AMD's Cayman - HD 6900 series info delayed till week of Dec 13th

[GaiaHunter]

I think the gtx580 caught them with there pants down. They want to make the 6970 a little faster.
It does show one thing about the gtx580 vs the 6970, its gonna be close.
So why wait? Just buy a gtx580 now, if your in the market for a high end card.

It is cool to see you changed your opinion.

I guess that 75%-100% more performance isn't such a great reason to buy, but 20% more that what is available is amazing.

Of course the longer a card is delayed the worse it is, especially when you have the GPU ready.

In all seriousness, what benifits does purchasing a 5870/gt300 have right now? Stalker Clear Sky and Crysis Warhead on a 30 inch monitor 2500x1600 with max settings? Other then that I can't think of one that would make me to buy one.

I guess it you have loads of money and want 100fps instead of 80?

I just don't get it.

I can see around a month from now when windows 7 is released, but will there be any direct x 11 games out by oct 18?

Edit: what i'm saying is this just a case of "my cards faster then yours"?
E-peen thing?

Ok, so can a gtx285/4890 play all games at high detail @ 1920x1080?
If yes, they why not wait for the gt300 before making a 380$ videocard purchase?
Even if you only have a 8800/4850 series, prices will be better for the new cards when theres more competition right?

I guess for the very few people who game at 2500x1600 it's plausable.

Personally I game on my 32 inch Tv 1080p with a overclocked 8800gt.
I just played the new Need for speed Shift, Left 4 Dead, Grid, and Call of duty WAW . Smooth as butter and looked great. I play Crysis on my 19 inch CRT.

Hey thanks for the links. That Dirt 2 looks awsome, but I can wait a 2 months to make a decision ,unless Nvidia shows up early. (October.).
@1900x1080 theres not much out there that makes me *need* to upgrade right now! If there is like Crysis I'll just use the 19 inch crt.

 

[Genx87]

Fair enough, but you said, The chip shortage is IMHO, absolute BS. so you are stating as fact that AMD is using the time to somehow make the card faster?

BTW, what do you base your opinion on that AMD needs to make the cards faster?

Do you know what the acronym IMHO is? This is silly, in the very quote he says "In My holy Opinion", and you are trying to say he is stating fact?

 

[ArchAngel777]

Do you know what the acronym IMHO is? This is silly, in the very quote he says "In My holy Opinion", and you are trying to say he is stating fact?

I thought it was "In My Humble Opinion" Holy would mean to be set apart and Wholy wouldn't line up with the acronym. It could also mean Honest. Regardless, it does mean opinion.

 

[tviceman]

http://plaza.fi/muropaketti/muropak...a-6970-naytonohjaimet-julkaistaan-viikolla-50

Anyone seen this yet? 6950/6970 Q1 2011

 

[blastingcap]

Do you know what the acronym IMHO is?

In My Hippopotamus's Orifice?

 

[Genx87]

I thought it was "In My Humble Opinion" Holy would mean to be set apart and Wholy wouldn't line up with the acronym. It could also mean Honest. Regardless, it does mean opinion.

Hehe true enough. I guess I have heard it used in a few different ways.

 

[tviceman]

In My Hippopotamus's Orifice?

Hotdog in a hallway!

 

[blastingcap]

http://plaza.fi/muropaketti/muropak...a-6970-naytonohjaimet-julkaistaan-viikolla-50

Anyone seen this yet? 6950/6970 Q1 2011

It's also listed under Q4 2010, implying a Q4 launch.

Q1 2011 is just a cumulative total.

Note that Q1 2011 also lists 6870/6850. Are you trying to say that 6870/6850 have not yet launched but will launch in Q1 2011?

 

[happy medium]

http://plaza.fi/muropaketti/muropak...a-6970-naytonohjaimet-julkaistaan-viikolla-50

Anyone seen this yet? 6950/6970 Q1 2011

Uh, oh, There pants were down if thats true. I seen a slide like that 2 days ago and the 6970/50 was in Q4 slot.

That must be photo chopped or something.

 

[tviceman]

It's also listed under Q4 2010, implying a Q4 launch.

Q1 2011 is just a cumulative total.

Note that Q1 2011 also lists 6870/6850. Are you trying to say that 6870/6850 have not yet launched but will launch in Q1 2011?

Ahahahaha whoops! I wasn't wearing my glasses.

 

[ArchAngel777]

It's also listed under Q4 2010, implying a Q4 launch.

Q1 2011 is just a cumulative total.

Note that Q1 2011 also lists 6870/6850. Are you trying to say that 6870/6850 have not yet launched but will launch in Q1 2011?

True. Plus, didn't AMD use this tactic before? It creates bogus roadmaps making it difficult to know the truth. There is also the other possibility... That there is so much inter-communication problems within AMD that the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing... I hope that isn't true. That would be a bummer.

 

[Chumster]

http://plaza.fi/muropaketti/muropak...a-6970-naytonohjaimet-julkaistaan-viikolla-50

Anyone seen this yet? 6950/6970 Q1 2011

Do you mean the slide or the text? Because the slide simply indicates that the 6950/6970 will continue to hold that slot in Q1 2011. Just as it shows that the 6850/6870 will continue to hold that performance slot in Q1 2011.

If you're referring to the text, well I'm too lazy to throw it in to babelfish

Ahahahaha whoops! I wasn't wearing my glasses.

Actually, I think the problem was that you were wearing your glasses

[edit]I'm slow

 

[blastingcap]

Ahahahaha whoops! I wasn't wearing my glasses.

That's okay, I know you were distracted by Key's hippo. I would be too.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Do you mean the slide or the text? Because the slide simply indicates that the 6950/6970 will continue to hold that slot in Q1 2011. Just as it shows that the 6850/6870 will continue to hold that performance slot in Q1 2011.

If you're referring to the text, well I'm too lazy to throw it in to babelfish

[edit]I'm slow

Ahhh heck... I can't help but not go OT right here--- I love the avatar! Haha... Plankton is the best.

 

[Absolution75]

Does anyone actually think this happened?

1. AMD spins out the HD 6900 chip awhile ago (weeks to months)
2. nvidia drops the 580 bomb and AMD sees that its not fast enough
3. AMD redesigns the chip a month prior to the launch????

Since when is it really possible to redesign, respin, tests, and gets enough supply for a launch in 1 month?

Likely they were either running behind or as said, supply issues. I highly doubt there is any redesign because of the 580. They could be testing higher clocks however.

 

[Genx87]

Does anyone actually think this happened?

1. AMD spins out the HD 6900 chip awhile ago (weeks to months)
2. nvidia drops the 580 bomb and AMD sees that its not fast enough
3. AMD redesigns the chip a month prior to the launch????

Since when is it really possible to redesign, respin, tests, and gets enough supply for a launch in 1 month?

Likely they were either running behind or as said, supply issues. I highly doubt there is any redesign because of the 580. They could be testing higher clocks however.

It would be impossible to redesign and spin the thing in a month. If they tweak, it will be with memory and core clocks. Which means not a huge improvement. I think they could have an issue with this chip from TI. But that just seems shocking to me they couldnt get their supply chain working for this launch. Another option is the drivers arent working very good. Or they are having yield issues and cant get enough chips to hard launch.

 

[Daedalus685]

Does anyone actually think this happened?

1. AMD spins out the HD 6900 chip awhile ago (weeks to months)
2. nvidia drops the 580 bomb and AMD sees that its not fast enough
3. AMD redesigns the chip a month prior to the launch????

Since when is it really possible to redesign, respin, tests, and gets enough supply for a launch in 1 month?

Likely they were either running behind or as said, supply issues. I highly doubt there is any redesign because of the 580. They could be testing higher clocks however.

The only way they could tweak for the 580 is if they had two bin structures set up (one less profitable but with a faster high end) and have switched requiring QA on the cards again.

It is unlikely they would bother doing that though.. My bet is on supply issues. If it were real issues they had no idea about (yields) they would be committing suicide giving us a date at this point only to change it again.

 

[GaiaHunter]

If they tweak, it will be with memory and core clocks. Which means not a huge improvement.

How do you know that?

Look at the GTX460 if you tweak the clocks by 25% it gets at least 20% faster.

Additionally if the 6970 is 4D opposed to 5D driver improvements/tweaks should be expected.

 

[Genx87]

How do you know that?

Look at the GTX460 if you tweak the clocks by 25% it gets at least 20% faster.

Additionally if the 6970 is 4D opposed to 5D driver improvements/tweaks should be expected.

I would be surprised if AMD would have an allowance of 25% increase in clocks on their highest end chip. We enthusiasts can mess with clocks. But from a Q&A perspective. That sounds like a nightmare to accomplish in under a month.

 

[tviceman]

How do you know that?

Look at the GTX460 if you tweak the clocks by 25% it gets at least 20% faster.

Additionally if the 6970 is 4D opposed to 5D driver improvements/tweaks should be expected.

gtx460 was released like it was so it wouldn't completely undermine gtx465 and gtx470 sales.

 

[GaiaHunter]

I would be surprised if AMD would have an allowance of 25% increase in clocks on their highest end chip. We enthusiasts can mess with clocks. But from a Q&A perspective. That sounds like a nightmare to accomplish in under a month.

I'm not saying they have 25% or whatever other number - that was just an example.

We don't know if they are messing with clocks or not, but lets assume they are.

Why would they?

The only reason I could see is that if they could do enough to either close/tie with the GTX580 performance or distance from it.

Either AMD isn't tweaking with the clocks (although pulling back the BIOS settings is weird) and so the problem is from a different type, like the TI chip or AMD is indeed tweaking and have whatever allowance they require to close/tie or distance the 6970 from the GTX590.

 

[bryanW1995]

Your post sounds very fanboy-ish to me. Why wait? So you can see what AMD brings to the table, there will likely be price drops. The only people who won't wait are people that either need a card NOW and can't wait, or have no intention of buying anything AMD in the first place.

As for the delay, this sucks for everyone looking to buy a high end card.

my not so bold prediction: 6970 is slightly faster than 480 but slower than 580, amd prices it aggressively at 399, gtx 580 prices go UP slightly after cayman comes out.

 

[GaiaHunter]

gtx460 was released like it was so it wouldn't completely undermine gtx465 and gtx470 sales.

Wasn't a very smart strategy then.

 

[OCGuy]

@bryan

That would be sad for AMD. This is supposed to be an actual new architecture for them. All nV did was "get Fermi right." That would mean nV's previous gen arch is keeping up with/beating AMD's new one.

6970 needs to spank Fermi or it is a failure.

 

[bryanW1995]

That's compatible with their not wanting to encroach on the sales of their own cards, by releasing new stock to stores that have a decent supply left of 5-series cards, right? It could be both. I'm not saying that they won't spend this time trying to make possible improvements, but 'getting caught with their pants down' is just a ridiculous statement, IMHO too of course.

sorry, but if nvidia came up with this exact same statement we'd have 10 amd fanboys all over them about it. of course, nvidia probably would have said something more like:

"We have decided to delay fermi because with physx (tm) enabled because an 8600gt is faster than a 5970"

they both use spin, all I was saying is that amd's spin-control is extremely weak right now. it doesn't matter if the delay is due to production, drivers, suppliers, etc, when was the last time you saw a high end card release a month + after the competitor and actually be better? I don't want to say that it's never happened, but in a huge majority of cases the first to market is also the best.