AMD's Fusion Trinity chip

[AtenRa]

Because that is hella expensive. They would be far better-off using separate memory controllers for the GPU and CPU portions of the die. 384-512MB of GDDR5 framebuffer on a 64-96 bit bus, anyone?

Nope, both CPU and iGPU will use the same Memory Controllers. I believe the next step will be DDR-4.

Also, Trinity can operate with up to 2133MHz memory dimms

 

[piesquared]

nm doesn't matter

 

[Joseph F]

Nope, both CPU and iGPU will use the same Memory Controllers. I believe the next step will be DDR-4.

Also, Trinity can operate with up to 2133MHz memory dimms

What utter rubbish. I would've expected more from AMD.
What happened to the times when you could get a Radeon HD 3300 with sideband memory on the motherboard?

 

[Borealis7]

when is the speculated release date? will it be up against IVB?

Trinity could be the HD4870 to the 2900XT Bulldozer. it has happened before.

 

[Soulkeeper]

correct me if i'm wrong, but I believe release estimates are like this:

early april = ivb
late may = trinity

 

[denev2004]

Or waiting until DDR4 arrives...

I just think it's better if they choose three channel...
BTW, the DDR4 remind me of all the rumours happened before the launch of HD7970, about the IMC of the GCN (rumours include: 7Gbps GDDR5, QDR, XDR 2......)

 

[AtenRa]

What utter rubbish. I would've expected more from AMD.
What happened to the times when you could get a Radeon HD 3300 with sideband memory on the motherboard?

Both CPU and iGPU needs to use the same memory controller for FSA

 

[StrangerGuy]

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/di..._17W_Trinity_Accelerated_Processing_Unit.html

according to a slide that resembles those from amd's presentations published by a web-site, amd projects trinity's piledriver x86 cores to offer up to 20% higher performance compared to husky x86 cores inside llano.

Ah yes, more ambiguous wordplay from AMD.

After the whole BD fiasco (lol "IPC will increase!") nobody should even trust anything they say about their future CPUs before actual reviews.

 

[IntelUser2000]

After the whole BD fiasco (lol "IPC will increase!") nobody should even trust anything they say about their future CPUs before actual reviews.

This isn't too unlikely though. The clocks are said to be much higher than Llano's. The TurboCore on Llano doesn't really ramp in multi-threaded scenarios.

 

[Troll Trolling]

Hope AMD can get close to Intel's memory controller:
http://techreport.com/articles.x/21255/2

Sandy, with the same memory, has about 50% more bandwidth than Llano, and much better latencies. Even with a 1866Mhz memory Llano cannot come close to it.

If they get close to Intel's effective bandwidth, about 90% according to the review I pointed, they will a lot less restricted.

 

[MrTeal]

Hope AMD can get close to Intel's memory controller:
http://techreport.com/articles.x/21255/2

Sandy, with the same memory, has about 50% more bandwidth than Llano, and much better latencies. Even with a 1866Mhz memory Llano cannot come close to it.

If they get close to Intel's effective bandwidth, about 90% according to the review I pointed, they will a lot less restricted.

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1766/4/

The memory controller in Llano was improved over the Phenoms, but it remains to be seen how much better they can make the Bulldozer MC. The FX-4100 takes a huge hit compared to the FX-8250, and is even lower than the PIIs. If memory bandwidth is like the 4 module BD, the GPU might be fine and we might even be able to use 1600 without sacrificing much performance. If it's more like the FX-4100, that would be troubling.

 

[Vesku]

Sure, three channel would be better performance-wise. But that means a more complicated and expensive cpu, more expensive motherboard, and needing 3 physical DIMMs instead of 2. Not very likely for a cost sensitive part.

As for my DDR4 comment, I am just saying it is the most likely way we will see APUs get more bandwidth. I'm not starting a rumor that any particular product will support DDR4 just that the next leap in iGPU bandwidth will probably be seen when an APU does launch with dual channel DDR4 (i.e. whatever replaces DDR3).

I just think it's better if they choose three channel...
BTW, the DDR4 remind me of all the rumours happened before the launch of HD7970, about the IMC of the GCN (rumours include: 7Gbps GDDR5, QDR, XDR 2......)

 

[Olikan]

http://www.computerbase.de/news/2012-01/amds-trinity-apu-kommt-zur-mitte-des-jahres/

in the last slide, "footnote 5".... 3:20 hours using 3d mark 06 in battery!!!

 

[Joseph F]

Both CPU and iGPU needs to use the same memory controller for FSA

Sad, sad news. AMD has taken what would be a decent entry-level product and turned it into a turd.

 

[ThatsABigOne]

I don't like the idea of charging my laptop though a Displayport.

You are smoking...

I would take something else than a DC jack. They break all the freaking time. I just fixed my mother's Toshiba A75-211 laptop for the 4th time. Sick of it.

 

[Joseph F]

You are smoking...

I would take something else than a DC jack. They break all the freaking time. I just fixed my mother's Toshiba A75-211 laptop for the 4th time. Sick of it.

What makes you think that a DisplayPort would be more durable than an old-fashioned round connector? I think it would be a lot more fragile and I don't see it as being able to handle the current required to power and charge a laptop.

 

[pc999]

Anyone knows if they will support AVX instructions?

 

[Blitzvogel]

Anyone knows if they will support AVX instructions?

Considering it's a development of the modules uses in BD, I would assume so. What drives me nuts here is AMD is avoiding the term module. Trinity is supposed to be a two module part right?

 

[pc999]

Thanks.

 

[Chiropteran]

Sad, sad news. AMD has taken what would be a decent entry-level product and turned it into a turd.

Only if you consider every other integrated graphics solution a bigger turd. Fusion is currently the best possible integrated graphics, sorry if it's not good enough for you but there is a point where spending more money to make it better gets silly. You should really just be adding a $50 video card if you need more than it offers.

 

[scannall]

Hmm, the 17w part might be just the thing I need for building a silent HTPC later this year. I plan on just a small SSD in it. It can get the content from my NAS. Now to find a case that actually looks good, and has a remote built in.

 

[Stuka87]

The trinty is on the same node as Llano right?
Its gonna be fun to see how much more performance/watt, they can acheive via design alone.
(stars->piledriver, VLIW5?->4)


also saw this:
http://www.techpowerup.com/158534/New-Windows-7-Bulldozer-Patches-Available..html

bulldozer finally got that patch, which should make it ~10% faster or so.
(which is still slow, compaired to a Intel sandy bridge, but.. should make it look better than the phenom II's atleast)

No, Llano is a 40nm chip, Trinity is a 32nm chip.

 

[AtenRa]

No, Llano is a 40nm chip, Trinity is a 32nm chip.

Nope, Llano is made at 32nm SOI HKMG, you confuse it with Bobcat that is made by TSMCs 40nm process.

 

[Stuka87]

Nope, Llano is made at 32nm SOI HKMG, you confuse it with Bobcat that is made by TSMCs 40nm process.

ooOOOoo yeah you are right. My bad

 

[frostedflakes]

http://www.obr-hardware.com/2012/01/apu-a8-trinity-tested-strong-gpu-shitty.html

OBR must be trolling us. :|