Discussion AMD's Future CPU-APU Gone ARM !!!

[soresu]

But good news for Nvidia haters, nobody is invincible ; a misstep can always happen

At this point GPU side at least it would require far more than any single misstep to loosen nVidia's hold on the market which extends far beyond consumer interests.

The introduction of Intel to the GPU market is one block in that journey, the others may be the gamut of AI/ML players entering the market, which nVidia have by their own hand kind of made all about AI - so the sheer drowning weight of new players may shift the market towards open/interoperable solutions beyond nVidia's CUDA walled garden.

If AMD could work with Intel and/or MS to make a more vendor agnostic non OptiX solution for GPU RT renderers it could also be another blow to knock nVidia down a step or several.

Right now it's too much extra work to put in to implement multiple other GPU RT backends like HIP-RT and Intel's equivalent for the lions share of offline renderer vendors without the kind of direct support that nVidia offers on top of OptiX to sweeten the deal - nVidia is essentially doing almost all of the work for them, so competitors need to band together to break into that market space as one, or stay on the sidelines as many.

 

[soresu]

And finally the next craze is Robotics where Nvidia is heavily investing now

Not really.

It's just a hardware application of AI/ML, building on the existing hardware that others like Boston Dynamics have already been working on for years.

Basically they are trying to make it all about themselves when others have already done so much of the work to get practical humanoid robotics off the ground.

 

[coercitiv]

Opens the door: oh, they're still running the Nvidia commercials. Will come back later then, though I guess the QC spot pack may be running again soon.

 

[soresu]

Opens the door: oh, they're still running the Nvidia commercials. Will come back later then, though I guess the QC spot pack may be running again soon.

Sadly it feels like one of my favourte Youtube channels "Two Minute Papers" has long since degraded into a nVidia commercial.

If he made more of an effort to highlight the academic collaboration on the work I could be more forgiving, but he doesn't, which seems especially egregious considering his own background ☹️

 

[jpiniero]

Sadly it feels like one of my favourte Youtube channels "Two Minute Papers" has long since degraded into a nVidia commercial.

Wouldn't be surprised if that's intentional to try to get clicks because of AI.

 

[soresu]

Wouldn't be surprised if that's intentional to try to get clicks because of AI.

Almost certainly is, but it's very sad all the same - it used to be a great channel to get news about fluid sim algos and light transport papers without bending over backwards to give nVidia credit in every video.

It's not like there aren't other people researching ray tracing out there without nVidia input or collaboration, but you wouldn't know it to watch that channel anymore.....

Et tu, Brute?😭

 

[branch_suggestion]

Opens the door: oh, they're still running the Nvidia commercials. Will come back later then, though I guess the QC spot pack may be running again soon.

It is the nature of every AMD thread on B3D, it ends up with NV bull theses and constant tit-for-tat.

 

[xpea]

Not really.

It's just a hardware application of AI/ML, building on the existing hardware that others like Boston Dynamics have already been working on for years.

Basically they are trying to make it all about themselves when others have already done so much of the work to get practical humanoid robotics off the ground.

Yes it's huge. They are in the infancy but they put lot of resources in this division.

BTW Boston Dynamics was a research project with no real revenue down the road (they were focused on military application first). Google took over and in their typical fashion, had no idea what to do with it, and they finally sold it to Hyundai. But the Koreans are confused too. They try to find industrial applications and changed lot of things towards this direction but now they shifted to commercial Robot. I don't see a bright future under this management...

On the other side, Nvidia robotics has a clear vision: commercial robots first, then when the cost will go down, attack the prosumer market. Both in offering new Jetson SoCs tailored for this application (instead of generic repurposed Drive SoCs) and in building platforms that can be sold to OEMs. It's the next big thing for Nvidia.

 

[xpea]

It is the nature of every AMD thread on B3D, it ends up with NV bull theses and constant tit-for-tat.

Opens the door: oh, they're still running the Nvidia commercials. Will come back later then, though I guess the QC spot pack may be running again soon.

I may be wrong but I feel these messages totally inappropriate.
By definition, a forum is a place where you exchange ideas, confront opinions and in Anandtech case, also discuss the technical solutions and merits from different parties, with courtesy and respect. A forum is not a single sided community, without any counter argument, where everyone chill for their favorite team. If you think so, then your are deeply misunderstood.
It's been nearly 10 years that I'm part of this community and the open-mind attitude is what made this forum successful and enjoyable. I wish it will continue this way for another 10 years

 

[branch_suggestion]

I may be wrong but I feel these messages totally inappropriate.
By definition, a forum is a place where you exchange ideas, confront opinions and in Anandtech case, also discuss the technical solutions and merits from different parties, with courtesy and respect. A forum is not a single sided community, without any counter argument, where everyone chill for their favorite team. If you think so, then your are deeply misunderstood.
It's been nearly 10 years that I'm part of this community and the open-mind attitude is what made this forum successful and enjoyable. I wish it will continue this way for another 10 years

Just don't admonish the topic of the thread and nobody has to get hurt. Mods here do a very good job at keeping things topical and we are all better for it.

 

[coercitiv]

It's been nearly 10 years that I'm part of this community and the open-mind attitude is what made this forum successful and enjoyable. I wish it will continue this way for another 10 years

After 10 years it may finally be the time for you to read on the forum rules and etiquette. Each thread presents forumites with a topic they should address, the title and the OP set the boundaries of the discussion. While folks are allowed to go off-topic, they are discouraged to do so because it taints the thread subject that others want to follow. Keeping the discussions on topic is not about creating safe spaces, but rather about noise reduction. After 10 years of posting on this forum, I can tell you the model works really well while allowing plenty of freedom for heated debates. The only "safe spaces" I know are the GPU sub-forums, and folks still prefer to openly discuss in the joint forum section.

If you have information to share on future Nvidia ARM products, make a thread about it. Comparisons with the competition will still be welcome there, but folks won't be allowed to hijack the thread with continuous talk about other brands.

 

[Mahboi]

It is the nature of every AMD thread on B3D, it ends up with NV bull theses and constant tit-for-tat.

And B3D is still up so why is there one of them here?
We're fine in the third dimension, no need for fourth dimension people to come and try to bend reality to their Nvidia fueled fantasies.

Edit: I've just put him on Ignore list, I hate to do that in tech spaces but I almost got banned yesterday because of him, best to not take chances

 

[xpea]

you have information to share on future Nvidia ARM products, make a thread about it.

That's what I did in the dedicated thread:

Post in thread 'What will the CPU industry marketshare look like in the future? Nvidia enters the game. The Rise of ARM?' http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...he-game-the-rise-of-arm.2619446/post-41217524

You're welcome

 

[Tigerick]

That's what I did in the dedicated thread:



You're welcome

Discussion - nVidia's ARM SoC Coming Back?

Highly Confident: When Reuter reported NV and AMD are going to launch ARM SoC for PC: Nvidia dominates the market for artificial intelligence computing chips. Now it is coming after Intel’s longtime stronghold of personal computers. Nvidia has quietly begun designing central processing units...

forums.anandtech.com

Here's the dedicated thread for NV ARM SoC, you are welcome to post any related news about NV ARM SoC there.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

After 10 years it may finally be the time for you to read on the forum rules and etiquette. Each thread presents forumites with a topic they should address, the title and the OP set the boundaries of the discussion. While folks are allowed to go off-topic, they are discouraged to do so because it taints the thread subject that others want to follow. Keeping the discussions on topic is not about creating safe spaces, but rather about noise reduction. After 10 years of posting on this forum, I can tell you the model works really well while allowing plenty of freedom for heated debates. The only "safe spaces" I know are the GPU sub-forums, and folks still prefer to openly discuss in the joint forum section.

If you have information to share on future Nvidia ARM products, make a thread about it. Comparisons with the competition will still be welcome there, but folks won't be allowed to hijack the thread with continuous talk about other brands.

Well stated.

To clarify about the safe spaces - those are vendor specific threads. Like the Intel, AMD, Nvidia, and Apple discussion and builders threads for example. Those exist so users and enthusiasts of those brands can talk about the products, services, etc. without being harrassed by what colloquially are dubbed "haters" posting flame bait and disrupting in otherwise fun and informative discussion.

And yes, this is an AMD thead. However, it is the type that invites compare and contrast as you noted. But as you also rightly alluded to, turning it into a platform to proselytize about a different vendor is disruptive and hence, not allowed.

Any talk of other vendors should be in the context of AMD as the primary subject. And the compare and contrast needs to be entirely relevant, not ancillary or tangential. Otherwise warnings and infractions will follow.

Mod DAPUNISHER

 

[DAPUNISHER]

It's been nearly 10 years that I'm part of this community and the open-mind attitude is what made this forum successful and enjoyable. I wish it will continue this way for another 10 years

That's the plan. Part of that, is not planting your flag in the wrong territory so to speak. That's how wars start. So be diplomatic is all we ask.

We all want the same thing; to discuss topics of common interests. Picking the right venue is the easiest way to ensure a receptive audience. Instead of getting booed off stage.

Mod DAPUNISHER

 

[soresu]

BTW Boston Dynamics was a research project with no real revenue down the road

Nothing works that way.

They got funding from somewhere by presenting a business plan for a loan, govmt grant or a funding round.

Every business plan has revenue projections, even if those projections are vague and over a decade in the future.

Without said projections there's nothing to entice a bank to lend, nor any investor to sink their money into it.

(I'll grant you that govmts are clearly a lot less picky looking at the past of fusion research investment prior to private parties finally dipping their toes in)

Edit: After the mod stuff above I just noticed this really isn't the thread for this kinda topic 😅

 

[ToTTenTranz]

About the ARM v. x86, the opinion that matters the most is the one from the great Midas of CPUs, grandmaster Jim Keller:

TL;DR: No, it mostly doesn't matter because the proportion of silicon that's doing the instruction decoding is now tiny and irrelevant, and so is its power consumption.

It iz very good, my friend.
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16GB RAM, though... state-of-the-art LP5X can't come cheap in price-per-GB.

And B3D is still up so why is there one of them here?

I thought it was over or at least dying very fast, which is why its users of a certain type were leaking.
But yes, all topics had to be infested with lengthy conversations on why our lord savior Nvidia was so much better than everyone else at everything in every single theme. Kind of what was being attempted here (by one of those same users nonetheless).