AMD's Feldman says ARM processors have some advantages over x86 chips

[Idontcare]

Analogies serve a vital role in the process of communicating and sharing ideas among people who have disparate backgrounds and perspectives.

Teachers use analogies to build conceptual bridges for students between what is familiar (an analog concept) and what is new (a target concept). The Teaching With Analogies Model (e.g., see Glynn, 1995, p. 27) includes these 6 steps: (1) Introduce the target concept, (2) Review the analog concept, (3) Identify relevant features of the target and analog, (4) Map similarities, (5) Indicate where the analogy breaks down, and (6) Draw conclusions.

http://www.coe.uga.edu/twa/

We are neither teachers nor students with respect to one another here in this community; rather, we are colleagues who come from so many different walks of life that we may as well be speaking different languages at times.

Analogies help bridge that gap by leveraging concepts that are nearly universally shared or understood.

Almost all of us eat, sleep, change our clothes, yearn to practice in the arts of procreation, and navigate the planet by some means of motorized horseless carriage. Providing plenty of fertile ground for analogies and metaphors as we aim to communicate with one another on the generalized topic of computer science.

What's not to like?

 

[Imouto]

I said car analogies and they're dumb 99.9% of the time. And no offense but regular people have no clue about cars. The vast majority don't even know how to drive a manual transmission car... if they even manage to get it started.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

This is so very true. I had the "luxury" of having access to a supercomputer once, time allocated to me and a bunch of my fellow lab mates to run computational chemistry experiments.

Cool. Do you remember which it was? I've been immersed in supercomputers for the last two weeks so I'm curious.

Car analogies are almost as annoying as people quoting walls of text for a single "agreed" or "+1".

This post is like a rusty Yugo slamming into the back of a Ford Pinto station wagon.

 

[blackened23]

I said car analogies and they're dumb 99.9% of the time. And no offense but regular people have no clue about cars. The vast majority don't even know how to drive a manual transmission car... if they even manage to get it started.

Well, like everything else, analogies can be used to good and bad effect. The overuse of bad analogies are tiring - I agree with you. Yet in some instances they are a good learning tool as was already mentioned. How the presenter phrases and words the analogy goes a long way towards crossing the line between old and overused or actually being a good learning tool.

 

[guskline]

I rather enjoy car analogies. At 62 I still drool watching the Mecum Auto auction!

 

[guskline]

-1

A CLASSIC!:biggrin:

 

[Imouto]

Well, like everything else, analogies can be used to good and bad effect. The overuse of bad analogies are tiring - I agree with you. Yet in some instances they are a good learning tool as was already mentioned. How the presenter phrases and words the analogy goes a long way towards crossing the line between old and overused or actually being a good learning tool.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=35026056&postcount=495

See?

 

[Idontcare]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=35026056&postcount=495

See?

I think what you are trying to get at is that bad and dumb analogies are just that, bad and dumb.

They don't have to be car analogies to be dumb, or just plain wrong as can be the case sometimes.

Its like when you have a Volvo but you wanted a Peugeot, both are foreign but neither one is a Lexus per se. See, dumb and bad. I can haz charburger now?

 

[myocardia]

This post is like a rusty Yugo slamming into the back of a Ford Pinto station wagon.

Exactly, including the explosion that happens 99.9% of the time, when a Pinto gets rear-ended.

 

[zebrax2]

Questions about ARM architectural license
1.) Does ARM have free access to any ARM related IP by a architectural license holder?
2.) Does a licensee holder have access to another licensee holders ARM related IP? (e.g. the licesee can't refuse access to their IP but they could ask for royalties)

 

[Idontcare]

1.) Does ARM have free access to any ARM related IP by a architectural license holder?

There is nothing about ARM's business and licensing model that would necessarily preclude this from the outset, it would obviously come down to negotiations and the value-add propositions made on a case-by-case basis between ARM and any given license holder.

2.) Does a licensee holder have access to another licensee holders ARM related IP? (e.g. the licesee can't refuse access to their IP but they could ask for royalties)

Again there is nothing that outright precludes the possibility but I can't imagine any license holder would actually agree to such an open-ended opportunity for their competitors to gain access to, and leverage against, their own IP on the open market.

So while possible, I'd say this one it extremely unlikely to ever manifest as the outcome of a successful license negotiation.

 

[Exophase]

I think zebrax2 is asking if ARM's licensing model gives them automatic access to IP developed by the licensees, not if those licensees would be allowed to license their CPU core IP to other parties. I strongly doubt that this is the case.

 

[Wall Street]

He is talking his book. I will give you guys a hint.

Google "Seamicro"

 

[sontin]

“Bulldozer was without doubt an unmitigated failure. We know it,” Feldman said.
“It cost the CEO his job, it cost most of the management team its job, it cost the vice president of engineering his job. You have a new team. We are crystal clear that that sort of failure is unacceptable,” Feldman said.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2040...o-arm-with-new-lowpower-x86-server-chips.html


It's still ARM > AMD's Server x86 CPU. :whiste:

 

[Abwx]

Where in the article is it said that ARM is better than the newly
released low power X86 cpus wich are discussed in your link .?..

 

[krumme]

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2040...o-arm-with-new-lowpower-x86-server-chips.html


It's still ARM > AMD's Server x86 CPU. :whiste:

Thanx for link

"Server demand is growing as mobile device shipments rise and cloud deployments increase. Thousands of servers are deployed by companies like Google, Facebook and Amazon to handle the growing search, social networking and multimedia streaming requests.

“What is so important about the client side is it is driving data center, which is driving servers,” Feldman said, adding that AMD is adjusting its strategy as the server landscape changes.

"AMD hopes to fill the need for scalable servers through Kyoto, which is AMD’s first step in the low-power processor arena, Feldman said. "

"It’s an existing market segment that is growing,” McCarron said (principal analyst at Mercury Research.). “Why pass up on that business when it’s easy to address.”

 

[krumme]

I think what you are trying to get at is that bad and dumb analogies are just that, bad and dumb.

They don't have to be car analogies to be dumb, or just plain wrong as can be the case sometimes.

Its like when you have a Volvo but you wanted a Peugeot, both are foreign but neither one is a Lexus per se. See, dumb and bad. I can haz charburger now?

Thats a good analogy. I had a Volvo 940 back in the days when x86 mattered and arm was utterly unimportant - it it existed at all- hmm, and it was a damn fine car.