AMD's CEO Dirk Meyer to leave company - CONFIRMED!!!!

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sawtx

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In almost all benchmarks. It's pretty sad when amd's 260 dollar flagship gets slapped around by Intel's "Mainstream" 229 dollar Quad core

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=203

Order of magnitude means being 10 times faster, the biggest gap in those benches is 53% which is nowhere near being a magnitude faster. Yes the gap is significant (~20% on average) and AMD needs to lower the price but it is not worth using hyperboles.
 

Idontcare

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i see exactly one bench where AMD is behind by an order of magnitude

and that's only a doubling of performance, not really an order of magnitude.

An order of magnitude is 10x more.

Order of magnitude means being 10 times faster, the biggest gap in those benches is 53% which is nowhere near being a magnitude faster. Yes the gap is significant (~20% on average) and AMD needs to lower the price but it is not worth using hyperboles.

Why do you guys keep harping on "10x == order of magnitude" when the dude you are quoting said nothing at all about "order of magnitude"?

Does not compute.
 

sawtx

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Why do you guys keep harping on "10x == order of magnitude" when the dude you are quoting said nothing at all about "order of magnitude"?

Does not compute.

Yes he did, he specifically said:

"SB is much faster than anything AMD currently makes, sometimes by an order of magnitude."

Edit: The second guy I quoted didn't specifically say order of magnitude, though it was implied, but the guy I originally quoted did (SickBeast).
 
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Idontcare

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Yes he did, he specifically said:

"SB is much faster than anything AMD currently makes, sometimes by an order of magnitude."

I didn't see it, obviously, I just saw you guys repeatedly quoting the same post that makes no mention of it.

Yeah, order-of-magnitude hasn't happened except maybe in some corner-cases of rather poorly compiler-optimized codepaths.
 

Castiel

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Yeah guys. I never said anything about order of magnitude . All I said was that sb was faster
 

sawtx

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Yeah guys. I never said anything about order of magnitude . All I said was that sb was faster

In all fairness you did reply to me asking for a benchmark showing an order of magnitude difference with the Anandtech benches and said "In almost all benchmarks."

Is SB faster than an X6, without a doubt, and I don't think anyone would argue with that.
 

bryanW1995

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Meyer has only been CEO for two years, so he had nothing to do with them not making enough money during the good times. Also if that was the reason, and in some ways it sounds credible, then why would he leave suddenly without a replacement lined up?
Instead of looking for a new CEO they should be looking for someone to take them over. Assuming that x86 isn't 'dead' then there should be plenty of buyer's and if it is 'dead' well then this isn't really important.

you mean like ATIC?
 

bryanW1995

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He is a good friend . About 2 weeks ago . I said this in another topic the other day . Today wasn't the first time.

that's awesome that you have these mysterious inside sources at high tech companies. I've got one, too. We'll call him "jen son hung". He told me the other day that his company was going to pull out some whoop ass on samsung.
 

Idontcare

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you mean like ATIC?

I'll quote myself from the post I made in the same thread over in VC&G:

I don't know about ATIC...hard to see the opportunity for synergy to come from an acquisition like that (versus ATIC just become a majority shareholder through standard market actions)...but I could definitely see this being a case where AMD has been tendered an offer from some existing big-name IDM but Dirk steadfastly and in no uncertain terms said no (internally) but the BoD wants the offer to be considered/pursued/negotiated so they told Dirk "step-up or get out of the way" and Dirk elected to get out of the way post-haste.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/bits/2010/10/07/amd-denies-oracle-buyout-rumour/1

I bet Oracle wanted to buy AMD nearly coincident to their acquisition of SUN...and possibly they still want to but Dirk was blocking the negotiations.

Funny how AMD has a big push to blogosphere everything...exactly what Ellison lamented about in regards to SUN.

http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2010/05/13/oracles-ellison-sun-execs-were-astonishingly-bad-managers/

Ellison says Sun’s management “made some very bad decisions that damaged their business and allowed us to buy them for a bargain price.”

He had harsh words for the way former Sun CEO Jonathan Schwartz and former Chairman Scott McNealy ran their company. “The underlying engineering teams are so good, but the direction they got was so astonishingly bad that even they couldn’t succeed,” Ellison said. “Really great blogs do not take the place of great microprocessors. Great blogs do not replace great software. Lots and lots of blogs does not replace lots and lots of sales.”

I see parallels to AMD, and I firmly believe Oracle is/was trying to buy AMD. That Dirk has suddenly resigned suggests to me that he was blocking it, or the deal fell through and the BoD is super pissed at Dirk's role in the situations outcome.
 

cotak13

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Why would oracle buy AMD? Honestly, Sun made sense for a company that already sold a lot of middle/server ware. That way they can sell the servers and OS too providing the hardware is decent. And in many data centers big SUN iron is still doing the heavy lifting.

This: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/di...nvolved_in_AMD_CEO_s_Resignation_Sources.html

Is a much better analysis I think.

For Oracle to buy AMD makes little business sense. They would be expanding suddenly into business areas they aren't familiar with.

As for ATIC, they already own part of AMD. Also there's very little hope that politically ATIC buying AMD would be acceptable.
 
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piesquared

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Yes it does sound like the board basically forced him out. I swear if BD is junk, we as consumers are in big trouble.

well, it really doesn't matter how BD turns out, if people keep turning a blind eye to intel's viral marketing and rewarding them for being crooks. Fuck intel and microsoft. my next purchase will be arm.
 

OBLAMA2009

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ever since core 2 intels had really good stuff out. i dont think amd can catch up with them at this point, with late, underperforming products. it sad
 

bryanW1995

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Why would oracle buy AMD? Honestly, Sun made sense for a company that already sold a lot of middle/server ware. That way they can sell the servers and OS too providing the hardware is decent. And in many data centers big SUN iron is still doing the heavy lifting.

This: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/di...nvolved_in_AMD_CEO_s_Resignation_Sources.html

Is a much better analysis I think.

For Oracle to buy AMD makes little business sense. They would be expanding suddenly into business areas they aren't familiar with.

As for ATIC, they already own part of AMD. Also there's very little hope that politically ATIC buying AMD would be acceptable.

amd is MUCH stronger in commercial/server than they are in consumer desktop sales. It's possible, maybe even probable, that oracle would kill or spin off the consumer desktop/gpu divisions. maybe they would actually start to compete with nvidia in the professional market, however.
 

nyker96

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I personally dislike oracle acquisition of AMD, they are not consumer oriented, for end user, it's not a great thing. They will most likely use AMD to make them competitive in server market which I could care less about. But what I do care is that AMD might become non existent or much less competitive in the consumer space which means higher prices and the return of incredible high CPU prices from Intel.
 

Martimus

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I personally dislike oracle acquisition of AMD, they are not consumer oriented, for end user, it's not a great thing. They will most likely use AMD to make them competitive in server market which I could care less about. But what I do care is that AMD might become non existent or much less competitive in the consumer space which means higher prices and the return of incredible high CPU prices from Intel.

I doubt Intel will return to incredibly high CPU prices on the consumer end, since there is far more profit to be made in the lower price bracket. What I do expect would be for there to be more price differential based on removing features from chips to allow Intel to maximize the profit on each chip. I also expect progress to slow to just new instructions with minor speed bumps with no competition. Of course this will allow other competitors (such as ARM) to catch up to Intel in a few years (maybe a decade), so maybe this wouldn't be a bad thing in the long run for consumers. (Although it would be a bad thing for Intel in the long run if they do indeed stagnate based on a lack of competition.)
 

cbn

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...-mutual-agreement-with-board-shares-fall.html

AMD Seeks New CEO Who Can Challenge Intel, Tackle Tablet-Computer Market
By Ian King - Jan 11, 2011 6:44 AM PT

Interim AMD CEO Thomas Seifert

Thomas Seifert, interim chief executive officer of Advanced Micro Devices Inc. Source: Advanced Micro Devices Inc. via Bloomberg
Auriga's Berenbaum on AMD CEO Resignation

Jan. 10 (Bloomberg) -- Dan Berenbaum, an analyst at Auriga USA LLC, talks about the resignation of Advanced Micro Devices Inc. Chief Executive Officer Dirk Meyer, and a long-term, cross-license agreement between Intel Corp. and Nvidia Corp. AMD, the second-biggest seller of processors for personal computers, said Meyer resigned and will be replaced by finance chief Thomas Seifert as interim CEO. Berenbaum speaks with Pimm Fox and Julie Hyman on Bloomberg Television's "Taking Stock." (Source: Bloomberg)
Meyer Ousted as AMD Seeks to Tackle Tablet Market

Jan. 11 (Bloomberg) -- Advanced Micro Devices Inc. is looking for a leader to replace ousted Chief Executive Officer Dirk Meyer who can do a better job combating Intel Corp. and getting chips into new devices. Bloomberg's Deirdre Bolton reports in today's Movers & Shakers. (Source: Bloomberg)
Former Advanced Micro Devices CEO Dirk Meyer

Former Advanced Micro Devices Chief Executive Officer Dirk Meyer. Photographer: Andrew Harrer/Bloomberg

Advanced Micro Devices Inc. is looking for a leader to replace ousted Chief Executive Officer Dirk Meyer who can do a better job combating Intel Corp. and getting chips into new devices.

Under Meyer, directors were frustrated with AMD’s lack of progress in gaining market share and entering the tablet- computer industry, according to people familiar with the board’s deliberations. The company announced yesterday that Meyer has resigned and that it’s formed a committee to find successor.

“They need a visionary,” said Hans Mosesmann, an analyst at Raymond James & Associates in St. Petersburg, Florida. He has a “market perform” rating on AMD stock. “They need someone who has the passion to disrupt the market.”

The next CEO will continue a 40-year struggle to escape from the shadow of Intel, the world’s largest chipmaker. AMD has less than 20 percent of the global personal-computer processor market, compared with Intel’s 80 percent, and its revenue in 2009 of $5.4 billion was a seventh of Intel’s.

AMD -- founded in 1969, a year after Intel -- replaced the 49-year-old Meyer with Chief Financial Officer Thomas Seifert, who will serve as interim CEO. Seifert, 47, has bowed out of contention for the permanent job.

AMD fell 55 cents, or 6 percent, to $8.64 at 9:42 a.m. in New York Stock Exchange composite trading. The shares tumbled 15 percent last year.

‘Path to Ruins’

The power vacuum isn’t likely to make the company vulnerable to a takeover, said Daniel Berenbaum, an analyst at Auriga USA in New York.

“I don’t see any natural acquirer,” said Berenbaum, who recommends selling the stock. “It’s pretty clear their product road map still lags Intel and their execution lags Intel.”

Another possible impediment to a deal: The government of Abu Dhabi owns a 15 percent stake in AMD.

Meyer, who succeeded Hector Ruiz as CEO in 2008, reduced debt and stemmed losses. The Sunnyvale, California-based company also resumed delivering chips on schedule after earlier product delays cost AMD orders.

“Two years ago, they were in significant trouble,” said Patrick Wang, a New York-based analyst at Wedbush Securities. He has a “neutral” rating on the shares. “The company was on a path to ruins. What they’ve done since then is phenomenal.”

In addition to stepping down as CEO, Meyer resigned from the board. The move capped a 15-year career at AMD, following stints at Intel and Digital Equipment Corp. His departure wasn’t the result of any specific financial or legal matter, said Drew Prairie, an AMD spokesman.

Galleon Case

Ruiz left AMD in 2009 to become chairman of a spinoff called Globalfoundries Inc., which was formed out of the company’s manufacturing operations. He later was linked to the Galleon Group LLC insider-trading case, a person familiar with the matter said in October 2009. Government prosecutors found that he provided nonpublic information on the transaction that created Globalfoundries, the person said. Ruiz wasn’t named in government papers and wasn’t charged.

Analysts were surprised at Meyer’s exit, just two years into his term as CEO. Meyer represented AMD at a press conference last week at the Consumer Electronics Show, where he faced questions about the company’s strategy for cracking the tablet market. The success of Apple Inc.’s iPad has increased pressure on AMD to field a chip for tablet devices. The iPad relies on a mobile-phone processor with ARM Holdings Plc technology.

Acceleration Demanded

Meyer said there was plenty of room for AMD to grow in laptops, and that tablets wouldn’t cannibalize those sales.

Company directors wanted to see quicker results.

“The board believes we have the opportunity to create increased shareholder value over time,” AMD said in a statement yesterday. “This will require the company to have significant growth, establish market leadership and generate superior financial returns. We believe a change in leadership at this time will accelerate the company’s ability to accomplish these objectives.”

At a board meeting several months ago, Meyer and his team presented a strategic plan that the directors decided wasn’t going to bring the changes needed fast enough, said people familiar with the discussions. They asked to remain anonymous because the board’s meetings are private.

“My blood will always be green,” Meyer said yesterday in an e-mailed statement, referring to the color of AMD’s logo. “I wish the company well as AMD focuses successfully on the road ahead.”

AMD posted declining sales in three of the previous four years. Analysts estimate that revenue climbed about 20 percent in 2010.

Whoever replaces Meyer is going to have to do more than take on Intel, said Raymond James’s Mosesmann. To enter the tablet market, it will have to compete with mobile-phone chipmakers, including Qualcomm Inc., Texas Instruments Inc. and Broadcom Corp.

“The battle now changes -- it’s not just Intel,” he said. “The board of directors has a huge challenge.”

To contact the reporters on this story: Ian King in San Francisco at ianking@bloomberg.net

To contact the editor responsible for this story: Tom Giles at tgiles5@bloomberg.net
 
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OBLAMA2009

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ruiz was incompetent, but id hoped meyer would bring amd up to speed since he was an engineer, but theyre falling farther behind at the moment
 

exar333

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AMD will have the better integrated graphics when they finally get around to bringing it out, but intel will have more pure CPU power.

They are getting pounded by NV right now on mobile GPUs (due to Optimus) and also in CPUs. Really, the only good spot right now for AMD is discrete GPUs which are less and less relavent these days.

If BD is not that great, Intel will continue to steal lucrative buiness on the server side away from AMD. SB-based Xeons will gain marketshare, and Ivy-Bridge Xeon's will annhiliate anything AMD has left.
 

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I'll quote myself from the post I made in the same thread over in VC&G:

I don't know about ATIC...hard to see the opportunity for synergy to come from an acquisition like that (versus ATIC just become a majority shareholder through standard market actions)...but I could definitely see this being a case where AMD has been tendered an offer from some existing big-name IDM but Dirk steadfastly and in no uncertain terms said no (internally) but the BoD wants the offer to be considered/pursued/negotiated so they told Dirk "step-up or get out of the way" and Dirk elected to get out of the way post-haste.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/bits/2010/10/07/amd-denies-oracle-buyout-rumour/1

I bet Oracle wanted to buy AMD nearly coincident to their acquisition of SUN...and possibly they still want to but Dirk was blocking the negotiations.

Funny how AMD has a big push to blogosphere everything...exactly what Ellison lamented about in regards to SUN.

http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2010/05/13/oracles-ellison-sun-execs-were-astonishingly-bad-managers/





I see parallels to AMD, and I firmly believe Oracle is/was trying to buy AMD. That Dirk has suddenly resigned suggests to me that he was blocking it, or the deal fell through and the BoD is super pissed at Dirk's role in the situations outcome.


IDC, that's some very logical thinking there.

As I said in the other thread yesterday: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=31055131#post31055131 ; I would probably give 80% chance of AMD ceasing to be an independent entity within 12 months. There are just too many obstacles for AMD to compete in mobile formfactors by themselves, and still have time to come out with a credible form factor against some rather entrenched players in the sector. And AMD is a company too rich in IP and engineering talent to not be on the radar of some M&A activities of these bigger entities.
 

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They are getting pounded by NV right now on mobile GPUs (due to Optimus) and also in CPUs. Really, the only good spot right now for AMD is discrete GPUs which are less and less relavent these days.

Your statement is contradicting to me. Optimus is not a game changer at all. If you look at it, AMD has been dominating in Discrete mobile GPU's.. where as Nvidia is losing ground. Nvidia has been maintaining its share in desktop parts though.

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20101102PR201.html
 

notty22

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Its a little of everything. The current moves and positive press coming out of Intel and Nvidia, make the mediocrity at AMD more obvious. imho

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/amd-momentum-jolted-by-ceos-abrupt-exit-2011-01-11?dist=afterbell
“It is possible the board’s position is that AMD is behind in mobile computing and has poorly executed in server and Fusion,” Berger wrote in a note. “If so, we think the board wants to ‘have its cake and eat it too,’ as it expects AMD to generate growing and material cash flow while also investing meaningfully in necessary R&D efforts.”

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The analyst argued that “without a leader or clear strategic vision, [AMD] shares will likely move lower until some clarity is achieved. All things being equal, we could become constructive on AMD shares near $6.”
AMD Clashed With CEO

Advanced Micro Devices Inc.'s board was concerned for nearly a year that Chief Executive Dirk Meyer wasn't doing enough to get the chip maker into markets for newer mobile devices, according to people familiar with the matter.
 
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