AMD's Cayman - HD 6900 series info delayed till week of Dec 13th

[RussianSensation]

I anticipate the 6970 to be 10% slower then the 580 while costing around 399.99

And HD6990 to cost $599.99. This may be a smarter strategy if anything. As others mentioned, price is very important. Even if HD6970 is not ultimately faster, if it's $100 less, it's a winner.

 

[Chumster]

I am not sure why the discussion also comes back to die size. For consumers, die size doesn't matter. I bet 90% of videocard buyers have no idea what a node process is.

Agreed. Nor do I think the large majority cares about relative performance to the previous gen (or 1/2 gen, or whatever.) They walk (logon) to their favorite store, cash (credit) in hand, and buy a card based on their budget range.

 

[Seero]

I think the delay was due to a dust on the blueprint of the die that was sent to the lab 6 months ago. The person responsible for that dust had dip into liquid silicon over and over until there are no sign of live 179 days ago, and corpse got beaten until today. However, his/her treatment was far human compare to the one on the other side.

And no, I don't have prove.

 

[Keysplayr]

hmm For me the worst possible news would be if they promised release by christmas and than did not deliver. Last fall at least one site reported they were promised the 480 release by christmas and than many that waited were disappointed.

At least this way, if you have a need for a 580, you can buy without knowing you will look like an idiot within 2 months.

Not quite sure why people are angry about this, amd was quite prompt in letting us know they are having problems - the 580 has been out and available for only a few days. No one needs to feel bad about not waiting now as supplies haven't been stressed yet.

Bold above ^

What do you mean "quite prompt". How long has AMD known about any problem? A few days? A few months? Makes defining "prompt" a bit difficult.

This doesn't mean anything, it's just that what makes you just come out and state that they were prompt?

 

[badb0y]

Bold above ^

What do you mean "quite prompt". How long has AMD known about any problem? A few days? A few months? Makes defining "prompt" a bit difficult.

This doesn't mean anything, it's just that what makes you just come out and state that they were prompt?

prompt as in responded quickly with a date.

unlike nVidia with Fermi:

First they said soon, then they said Christmas, then they announced an announcment which they said would be the launch date.
I liked how they handled the Gtx 580.

 

[tannat]

Bold above ^

What do you mean "quite prompt". How long has AMD known about any problem? A few days? A few months? Makes defining "prompt" a bit difficult.

This doesn't mean anything, it's just that what makes you just come out and state that they were prompt?

They told us it was delayed before expected launch date. That is extremely prompt as compared to last time a new architechture was delayed. I can see where he's coming from. Quite balanced pov in a heated thread.

Back to topic.

I agree that the close to 20% improvement in GTX580 was quite impressive, but it's good to keep i mind that the GF100 was more or less a zero improvement from previous generation in spite of new architecture. Node shrink saved Gf100. The improvement in performance from the architecture is first seen now.

More than 15% improvement through architechture is a great result, has always been.

Finally, the thought that AMD would postpone the chip to beat GTX580 is unprecedented and sounds quite ridicolous IMHO. It,s an entirelly different approach from what ATI has done for two generations now. They have never bothered with the halo monster, they just make a more efficient small one. It seems quite constructed to suppose that this would be the case now. IMHO

 

[Keysplayr]

prompt as in responded quickly with a date.

unlike nVidia with Fermi:

First they said soon, then they said Christmas, then they announced an announcment which they said would be the launch date.
I liked how they handled the Gtx 580.

Ah, ok. I was thinking that ronnn knew when they started having problems.

 

[OCGuy]

They told us it was delayed before expected launch date. That is extremely prompt as compared to last time a new architechture was delayed. I can see where he's coming from. Quite balanced pov in a heated thread.
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I agree that the close to 20% improvement in GTX580 was quite impressive, but it's good to keep i mind that the GF100 was more or less a zero improvement from previous generation in spite of new architecture. Node shrink saved Gf100. The improvement in performance from the architecture is first seen now.

What? 480 wasn't an improvement over 285? Que?


........

 

[Mem]

There isn't any shortage of those chips. AMD is using the time to make 69xx faster than it would have been before seeing GTX580. Simple. The chip shortage is IMHO, absolute BS.

I think your opinion is completely wrong IMHO ,did you read the article over at VR Zone?

http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-radeon-hd-6970-delay-due-to-component-shortage-launch-date-to-be-re-confirmed/10276.html

However, an insider has shared a contradicting piece of news: the card's delay is not due to yield issues - production is perfectly fine, but rather a shortage of a particular component from Texas Instruments (TI) is the root cause of the hold-up.

End of the day its only a short wait so no big deal IMHO.

 

[Hard Ball]

Bold above ^

What do you mean "quite prompt". How long has AMD known about any problem? A few days? A few months? Makes defining "prompt" a bit difficult.

This doesn't mean anything, it's just that what makes you just come out and state that they were prompt?

How do you figure that it's not prompt. AMD has only revealed the approximate launch date just before the 6800 release. And has already shared expected delay just a few weeks later; I don't see where your logic comes from.

 

[exar333]

With 28nm around the corner, we may see why NV was so excited about Fermi. A lot of attention was paid to the power usage, etc. of the GF100, but the work may end-up paying off for NV. I hope it does. Competition is good, and I will buy the best card I can (regardless of AMD vs. NV). Performance and value is king to me, NOT the brand.

 

[Keysplayr]

I think your opinion is completely wrong IMHO ,did you read the article over at VR Zone?

http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-radeon-hd-6970-delay-due-to-component-shortage-launch-date-to-be-re-confirmed/10276.html



End of the day its only a short wait so no big deal IMHO.

Yes, I did. You don't always believe what you read, do you?
After many years talking tech and seeing everything that goes on, I guess some people have "gut" feelings they like to share with the rest.
You're right. I could be 100% wrong. But I could also be 100% right. Or anywhere in between. (OMG I feel like I'm Charlie Demerjian here! LOL ) You don't "have" to agree with me. That's the beauty of an opinion.

 

[tannat]

What? 480 wasn't an improvement over 285? Que?


........

Scaling GTX285 to 40 nm with the same size as GF100 would in theory have given similar or even better performance than GF100.

In this sense the architectural improvements of fermi are not seen realized until now.

 

[SlowSpyder]

I haven't read all two hundred plus replies here, but it seems like this is being made into a huge deal. While a delay isn't good, we are talking about a few weeks at this point... if AMD doesn't launch until April, then we have a problem < cough Nvidia cough > .

I think AMD is going have a pretty good part. Nvidia finally launched what they announced some 14 months ago. My guess is AMD will be fine, though they are going to miss out on the Black Friday sales.

 

[Mem]

Yes, I did. You don't always believe what you read, do you?
After many years talking tech and seeing everything that goes on, I guess some people have "gut" feelings they like to share with the rest.
You're right. I could be 100% wrong. But I could also be 100% right. Or anywhere in between. (OMG I feel like I'm Charlie Demerjian here! LOL ) You don't "have" to agree with me. That's the beauty of an opinion.

Look at it from my point of view now do I prefer to trust VR Zone and other sites or Nvidia focus member , no brainer really .

We all know delays happen for whatever reason on both sides of the camp,as I stated we shouldn't have long to wait.

 

[Keysplayr]

Look at it from my point of view now do I prefer to trust VR Zone and other sites or Nvidia focus member , no brainer really .

We all know delays happen for whatever reason on both sides of the camp,as I stated we shouldn't have long to wait.

Absolutely mind numbing, Mem. What does ANY of this have to do with ANY kind of trust? Thanks for that insight.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

Am I the only one in the forum who is sick of the red vs green fanboy insanity? I read this part of the forum less and less and when I do I feel like I have wasted my time and would have been better served doing something else..

its getting harder to tell who the shills are and who the fanboys are...they are seeming to morph into one...

On topic: sucks that they delayed...was hoping for a 69 series before the end of the month ; ;

:thumbsup:

 

[Keysplayr]

I haven't read all two hundred plus replies here, but it seems like this is being made into a huge deal. While a delay isn't good, we are talking about a few weeks at this point... if AMD doesn't launch until April, then we have a problem < cough Nvidia cough > .

I think AMD is going have a pretty good part. Nvidia finally launched what they announced some 14 months ago. My guess is AMD will be fine, though they are going to miss out on the Black Friday sales.

I think AMD is going to have a pretty good part to. Just not good enough in light of certain events. Hence this tweak delay. IMHO (In My Honest Opinion).

 

[GaiaHunter]

I am not sure why the discussion also comes back to die size. For consumers, die size doesn't matter. I bet 90&#37; of videocard buyers have no idea what a node process is.

Because we are discussing architectures!

If you want to discuss graphic cards it doesn't matter if an architecture is newer or older either does it?

When you discuss graphic cards you discuss performance, price, power consumption (and the related heat and noise), features (DX10 or DX11, etc).

When you start discussing architectures on the other hands die size does matter.

If die size doesn't matter when comparing the 6970 vs the GTX580 then the fact Cayman is supposedly a newer architecture while the GTX580 is a refresh of GF100 doesn't matter either.

OK. You don't like discussing architectures. Then don't.

If you do like discuss architectures than die size matters, performance/watt (something NVIDIA mentioned when talking about future architectures) matters, etc.

And we, or at least I and others, were talking about architectures here.

If card X is as fast as card Y, but is half the size, which one is the most efficient architecture? Of course if card X cost twice as much card Y, card Y is most likely the best buy.

See the difference between discussing architectures and cards?

The most curious is you understand why die sizes matter and performance/mm^2 matter.

Like I said if you are expecting HD6970 to beat a GTX580 by 15-20%, that would put the 6970 ~ 50-60% faster than an HD5870. That's a big difference on the same manufacturing node. If AMD can pull that off, then the 4D design has tremendous potential in HD7000 series on 28nm.

As you said in this post, if the architecture scales well there is potential on 28nm, even if the improvement now is smaller than 60%.

And in the example of 8800GT vs 3870, which wasn't the same since if both cards were on the same node the size difference would be smaller, we know how the 4800 series ended.

 

[Mem]

Absolutely mind numbing, Mem. Thanks for that insight.

I'm probably one of the few members here thats not too worried about how fast it is , but more worried on if they get the pricing right for what you get,same goes for Nvidia as well,I do like my money's worth :biggrin:

 

[Jdawg84]

This makes me wonder. Now that Nvidia has seemed to improve on power and heat with GF110 will they man up and make a GF110 595? I'd be happy with 480 or 440 shaders per core.

 

[SlowSpyder]

I think AMD is going to have a pretty good part to. Just not good enough in light of certain events. Hence this tweak delay. IMHO (In My Honest Opinion).

I am not too sure I buy the excuse of a MOSFT chip issue either. It's quite possible that Cayman is a few percent slower than the 580 so they are just upping the clocks. Or maybe AMD is being 100% honest here. Who knows. But launching 2-3 weeks later than originally planned is hardly a big deal. They may blow us out of the water, or it could be 480 performance at best. I guess we'll have to wait and see. But launching in mid-December instead of late November isn't the end of the world if I'm AMD.

 

[bryanW1995]

I think the delay was due to a dust on the blueprint of the die that was sent to the lab 6 months ago. The person responsible for that dust had dip into liquid silicon over and over until there are no sign of live 179 days ago, and corpse got beaten until today. However, his/her treatment was far human compare to the one on the other side.

And no, I don't have prove.

Tweakboy, did you hack seero's account???

 

[Arkadrel]

Originally Posted by manimal
Am I the only one in the forum who is sick of the red vs green fanboy insanity? I read this part of the forum less and less and when I do I feel like I have wasted my time and would have been better served doing something else..

its getting harder to tell who the shills are and who the fanboys are...they are seeming to morph into one...

On topic: sucks that they delayed...was hoping for a 69 series before the end of the month ; ;

This place is crazy nvidia biased lol.... a nvidia focus group member is a mod so it kinda goes without saying.

When sites that have rumored insider info say its a TI chip thats supply constraint, its all just really "smokes and mirrors and lies". It makes sense because a nvidia focus member said so.

You don't "have" to agree with me. That's the beauty of an opinion.

^-^

Personal attacks and mod callouts simply are not acceptable.

Moderator Idontcare

 

[OCGuy]

Scaling GTX285 to 40 nm with the same size as GF100 would in theory have given similar or even better performance than GF100.

In this sense the architectural improvements of fermi are not seen realized until now.

Uhhh...if you say so. :thumbsup;?