AMD's CEO Dirk Meyer to leave company - CONFIRMED!!!!

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GaiaHunter

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It seems more and more to be related to expanding into mobile markets tather than any problems with the 2011 line up.

But can they do it while fighting Intel on the x86 market?
 

Wreckage

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I saw that, but the AMD BoD obviously knew this long before CES.

What really changed at CES was 1.) Big Windows (and Office) on ARM 2.) Project Denver

I would also imagine Tegra just about everywhere, hurt a bit. Especially after they sold off their mobile unit so cheaply. It seems like they could have had their own version of Tegra at CES this year (or even last year) had they not sold out to Qualcomm.
 

cbn

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It seems more and more to be related to expanding into mobile markets tather than any problems with the 2011 line up.

But can they do it while fighting Intel on the x86 market?

Even Intel doesn't seem to be spending so much money on x86 for mobile. They have bought Software companies and Infineon wireless units, but they still are putting atom on 45nm for 2011.
 

Idontcare

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I would also imagine Tegra just about everywhere, hurt a bit. Especially after they sold off their mobile unit so cheaply. It seems like they could have had their own version of Tegra at CES this year (or even last year) had they not sold out to Qualcomm.

The part of this line of thinking (which many have espoused) that doesn't sit right with me is that it fails to account for the reality of the financial situation that existed at the time within AMD.

AMD was in dire need of stemming the cash bleed at the time. Without supreme confidence that tablets and the mobile sector was going to take off, AMD had the harsh reality of knowing that every dollar spent on an engineer working on a mobile chip was one less dollar they had to spend on developing products for their main lines of business (CPU's and GPU's in consumer and server marketspace).

It is easy for us to say with hindsight they chose poorly, but at the time, with the data they had available, their choice to sell and raise cash asap was logical and necessary for the company to remain solvent.

At the time Intel had recently spun-off their mobile division (the non-x86 part)...if Intel didn't want a peice of that pie then what argument would Dirk have to convince the BoD that AMD should stick with it and spend less on Bulldozer?
 

Dribble

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The part of this line of thinking (which many have espoused) that doesn't sit right with me is that it fails to account for the reality of the financial situation that existed at the time within AMD.

AMD was in dire need of stemming the cash bleed at the time. Without supreme confidence that tablets and the mobile sector was going to take off, AMD had the harsh reality of knowing that every dollar spent on an engineer working on a mobile chip was one less dollar they had to spend on developing products for their main lines of business (CPU's and GPU's in consumer and server marketspace).

It is easy for us to say with hindsight they chose poorly, but at the time, with the data they had available, their choice to sell and raise cash asap was logical and necessary for the company to remain solvent.

At the time Intel had recently spun-off their mobile division (the non-x86 part)...if Intel didn't want a peice of that pie then what argument would Dirk have to convince the BoD that AMD should stick with it and spend less on Bulldozer?

The problem with this way of working is you're never going to come anything but second. Part of the reason AMD are where they are is they just don't see to have the ability to see the future and be first there. They are stuck in traditional markets bringing out traditional products. Even in their innovations (fusion) they were beaten too it by competitors.

AMD were/are well setup to compete in both nvidia's new markets of high end compute (until nvidia arrived with telsa most super computers just contained opterons, now they are loosing out) and tegra (AMD had the technology first). Instead of pushing forwards they've retreated, given up those markets and concentrated on trying to survive on their piece of a slowly shrinking traditional x86 pie.

tbh if AMD had the much maligned Jen-Hsun Huang at the helm with his aggressive win-whatever-it-takes attitude AMD would probably be a much stronger company now.
 

mizzou

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Maybe this is a good thing, im tired of having my cpu go obsolete so soon. No competiion = less $in r&d
 

exar333

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Your statement is contradicting to me. Optimus is not a game changer at all. If you look at it, AMD has been dominating in Discrete mobile GPU's.. where as Nvidia is losing ground. Nvidia has been maintaining its share in desktop parts though.

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20101102PR201.html

Not really. AMD's mobile GPU tech is inferior to NV's right now. I probably could have been more clear I was not talking about sales. Power management is absolutely important, and you will see AMD's marketshare shrink this year because of that. If you read a lot of the CES articles, mobile GPUs by NV dominated the event for 2011 models. SB/NV mobiles will be the product to get in 2011. As for 'discrete' GPUs (desktop) AMD is the leader right now, hands-down. NV is catching up, but AMD has a lead here. To say AMD's mobile GPU offerings are better in terms of power usage and battery life is completely ignorant.
 

Wreckage

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The part of this line of thinking (which many have espoused) that doesn't sit right with me is that it fails to account for the reality of the financial situation that existed at the time within AMD.

AMD was in dire need of stemming the cash bleed at the time. Without supreme confidence that tablets and the mobile sector was going to take off, AMD had the harsh reality of knowing that every dollar spent on an engineer working on a mobile chip was one less dollar they had to spend on developing products for their main lines of business (CPU's and GPU's in consumer and server marketspace).

It is easy for us to say with hindsight they chose poorly, but at the time, with the data they had available, their choice to sell and raise cash asap was logical and necessary for the company to remain solvent.

At the time Intel had recently spun-off their mobile division (the non-x86 part)...if Intel didn't want a peice of that pie then what argument would Dirk have to convince the BoD that AMD should stick with it and spend less on Bulldozer?

In the tech industry it's generally "diversify or die". I'm starting to wonder if AMD chose the latter. Firing their CEO is merely a distraction from much larger problems.
 

busydude

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AMD's mobile GPU tech is inferior to NV's right now.

Inferior in what way? If you were referring to optimus technology, I agree that NV tech is better when it comes to switchable graphics. Both are looking extremely competitive in this gen.

To say AMD's mobile GPU offerings are better in terms of power usage and battery life is completely ignorant.

Wow, where you get that from? I never said anything about performance.. I just talked about market share and optimus did little to strengthen its position.

If you read a lot of the CES articles, mobile GPUs by NV dominated the event for 2011 models. SB/NV mobiles will be the product to get in 2011.

Yes, I did read.. and in terms of design wins.. there is nothing much to compare, both AMD and Nvidia seemed to have similar design wins.
 
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Idontcare

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The problem with this way of working is you're never going to come anything but second.

Divestment is a legitimate business strategy.

If the "problem" with divestment were that "you never come to anything but second" then it would not have the merit and credulity it has amongst business leaders and their investors.

I think a lot of people here have extremely short-term memories and have entirely forgotten just how dire things were inside AMD right before GloFo was spun off and AMD sold everything they could to raise cash quick.

In fact until AMD settled and got $1B from Intel there were plenty of compelling business stats painting a bankruptcy picture for AMD when their 2012 notes came due.

Now that isn't to say that poor leadership decisions aren't to blame for AMD finding themselves in the position of needing to adopt a divestment strategy for survival. This much I totally agree and if Dirk had a critical role in the decisions that led to K10's delays as well as the process tech delays then his actions deserve to be rewarded just as they have been.

Personally my bigger concerns for AMD have more to do with what I see in the tea leaves from Dirk leaving so abruptly. Obviously this wasn't the BoD's decision to have him leave without a transition period, this was Dirk's decision. So what got Dirk so riled?

What could the BoD possibly be planning at AMD that was so unacceptable, so absurd, that Dirk felt he simply could not and would not spend a single day being associated with the transition that the BoD wants to accomplish?

Dirk's no dummy, something not good for AMD in Dirk's opinion is being cooked up by the BoD and what's not good for AMD can't be good for us consumers either...
 

Soulkeeper

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Maybe somebody should contact Dirk on facebook/myspace and ask for his side of the story!

Don't all these "celebrities" use social networking sites now ?
 

Martimus

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Divestment is a legitimate business strategy.

If the "problem" with divestment were that "you never come to anything but second" then it would not have the merit and credulity it has amongst business leaders and their investors.

I think a lot of people here have extremely short-term memories and have entirely forgotten just how dire things were inside AMD right before GloFo was spun off and AMD sold everything they could to raise cash quick.

In fact until AMD settled and got $1B from Intel there were plenty of compelling business stats painting a bankruptcy picture for AMD when their 2012 notes came due.

Now that isn't to say that poor leadership decisions aren't to blame for AMD finding themselves in the position of needing to adopt a divestment strategy for survival. This much I totally agree and if Dirk had a critical role in the decisions that led to K10's delays as well as the process tech delays then his actions deserve to be rewarded just as they have been.

Personally my bigger concerns for AMD have more to do with what I see in the tea leaves from Dirk leaving so abruptly. Obviously this wasn't the BoD's decision to have him leave without a transition period, this was Dirk's decision. So what got Dirk so riled?

What could the BoD possibly be planning at AMD that was so unacceptable, so absurd, that Dirk felt he simply could not and would not spend a single day being associated with the transition that the BoD wants to accomplish?

Dirk's no dummy, something not good for AMD in Dirk's opinion is being cooked up by the BoD and what's not good for AMD can't be good for us consumers either...

This worries me too. Especially since Dirk Meyer has shown that his decisions and actions are grounded in reasonableness. He understands the process on a whole of product development, and if he sees some major problems on the horizon for the Boards vision, then I would put my faith in him over the board that let Hector Ruiz make completely unreasonable decisions for years.

I feel less inclined to purchase an AMD product now, so that I feel a better chance at future support for that product. But I hope to be proven wrong here.
 

Voo

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Personally my bigger concerns for AMD have more to do with what I see in the tea leaves from Dirk leaving so abruptly. Obviously this wasn't the BoD's decision to have him leave without a transition period, this was Dirk's decision. So what got Dirk so riled?

What could the BoD possibly be planning at AMD that was so unacceptable, so absurd, that Dirk felt he simply could not and would not spend a single day being associated with the transition that the BoD wants to accomplish?

Dirk's no dummy, something not good for AMD in Dirk's opinion is being cooked up by the BoD and what's not good for AMD can't be good for us consumers either...
Well the way I read the articles it sounded more like the BoD wanted to get rid of him than the other way around. And if they wanted a dramatic change in the direction they're taking and had already a successor planned, why wait several more months?
 

Idontcare

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And if they wanted a dramatic change in the direction they're taking and had already a successor planned, why wait several more months?

Because it is highly irregular and simply irresponsible of a BoD to do this to a company of this size that is public.

There is a reason wall street expects these transitions to occur in a pre-defined way.

Deviation from that smooth transition path is nearly always a harbinger of something more sinister afoot, and shareholders suffer for this expectation (as do the employees).

The BoD knows this, there is no way they could all be ignorant of this, so I refuse to accept the notion that this was part of their master plan.

If it is/was then the BoD is setup perfectly for a shareholder lawsuit.
 

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What could the BoD possibly be planning at AMD that was so unacceptable, so absurd, that Dirk felt he simply could not and would not spend a single day being associated with the transition that the BoD wants to accomplish?

Buyout/Corporate Takeover
 

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Because it is highly irregular and simply irresponsible of a BoD to do this to a company of this size that is public.

There is a reason wall street expects these transitions to occur in a pre-defined way.

Deviation from that smooth transition path is nearly always a harbinger of something more sinister afoot, and shareholders suffer for this expectation (as do the employees).

The BoD knows this, there is no way they could all be ignorant of this, so I refuse to accept the notion that this was part of their master plan.

If it is/was then the BoD is setup perfectly for a shareholder lawsuit.

Why must it be sinister? People here are way too into speculation.

Remember Carly Fiorina was also fired without a replacement on hand and it was all simply due to dissatisfaction with her performance.

The situation could have simply been the board asking for a change in direction, the CEO not agreeing, result in a power struggle in which the board wins and at that point do you want what is now a dissatisfied employee around who has great potential to do harm? Course not, you give them a box and tell security to escort them out.
 

RussianSensation

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A good write-up at Xbitlabs on why Meyer was possibly booted.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/di...nvolved_in_AMD_CEO_s_Resignation_Sources.html

Basically it comes down to being uncompetitive in smartphone/tablet markets and in the mobile sector as a whole. A lot of us build desktops, but really it's a market with little to not long-term growth. However, the smartphone/tablet/mobile space will continue to grow significantly. Looks like AMD has nothing to offer product wise for those segments.
 

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Perhaps Nvidia's entry into the ARMs race has made AMD panic. Maybe there is more to NV's announcement than we know. If AMD and Intel have been sitting on their laurels while NV was creating a superior architecture, things could get interesting.
 

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Not sure how the AMD board expected a sudden entry into tablets and smaller devices. Intel sold off their ARM business because the gross margins were too low for them. AMD was following atom into single watt x86 territory. They had tried to trailblaze with the Geode series but AMD just doesn't have the OEM clout to pull it off without Intel giving the nod.

Guess we'll see if the AMD boards high hopes for ultra mobile platforms pans out as quickly as they think it can. I'm pretty skeptical for the time being.
 

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It would have been interesting to hear what the BoD thought about "Project Denver". Are they worried about it? The announcement seems to have caught everyone by surprise.
 

cbn

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It would have been interesting to hear what the BoD thought about "Project Denver". Are they worried about it? The announcement seems to have caught everyone by surprise.

Definitely Nvidia would try to position that in some way to lower AMD's ASPs.

P.S. What do you think about Nvidia trying to use that chip to develop some type of Large Screen Console Computer along with Google?
 

Dribble

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It would have been interesting to hear what the BoD thought about "Project Denver". Are they worried about it? The announcement seems to have caught everyone by surprise.

There's been rumours about nvidia working on a CPU for years. I suspect AMD/Intel have had a reasonable idea what they were up to for a while now. Intel must have known very well since the settlement between them and nvidia was specifically done so they couldn't block Denver.
 

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With so many people licensing and producing ARM chips, it's understandable why AMD and even Intel don't bother with it, at least in the Smart Phone market. I like the fact they're working on integrating video into their processors. Why? Consoles.

The PC has always had the ability to act as a console, but it lacked 2 things, which was an OS that made it easy to run games via disc only and video. By video, I mean the lowest end video which usually ran 3D games like crap. With advanced graphics built into chips, a decent standard of visual quality can be set and programmed for and that could very well limit the appeal of a console system over a PC.

As for tablets, the low power processors that Intel and AMD are working on seem to be headed in the right direction and with Intel helping on Moblin, AMD needs to make sure they're helping on a tablet compatible OS.

Otherwise, AMD needs to improve their Linux driver support, OpenCL/Direct Compute/Stream support, and get their Professional 3D drivers performing better.
 

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Is this a coincidence? Yes and no...

No because it's no secret to anyone that AMD hasn't been doing well financially these past years.

Yes because AMD knows this and also knows what financial results it will post come January 20th for Q4 2010, and as such has positioned itself to lesser the blow of its falling share price come the announcement. They're hoping that investors will interpret this as "we know we're doing bad but hey look, we've taken measures to curb the bad aura around AMD by kicking out the CEO and replacing him with someone who will return wealth and glory back to AMD". I wouldn't be surprised if they announce the new CEO prior to January 20th.
 
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