AMD's 2ghz chip

[peemo]

I read that delay of some critical machine was slowing down Intel's transition to .13u but I guess that was wrong.

May 11/2001 on The Inquirer:



<< As we noted yesterday, there will be a price reduction at the end of May, the 27th to be precise, as we predicted.

The P3 1GHz will then cost $193, the 933MHz $183, the Celeron 850 $86, the 800 $74, the 766 $69 and the 733 $64. Intel has revised these prices quite a way down from its last WW14 roadmap.

The P4 2GHz gets introduced in June, rather earlier than we expected, and will cost $562.

At that time, Intel will intro its 1.2GHz Tualatin Pentium III at $321 and its 1133GHz &quot;Pabster&quot; Tualatin at $294. An 1100/100 Pentium III launched in June will cost #268. The Pentium III 1GHz stays at #193 - it's going to be disappeared.

The Celeron 900 will drop to $103 then.

On the 15th of July, the 1200Tualatin and the 1133 &quot;Pabster&quot; will drop to $294 and $268 respectively, while the 1100/100 will drop to $241.

Intel has no plans to drop prices on server workstation CPUs or chipsets this time round. µ >>

 

[shathal]

It wasn't delay on a machine, but a supplier of parts for the 0.13 micron kit - but Intel (like any sensible company) didn't put all the eggs into a single basket (if we are to believe their PR), and thus still seem to be on track for 0.13 micron. This is one of the rare instances where I am actually somewhat inclined to believe them.

Either way - I too would be impressed if AMD would go 0.15 (Isn't someone mixing up GFX-cards cores here maybe?) before going to 0.13 - for a start that would mean upgrading their fabs 2x (which is silly), and the mobo-manufacturers wouldn't be too happy (as per usual).

AFAIK AMD is set to throw 0.13 on the market around end Q1/Q2 of 2002 on the market. Pls correct me if I am out of date. Tualatin is AFAIK shipping already, as is reiforced by THIS article.

Northwood (P4 on 0.13 micron) should be coming soon as well, which will be a great relief. Finally the sodding move to 478 pins. I am told that the plan is to have this (the 478 pins) to last for 2-3 or so years - that would be good.

So - interesting times ahead ... it'll be a cool summer. Hopefully Intel will chop the prices on the CPU's nicely. The move to 0.13 micron will help, as should the move to 300 mm wafers (is AMD *REALLY* 2 years behind on that one?) - so, we should see the Intel vs. AMD pricing come a lot closer (I hope). If things go according to plan (that is my selfish one), the P4 should be a lot more affordable soon as well as cranking out those MHz nicely.

It remains to be seen what AMD will do about it - they also do something cunning .

 

[ragiepew]

<< Also, the Athlon 4 won't be made on SOI. The Hammer might be, >>


Wingz... I think that Barton is an Athlon core (Thouroghbred core to be exact) with SOI. It is slated for release H2/02... unless like all things lately, it gets delayed. Anywho, Barton is suppose to be a .13 chip w/ SOI and thats it.... i believe.

<edit>
If all things pan out like they should on AMD's roadmap, it indeed seems that Intel has around a 6mo lead on
them in their .13 process. Also, someone said that they should align themselves w/ IBM, they are usings IBM's
SOI process... as for copper, they got that from Motorola.
</edit>

 

[Wingznut]

Right... but idgaf13 said that the Palomino (Athlon 4) was delayed to be able to accept SOI. Except that it won't be built on SOI wafers. That's what I was trying to clarify.

 

[ragiepew]

ahh... my bad

5 years in college and I still dont know how to read... ehh.

 

[rahvin]

<<Also, the Athlon 4 won't be made on SOI. The Hammer might be, but it wouldn't surprise me if they found better ways to implement their circuits/junctions, and not have the need for the much more expensive SOI wafers.>>

When they announced the delay of the hammer line they said they were delaying the introduction so that it would coincide with deployment of .13 with SOI. I was under the impression that AMD would not go to .13 without SOI either. But I could be wrong on the second point.

 

[Wingznut]

Afaik, that's their plan. But 12+ months is a lot of time for them to change their mind, or find better ways to do things. I'm not saying they will ditch SOI, I'm just saying it's a possibility.

 

[shathal]

BTW, SOI nor &quot;pure Silicon&quot; (that is 90%+ pure), are no new ideas. AFAIK Intel looked at them and decided that they were too expensive to implement (thus more expensive CPUs). There's other ways around the thermals &amp; so on.

It could have been used in the 90's as well - just not much point. Too big a cost.

 

[etech]

Read into it who and what processor that you will.

biz.yahoo.com
Wednesday May 30, 7:21 am Eastern Time

Press Release

Isonics Enters Into Joint Development Program With Microprocessor
Manufacturer

GOLDEN, Colo.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--May 30, 2001--Isonics Corporation (NasdaqSC: ISON/ISONW) and (Frankfurt:
IO9) a leader in the development of isotopically pure silicon-28 wafers for the semiconductor industry announced that it has
entered into a one-year silicon-28 joint development program with a major microprocessor manufacturer. ....
Dr. Stephen J. Burden, Isonics' VP of Semiconductor Materials, added, ``Initial testing confirmed that our silicon-28 wafers met industry quality standards and could be substituted for normal silicon wafers in a production fab. This program calls for Isonics to supply several versions of silicon-28 epitaxial wafers and eventually silicon-28 bulk wafers. Making and rigorously testing state-of-the-art microprocessors is the only way to accurately quantify the benefits of high thermal conductivity silicon-28 in this application. By testing the entire spectrum of silicon-28 wafers, we believe that we will find the proper balance between performance and cost.''

 

[ragiepew]

Here is a roadmap from AMD... slates Barton (.13+SOI) as H2/02. You're right wingz... 12mo away... for SOI that is... in H1/01 Thoroughbread is slated for debute... .13 w/o SOI. Anyway, thought ppl would be interested...

Here's the Roadmap

 

[Pabster]

Peemo wrote:

&quot;On the 15th of July, the 1200Tualatin and the 1133 &quot;Pabster&quot; will drop to $294 and $268 respectively, while the 1100/100 will drop to $241.&quot;

Has Intel decided to name a new CPU after me? Or is the Inquirer just drooling over me?

 

[shathal]

Thanks - nice info. Interesting slideshow too.

Is there a main page/index per chance, or does one have to go through the JPG's one by one?

.

 

[Adul]

Is intel going to go copper any time soon?

 

[ragiepew]

Adul- I think I heard/read somewhere that they were going to go to copper... not sure how truthful and/or soon they will if they do. Maybe Wingz has a better clue than I...

 

[Wingznut]

Both Tualatin and Northwood will be copper. Actually, copper plated wafers are all that I handle at work.

 

[ragiepew]

Thanks for the info! Hey, didnt Intel bash copper last year when AMD started using it (or at least was saying it &quot;would&quot; use it? Just curious as to why change so fast... i mean I knew they would move to copper, but damn.... its right around the corner, the change was quick.

 

[gogeeta13]

actually guys both the tualtin and palo will be able to hit 2 Ghz(at least OCed). I personally know. If you dont believe me, go buy a compaq, take the palo out, put it in your desktop and have a party