would if the shader were being run properly.

 

[Glo.]

Because that was the only one official with Pascal support for this game at that time?

 

[sontin]

Because that was the only one official with Pascal support for this game at that time?

Actually, the .25 driver was the latest at the time.

 

[renderstate]

Because that was the only one official with Pascal support for this game at that time?

What does that even mean? 368.25 was released 5 days before RX480 paper launch.

 

[dogen1]

Actually, the .25 driver was the latest at the time.

I wonder why AMD wasn't using that one then. :sneaky:

 

[sirmo]

Thumbs up for totally ignoring the fact you have no proof of what you said. Waiting for facts, not malicious wishful thinking.

Proof that I said what exactly?

I am only commenting on your spin to deflect from the issue at hand.

 

[Glo.]

I was asking about that. Somehow there was missing word "maybe" at the beginning

 

[swilli89]

WOW. Performance oriented review drivers. A new low from nvidia. Waiting for them to force 720p rendering upscaled in the future. Seems they lie to their consumers all the time.

These guys constantly lie through their teeth all with a huge smile to boot, all while spitting superfluous rhetoric that would make a bible thumping 'publican cry tears of admiration.

 

[renderstate]

Proof that I said what exactly?



I am only commenting on your spin to deflect from the issue at hand.

What about the part where you imply NVIDIA is cheating without having any proof? Oh snap

 

[BlitzWulf]

Here's what I want to know, how did Nvidia know to fix the issue if it was press only?

Did the press report the bug to Nvidia and not to the public? Or did they find the bug on their own,maybe they already knew?